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Started by Moonshot_1, Wed 08, Mar 2017, 17:23:24

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Moonshot_1

Just going to let this one speak for itself for now.

Wow. If this is for real, just wow.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/08/lawmakers-probe-claim-doj-aided-iraqi-terror-suspect-days-before-november-election.html

An excerpt

Federal lawmakers are investigating the possibility that senior Department of Justice officials interfered in a terrorism probe involving a refugee just prior to the November election in an effort to deny campaign momentum to Donald Trump, Fox News has learned.

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee has launched a formal inquiry into the Texas, case, in which a terror suspect's pending arrest was allegedly spiked just over a week before the election. Trump had run on a tough-on-terror platform and had been critical of President Obama's refugee policy.

"When [Joint Terrorism Task Force] and the U.S. Attorney's office for the Western District of Texas sought to prosecute this refugee, the local law enforcement and prosecutors allegedly 'met resistance' from officials within the National Security Division's Counter Terrorism section in Washington DC," Committee chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., said in a March 6 letter to U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Patrick

I'm kinda surprised by the lack of responses. Anything like this from the previous admin doesn't surprise me.

baldo

Maybe because it lacks veracity. Sounds like BS to me.

Alpha Dog

The new Wiki Leaks reveals show how corrupt the intelligence agencies have become.  Wish I had time to list the real juicy revelations.  Doubt they are on the pravda channels. One is the CIA has a program to hack and make it look like the Russians were hacking.  Oh my.  Does that shed new light on what happened last summer.  Time may tell.  Be careful turning on that smart Samsung TV and maybe any device.

Just found this piece by Dennis Kucinich.  He is a real conservative conspiracy freak.  Oh wait he is not.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/08/dennis-kucinich-new-wikileaks-reveal-proof-are-sliding-down-slippery-slope-toward-totalitarianism.html

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:51:48
The new Wiki Leaks reveals show how corrupt the intelligence agencies have become.  Wish I had time to list the real juicy revelations.  Doubt they are on the pravda channels. One is the CIA has a program to hack and make it look like the Russians were hacking.  Oh my.  Does that shed new light on what happened last summer.  Time may tell.  Be careful turning on that smart Samsung TV and maybe any device.

Just found this piece by Dennis Kucinich.  He is a real conservative conspiracy freak.  Oh wait he is not.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/08/dennis-kucinich-new-wikileaks-reveal-proof-are-sliding-down-slippery-slope-toward-totalitarianism.html
Wikileaks has become a propaganda arm of the KGB.

Alpha Dog

Quote from: meathead on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:56:40
Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:51:48
The new Wiki Leaks reveals show how corrupt the intelligence agencies have become.  Wish I had time to list the real juicy revelations.  Doubt they are on the pravda channels. One is the CIA has a program to hack and make it look like the Russians were hacking.  Oh my.  Does that shed new light on what happened last summer.  Time may tell.  Be careful turning on that smart Samsung TV and maybe any device.

Just found this piece by Dennis Kucinich.  He is a real conservative conspiracy freak.  Oh wait he is not.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/08/dennis-kucinich-new-wikileaks-reveal-proof-are-sliding-down-slippery-slope-toward-totalitarianism.html
Wikileaks has become a propaganda arm of the KGB.

Could not be more wrong.  The new leaks came from an inside job at the CIA.  Another Snowden.

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 10:25:49
Quote from: meathead on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:56:40
Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:51:48
The new Wiki Leaks reveals show how corrupt the intelligence agencies have become.  Wish I had time to list the real juicy revelations.  Doubt they are on the pravda channels. One is the CIA has a program to hack and make it look like the Russians were hacking.  Oh my.  Does that shed new light on what happened last summer.  Time may tell.  Be careful turning on that smart Samsung TV and maybe any device.

Just found this piece by Dennis Kucinich.  He is a real conservative conspiracy freak.  Oh wait he is not.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/08/dennis-kucinich-new-wikileaks-reveal-proof-are-sliding-down-slippery-slope-toward-totalitarianism.html
Wikileaks has become a propaganda arm of the KGB.

Could not be more wrong.  The new leaks came from an inside job at the CIA.  Another Snowden.
Believe what you want. Don't you find it a little coincidental that Wikileaks never outs the Russians ?

DirtyDan

Herd on tv "for what's it's worth" that it was a inside job using Russian tools, to point the finger that way

How many emperors ( Rome ) survived by angering the Pretorian guard ?

Dan
Do it while you can. I did.... it my way

baldo

Quote from: DirtyDan on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 10:49:42
Herd on tv "for what's it's worth" that it was a inside job using Russian tools, to point the finger that way

How many emperors ( Rome ) survived by angering the Pretorian guard ?

Dan

Of that, I have no clue.....

Moonshot_1

Quote from: meathead on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 10:30:12
Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 10:25:49
Quote from: meathead on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:56:40
Quote from: Alpha Dog on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 09:51:48
The new Wiki Leaks reveals show how corrupt the intelligence agencies have become.  Wish I had time to list the real juicy revelations.  Doubt they are on the pravda channels. One is the CIA has a program to hack and make it look like the Russians were hacking.  Oh my.  Does that shed new light on what happened last summer.  Time may tell.  Be careful turning on that smart Samsung TV and maybe any device.

Just found this piece by Dennis Kucinich.  He is a real conservative conspiracy freak.  Oh wait he is not.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/08/dennis-kucinich-new-wikileaks-reveal-proof-are-sliding-down-slippery-slope-toward-totalitarianism.html
Wikileaks has become a propaganda arm of the KGB.

Could not be more wrong.  The new leaks came from an inside job at the CIA.  Another Snowden.
Believe what you want. Don't you find it a little coincidental that Wikileaks never outs the Russians ?

That would require folks in the Russian intel community leaking things to Wikileaks. I'd say perhaps no one in the Russian intel services has the balls to do so as I'm certain they would skip a trial on the matter and go directly to execution.

Basic underlying fact is that if we don't have disgruntled people willing to leak to Wikileaks, Wikileaks can't out us. 

It also showcases the problem with basing our various systems on ever more sophisticated technology.
We are just a monkey wrench away from the stone age.

An example of sorts. I work for a regional grocery store chain in one of it's distribution centers. While not automated, we do utilize sophisticated computer  systems to manage the center and company.
Things are efficient (in a relative sort of way) and run fairly well until we have even a minor power outage. This shuts down the entire system and has effects far down the line as well.

It doesn't happen often but when it does, nothing, I mean nothing, can be done. We can't even use paper and pencil to work the orders. We are in the stone age till the system comes back on line.


Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

The emperor has no clothes

You don't think the Russians can be hacked ? I'd say they are probably hacked all the time, but Wikileaks doesn't put their info out there. Maybe it is just a coincidence. That's above my pay grade.



So, you are one of those warehouse bastards that are always screwing up my orders ?  :2funny:

G-Man

Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Wed 08, Mar 2017, 17:23:24

Federal lawmakers are investigating the possibility that senior Department of Justice officials interfered in a terrorism probe involving a refugee just prior to the November election in an effort to deny campaign momentum to Donald Trump, Fox News has learned.




Not the first time.  Remember the Benghazi video?

They sent Ms. Rice on all of the morning talk shows, and Mrs. Clinton lied in front of the flag draped caskets, to the audience which included the family members of the dead, and blamed it on a video "that they knew nothing about" so that it wouldn't be perceived as failure in their foreign policies right before Obama's 2nd election.  Only a week or so before they were bragging how they have Libya under control and then BAM! 


Romeo

It used to be, in our nation, unlike Russia and the previous Soviet Union, we trusted our intelligence agencies to be above politics. The reason we did this was because back In those more innocent times, politicians knew better than to cross that line. They actually had some moral fiber, and acted in an ethical way when concerned with national security. National security was more important to them, than political power. That, my friends, has changed. Once the party n power decided to "use" the intel agencies to consolidate their power, we became much more like counties like Russia. Couple that with controlling a free and objective press, therby muzzling them from pointing out to the public what has been happening,
And what you are left with is something woefully close to being a tyranny. Most folks don't trust what the press says anymore, they don't trust the politicians, and they don't trust their fellow citizens that think differently than they do.
Thanks Mr. Obama, you did a fine job of dismantling the last great republic on the planet.
My God help us all.

Moonshot_1

Quote from: meathead on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 12:07:04
You don't think the Russians can be hacked ? I'd say they are probably hacked all the time, but Wikileaks doesn't put their info out there. Maybe it is just a coincidence. That's above my pay grade.



So, you are one of those warehouse bastards that are always screwing up my orders ?  :2funny:

Not saying the Russians cannot be hacked just that those hacking are not apparently giving hacked info to Wikileaks. I don't know if Wikileaks actually hacks or just disseminates the information given.

Generally I don't screw up orders, but when I do it is usually epic in nature. I got stories.  :laugh:
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 13:24:45
It used to be, in our nation, unlike Russia and the previous Soviet Union, we trusted our intelligence agencies to be above politics. The reason we did this was because back In those more innocent times, politicians knew better than to cross that line. They actually had some moral fiber, and acted in an ethical way when concerned with national security. National security was more important to them, than political power. That, my friends, has changed. Once the party n power decided to "use" the intel agencies to consolidate their power, we became much more like counties like Russia. Couple that with controlling a free and objective press, therby muzzling them from pointing out to the public what has been happening,
And what you are left with is something woefully close to being a tyranny. Most folks don't trust what the press says anymore, they don't trust the politicians, and they don't trust their fellow citizens that think differently than they do.
Thanks Mr. Obama, you did a fine job of dismantling the last great republic on the planet.
My God help us all.
I would refute many of your claims. If Obama had I/2 the power you figured he did, why did he let Trump win ? There are still ethical people in government. I doubt most people don't believe the press in general . Some may not, but I doubt it's even close to most.

baldo

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 13:24:45
It used to be, in our nation, unlike Russia and the previous Soviet Union, we trusted our intelligence agencies to be above politics. The reason we did this was because back In those more innocent times, politicians knew better than to cross that line. They actually had some moral fiber, and acted in an ethical way when concerned with national security. National security was more important to them, than political power. That, my friends, has changed. Once the party n power decided to "use" the intel agencies to consolidate their power, we became much more like counties like Russia. Couple that with controlling a free and objective press, therby muzzling them from pointing out to the public what has been happening,
And what you are left with is something woefully close to being a tyranny. Most folks don't trust what the press says anymore, they don't trust the politicians, and they don't trust their fellow citizens that think differently than they do.
Thanks Mr. Obama, you did a fine job of dismantling the last great republic on the planet.
My God help us all.

This thread is aptly titled.....

Romeo

Not surprising you two disagree with me. You carried the mans water for 8 years.

baldo

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 13:55:07
Not surprising you two disagree with me. You carried the mans water for 8 years.

I think you disagree with us.... :cooldude: :cooldude:

Moonshot_1

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 13:24:45
It used to be, in our nation, unlike Russia and the previous Soviet Union, we trusted our intelligence agencies to be above politics. The reason we did this was because back In those more innocent times, politicians knew better than to cross that line. They actually had some moral fiber, and acted in an ethical way when concerned with national security. National security was more important to them, than political power. That, my friends, has changed. Once the party n power decided to "use" the intel agencies to consolidate their power, we became much more like counties like Russia. Couple that with controlling a free and objective press, therby muzzling them from pointing out to the public what has been happening,
And what you are left with is something woefully close to being a tyranny. Most folks don't trust what the press says anymore, they don't trust the politicians, and they don't trust their fellow citizens that think differently than they do.
Thanks Mr. Obama, you did a fine job of dismantling the last great republic on the planet.
My God help us all.

Obviously, everyone can think what they will about these issues. Frankly, I believe Romeo grossly understates the case.

There exists a political entity, largely made up of the Democrat Party, the general media outlets, and a host of political organizations, often defined as liberal, who have been in the process of conspiring to undermine this democracy by corruption, violence, and sedition.

I know, you think, Oh God another conspiracy nut.

But I just saw a video of the previous Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, promoting resistance and suggesting to do so at the point of laying one's life down. Not to fight an enemy or unjustified government action but to fight the Constitutionally elected Government simply because they lost.

A DOJ that shook down banks and business by fining them millions and then offering to reduce the fine if they gave it to various "liberal organizations"

Reporters being under surveillance

Last minute change in the dynamics of the intel structure before leaving office.

The unprecedented barrage of media attacks against Trump during the campaign to present.
An example of the insanity: Published reports of Trump colluding with the Russians. Attributed to leaks provided by sources that say the information came from surveillance, investigations or wiretaps. Yet Trump spouts off about wire taps and the media demands proof. Well duh. I could write pages on the media subject alone. To deny they are in the tank of this Democrat led political entity is to deny reality.

The constant leaks, the willingness of the media to publish the leaks, even of classified items.

Even undermining Bernie Sanders.

The pleading of the 5th by a host of Democrat operatives.

Nationwide, coordinated "protests" of violence, riots, shouting down of political speech.

The list of things are endless.

Clearly there is a robust effort to undermine President Trump and the current government and administration. It isn't focused on any evil or efforts by this administration. It's focus is to undermine a Constitutional and duly elected President and government for the sake of their sense of their entitlement to power.  

Not sure how this will end. I believe that we will see this tackled in the means a righteous Att. General would tackle the Mob. RICO act. This is nothing short of organized crime.

Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Patrick

 Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

Romeo

The reason I put most of the blame at Obamas feet is because him winning the presidency was the crystallizing act for the far left to enact their form tyranny. The idealist youth and the fringes of our society saw in him an enlightened leader. After all, he was a man of color, finally the white oppressors were not at top of the heap. He took full advantage of that fact. Never in our history has a president divided a nation, like he purposely did. By magnifying differences in values into reasons for violent revolt, he and his cohorts turned us against each other. He used race to divide. He used class distinction to divide. He used age to divide. He thought his opposition would just give up. He was wrong.
He refused to look at the mid term and statehouse elections to gauge what folks were really thinking.
About him, and about his policies. The policies of the fringe left.
When they lost the presidency to a non politician, someone who at the same time is probably the best and worst person to hold the office, their only avenue was to try their hardest to discredit him in any and every way they could. It's all they have left to do. They so believe their way is the only way, a true sign of a tyrant, btw, they just can't accept, their party is the one on life support, not the GOP.
I just hope all the harm can be undone. I just hope it's not too late.

baldo

Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.


baldo

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:08
The reason I put most of the blame at Obamas feet is because him winning the presidency was the crystallizing act for the far left to enact their form tyranny. The idealist youth and the fringes of our society saw in him an enlightened leader. After all, he was a man of color, finally the white oppressors were not at top of the heap. He took full advantage of that fact. Never in our history has a president divided a nation, like he purposely did. By magnifying differences in values into reasons for violent revolt, he and his cohorts turned us against each other. He used race to divide. He used class distinction to divide. He used age to divide. He thought his opposition would just give up. He was wrong.
He refused to look at the mid term and statehouse elections to gauge what folks were really thinking.
About him, and about his policies. The policies of the fringe left.
When they lost the presidency to a non politician, someone who at the same time is probably the best and worst person to hold the office, their only avenue was to try their hardest to discredit him in any and every way they could. It's all they have left to do. They so believe their way is the only way, a true sign of a tyrant, btw, they just can't accept, their party is the one on life support, not the GOP.
I just hope all the harm can be undone. I just hope it's not too late.

You lost me at tyranny..... :roll: :roll:

Romeo

Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:05:23
Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:08
The reason I put most of the blame at Obamas feet is because him winning the presidency was the crystallizing act for the far left to enact their form tyranny. The idealist youth and the fringes of our society saw in him an enlightened leader. After all, he was a man of color, finally the white oppressors were not at top of the heap. He took full advantage of that fact. Never in our history has a president divided a nation, like he purposely did. By magnifying differences in values into reasons for violent revolt, he and his cohorts turned us against each other. He used race to divide. He used class distinction to divide. He used age to divide. He thought his opposition would just give up. He was wrong.
He refused to look at the mid term and statehouse elections to gauge what folks were really thinking.
About him, and about his policies. The policies of the fringe left.
When they lost the presidency to a non politician, someone who at the same time is probably the best and worst person to hold the office, their only avenue was to try their hardest to discredit him in any and every way they could. It's all they have left to do. They so believe their way is the only way, a true sign of a tyrant, btw, they just can't accept, their party is the one on life support, not the GOP.
I just hope all the harm can be undone. I just hope it's not too late.

You lost me at tyranny..... :roll: :roll:
once againthat doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Jess from VA

Nice posts Romeo. 

I read you 5 by 5.    :cooldude:

rocketray

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Gavin_Sons

Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:26
Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.



Is that Bruce Jenner with red hair?

Alpha Dog

#27
Quote from: Romeo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 13:24:45
It used to be, in our nation, unlike Russia and the previous Soviet Union, we trusted our intelligence agencies to be above politics. The reason we did this was because back In those more innocent times, politicians knew better than to cross that line. They actually had some moral fiber, and acted in an ethical way when concerned with national security. National security was more important to them, than political power. That, my friends, has changed. Once the party n power decided to "use" the intel agencies to consolidate their power, we became much more like counties like Russia. Couple that with controlling a free and objective press, therby muzzling them from pointing out to the public what has been happening,
And what you are left with is something woefully close to being a tyranny. Most folks don't trust what the press says anymore, they don't trust the politicians, and they don't trust their fellow citizens that think differently than they do.
Thanks Mr. Obama, you did a fine job of dismantling the last great republic on the planet.
My God help us all.

Give the man from Romeo five stars.  That sums it up quite nicely and is the over lying theme of what has come out.  And much, much much more is coming out.  Stay tuned.

Moonshot.  Some extraordinary points.

big d

Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 08:45:40
Maybe because it lacks veracity. Sounds like BS to me.

Of course, anything negative about your party is automatically bs. Your party can do no wrong. Keep the blinders on.

big d

Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:26
Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.



  Deflection as usual. What does his wife have to do with anything. Sad, very sad.

big d

I find it amazing, everything is automatically the Russians with no proof.

baldo

#31
Quote from: big d on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 18:30:46
Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:26
Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.



 Deflection as usual. What does his wife have to do with anything. Sad, very sad.

What am I deflecting? The fact that he's a Democrat, or the fact that she's purdy?

Talk about blinders. I mention that he has a beautiful wife, and you make it political....

Sad and sorry.

Gavin_Sons

Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 19:28:18
Quote from: big d on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 18:30:46
Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:26
Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.



  Deflection as usual. What does his wife have to do with anything. Sad, very sad.

Talk about blinders. I mention that he has a beautiful wife, and you make it political....

Sad and sorry.

I don't think she is all that attractive. Plus she is vegan and has a thing for shriveled up old men. But I guess my standards are a little higher than most.

Moonshot_1

That was not a flattering photo of the woman. Bad angle or something making a really long face. Doesn't do her justice.

This one far better.

Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Jess from VA

Someone needs to get that guy a sandwich.

baldo

Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 19:53:16
That was not a flattering photo of the woman. Bad angle or something making a really long face. Doesn't do her justice.

This one far better.



Agreed....

baldo

Quote from: big d on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 18:27:20
Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 08:45:40
Maybe because it lacks veracity. Sounds like BS to me.

Of course, anything negative about your party is automatically bs. Your party can do no wrong. Keep the blinders on.

Oh, they can do plenty wrong.....

Case in point, look who's in the Big Chair....

Ramie

Quote from: baldo on Fri 10, Mar 2017, 00:47:26
Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 19:53:16
That was not a flattering photo of the woman. Bad angle or something making a really long face. Doesn't do her justice.

This one far better.



I think she must be his Russian handler.
Agreed....
"I am not a courageous person by nature. I have simply discovered that, at certain key moments in this life, you must find courage in yourself, in order to move forward and live. It is like a muscle and it must be exercised, first a little, and then more and more.  A deep breath and a leap."

Skinhead

#38
Quote from: baldo on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 15:04:26
Quote from: Patrick on Thu 09, Mar 2017, 14:50:56
Dennis Kucinich is a pretty liberal democrat.

With a very intelligent and attractive wife, 31 years his junior.



THAT Dude must be loaded!  Is he standing in a hole?

Friendsville, TN - Troy, MI

Serk

Quote from: Skinhead on Sat 11, Mar 2017, 16:27:58
THAT Dude must be loaded!  Is he standing in a hole?

She's a vegan, so the crazy is off the chart, wouldn't be worth it...

(And he's 5'7")
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