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JimC
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« on: March 16, 2017, 10:22:25 AM »

Below is the wish list from President Trumps proposed budjet cuts. (USA Today) I have to say, I don't agree with everyone of them, BUT, if it is an all or nothing situation, I would take it all! 

Jim



He said not every program would disappear overnight. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which now receives $485 million a year, might still get some federal funding in 2018, for example. "It might take a while to unwind that relationship. It’s just the nature of contracts," Mulvaney said.

Trump's budget says hundreds of programs and agencies would be eliminated — with more than 50 in the Environmental Protection Agency. But his first budget proposal identified 62 specifically. The list:
Department of Agriculture

Water and Wastewater loan and grant program ($498 million): "Rural communities can be served by private sector financing or other federal investments in rural water infrastructure, such as the Environmental Protection Agency's State Revolving Funds," the budget says.

McGovern-Dole International Food for Education program ($202 million): Trump's budget says the program — a sort of Third World school lunch project — "lacks evidence that it is being effectively implemented to reduce food insecurity."
Department of Commerce

Economic Development Administration ($221 million): Obama's 2017 budget touted the agency as " the only federal government agency with a mission and programs focused exclusively on economic development." The Trump budget says it has "limited measurable impacts and duplicates other federal programs."

Minority Business Development Agency ($32 million): The White House says this minority business incubator program is "duplicative" of other programs in the Small Business Administration.
Department of Education

Supporting Effective Instruction State Grants program ($2.4 billion): The White House says the program is "poorly targeted and spread thinly across thousands of districts with scant evidence of impact."

21st Century Community Learning Centers program ($1.2 billion): The formula grants to states support before- and after-school and summer programs. "The programs lacks strong evidence of meeting its objectives, such as improving student achievement," the budget says.

Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant program ($732 million): This financial aid program, known as SEOG, help give up to $4,000 a year to college students based on financial need. The Trump administration says it's a "less well-targeted" program than Pell Grants.

Striving Readers Comprehensive Literacy Program ($190 million): The grants are targeted toward students with disabilities or limited English proficiency.

Teacher Quality Partnership ($43 million): A teacher training and recruitment grant program. 

Impact Aid Support Payments for Federal Property ($67 million): Obama also proposed the elimination of this program, which reimburses schools for lost tax revenue from tax-exempt federal properties in their districts.

International Education programs ($7 million): This line item funds a variety of exchange programs, migrant schools and special education services abroad.
Department of Energy

Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy ($382 million): This alternative energy research program was established by Congress in 2007 with the goal of funding projects that the private sector would not.

Title 17 Innovative Technology Loan Guarantee Program: This loan fund finances projects that combat global warming.

Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program: Helps finance fuel-efficient vehicle research. "The private sector is better positioned to finance disruptive energy research and development and to commercialize innovative technologies," the White House says.

Weatherization Assistance Program ($121 million): The program helps homeowners make their homes more energy efficient with grants of up to $6,500.

State Energy Program ($28.2 million): Gives grants to states to help them work on energy efficiency and anti-climate change programs.
Department of Health and Human Services

Health professions and nursing training programs ($403 million): Trump's budget says these programs "lack evidence that they significantly improve the nation's health workforce." Instead, Trump wants to provide scholarships and student loans in in exchange for service in areas with a nursing shortage.

Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program ($3.4 billion): LIHEAP helps the elderly and low-income people pay their heating and power bills.

Community Services Block Grants ($715 million): CSBG is an anti-poverty grant program that the White House says duplicates emergency food assistance and employment programs.
Department of Housing and Urban Development

Community Development Block Grant program ($3 billion): CDBG has been a bread-and-butter funding source for local communities for 42 years, totaling more than $150 billion in grants over its history. "The program is not well-targeted to the poorest populations and has not demonstrated results," Trump's budget says.

Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing program ($35 million): The affordable housing program supports organizations like the Local Initiatives Support Corp., which the White House says should be privately funded.
Department of the Interior

Abandoned Mine Land grants ($160 million): The Trump administration wants to eliminate a discretionary grant program that it says overlaps with a $2.7 billion permanent fund.

National Heritage Areas ($20 million): These are state-and-federal partnerships to preserve natural, historic, scenic, and cultural resources.

National Wildlife Refuge fund ($480 million): Maintains the Fish and Wildlife Service's 563 wildlife refuges throughout the country.
Department of Justice

State Criminal Alien Assistance Program ($210 million): Four states receive the bulk of the funding from this program, which reimburses states for the cost of incarcerating criminal immigrants.
Department of Labor

Senior Community Service Employment Program ($434 million): SCSEP is a job training program for low-income people 55 and older that the White House says is "ineffective."

Occupational Safety and Health Administration training grants ($11 million)
Department of State and U.S. Agency for International Development

The Global Climate Change Initiative ($1.3 billion) was an Obama administration proposal to support the Paris climate agreement. It includes the Green Climate Fund ($250 million), the Strategic Climate Fund ($60 million) and the Clean Technology Fund ($171 million).

Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund ($70 million): The account allows the president to "provide humanitarian assistance for unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs worldwide," but Trump said the mission is best left to international and non-governmental relief organizations

The East-West Center ($16 million): Chartered by Congress as the Center for Cultural and Technical Interchange Between East and West, the Honolulu-based nonprofit has a mission of strengthening relations among Pacific Rim countries.
Department of Transportation

The Essential Air Service program ($175 million) provides federal subsidies for commercial air service at rural airports. EAS flights are not full and have high subsidy costs per passenger. Trump's budget says several of those airports are close to major airports, and that rural communities could be served by other modes of transportation.

Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery grants ($499 million): The Obama-era TIGER program funded multi-modal and multi-jurisdictional projects, but the White House wants to cut existing infrastructure spending in favor of his own $1 billion infrastructure proposal.
Department of the Treasury

Community Development Financial Institutions grants ($210 million): Trump's budget says the 23-year-old program to support community banks and credit unions is obsolete.
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Geographic watershed programs ($427 million) like the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative ($40 million) and the Chesapeake Bay Restoration Initiative ($14 million): The Trump budget would turn over responsibility for those efforts to state and regional governments.

Fifty other EPA programs ($347 million) including Energy Star, Targeted Airshed Grants, the Endocrine Disruptor Screening Program, and infrastructure assistance to Alaska Native Villages and the Mexico border.
National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Office of Education ($115 million), which the Trump budget says duplicates efforts by the agency's Science Mission Directorate.
Independent agencies and commissions

African Development Foundation ($26 million): An independent foreign aid agency focusing on economic development in Africa.

Appalachian Regional Commission ($119 million): A 52-year-old agency focused on economic growth in 420 counties.

Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board ($11 million): The agency was created by the Clean Air Act of 1990 and investigates chemical accidents.

Corporation for National and Community Service ($771 million): The agency is best known for its Americorps community service program.

Corporation for Public Broadcasting ($485 million): Supports public television and radio stations, including the PBS television network and, indirectly, National Public Radio.

Delta Regional Authority ($45 million): An economic development agency for the eight-state Mississippi Delta region.

Denali Commission ($14 million): A state and federal economic development agency for Alaska.

Institute of Museum and Library Services ($231 million): Provides money to the nation's 123,000 libraries and 35,000 museums.

Inter-American Foundation ($23 million): Promotes "citizen-led grassroots development" in Latin America and the Caribbean.

U.S. Trade and Development Agency ($66 million): Promotes U.S. exports in energy, transportation, and telecommunications.

Legal Services Corp. ($366 million): A 43-year-old congressionally chartered organization that helps provide free civil legal advice to poor people.

National Endowment for the Arts ($152 million): Encourages participation in the arts.

National Endowment for the Humanities ($155 million): Supports scholarship into literature and culture.

Neighborhood Reinvestment Corp. ($175 million): Better known as Neighborworks America, the organization supports local affordable housing programs.

Northern Border Regional Commission ($7 million): A regional economic development agency serving parts of Maine, New Hampshire, New York and Vermont.

Overseas Private Investment Corp.($63 million): Encourages U.S. private investment in the developing world.

U.S. Institute of Peace ($40 million): Government-run think tank focusing on conflict prevention.

U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness ($4 million): An independent agency coordinating the federal government's efforts to reduce homelessness.

Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars ($11 million): A program to provide scholarships and fellowships in social sciences and humanities.

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 11:41:07 AM »

On the one hand he giveth...on the other he taketh away.
Nice thought, just like securing the borders vs left wing judges...however that swamp is full of Vipers and Gators that have Umpteen Unions guarding their swamp critters, but more important, guarding themselves and their vested interests.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 12:42:36 PM »

On the one hand he giveth...on the other he taketh away.
Nice thought, just like securing the borders vs left wing judges...however that swamp is full of Vipers and Gators that have Umpteen Unions guarding their swamp critters, but more important, guarding themselves and their vested interests.
Speaking of vested interests...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-16/trump-adviser-carl-icahn-lobbies-for-rule-change-that-benefits-icahn

Mwahaha!!   Evil
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 02:19:45 PM »

I love the cuts.  Bring them on.   cooldude cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2017, 02:22:45 PM »

Dinosnake, of course you pick an absolute left wing nut job like Bloomberg b.s. news organization if you can call it that. I feel bad for you. Keep bashing and hating as usual.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2017, 02:27:44 PM »

On the one hand he giveth...on the other he taketh away.
Nice thought, just like securing the borders vs left wing judges...however that swamp is full of Vipers and Gators that have Umpteen Unions guarding their swamp critters, but more important, guarding themselves and their vested interests.
Speaking of vested interests...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-16/trump-adviser-carl-icahn-lobbies-for-rule-change-that-benefits-icahn

Mwahaha!!   Evil

So the policy is supposed to be to only suggest rule changes that undermine your industry and insures your demise?

How does that make any sense?

I would think if someone has good ideas to improve an industry and make it better it should improve the lot of everyone including the guy who comes up with the ideas.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 02:39:06 PM »

As numerous and significant as those cuts are, they still aren't even a drop in the bucket.

The National Debt is so far out of control that even if all of those cuts were applied directly to the deficit it wouldn't even make a dent.

I came up with a total of  $21,164,200,000.00 for the cuts.

The National debt as of 3PM Eastern Time today was at:  $ 19,918,280,650,600

Check out the National Debt Clock:

  http://www.usdebtclock.org

The last 6 digits climb faster than the .00 does at the gas pump when we fill up our Valks (now it's Valk related).


So,

$19,918,280,650,600
     - $21,164,200,000
_____________________
$19,897,116,450,600

Don't misunderstand me I am all for budget cuts and I applaud President Trump for proposing them.

The problem is that there aren't enough things to cut that  will allow us to eliminate the National Debt.

We also need to generate more income.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans understand this.

They just don't agree on how to do it.

The Democrats see raising taxes as the only way.

The Republicans feel that stimulating the economy will generate more income (I tend to agree).

One thing is certain: if the National Debt is allowed to continue climbing unchecked we are headed for total economic collapse.

No person or corporation could continue running up tis kind of debt and survive.

Neither can our nation.

Sooner or later someone is going to call in the note.  
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2017, 02:56:25 PM »

IF and I mean IF I read correctly nowhere on the proposed spending cuts did I see Any foreign aid listed-well a small amount of foreign aid. ANY Country that has a good economy going for them or ANY Country that Even Hints they wanna take us-U S of A-out should have their funding cut last week. WHY on earth would Any administration fund folks that take great delight or see it as their "religious" duty to kill AMERICANS. Turn off the money faucet NOW to Any regime that hates us! Could NOT be any simpler. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 03:03:53 PM »

I know that some of this stuff Obama is not responsible for but I think what amazes me the most is the changes that Obama has done to almost every sector of government. What also amazes me is we have not heard about it. I think Trumps administration is about unwinding the snake that Obama has made of things.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 04:17:12 PM »

I see lots of places to cut and foreign aid is a big one as in funding for the UN. They don't like us, cut the cord an let them take care of themselves. Just like a teenager getting money from Dad,why work I get free money. Same thing, other countries  get lots of free money and run with it.

i sure don't like seeing people starve and suffer in other countries but it's happening here also. Just think, if there was no USA what would they do then?
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 01:19:12 AM »

This has to be like Christmas for these vermin in Washington. They're finally getting the chance to axe all those nasty programs that have been in their crosshairs all these years. I especially like the part about cutting Meals on Wheels, because it's 'the compassionate thing to do'....

I'm not saying there isn't some trimming to do, but you don't use a chain saw to do it.

Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...

And let's not forget that wall that Mexico was going to pay for......cutting Big Bird and Habitat for Humanity helped out on that. Because that was just one of his lies and guess what, it's coming out of our pockets, to the tune of $4.1 Billion (with a B).

How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/?utm_term=.9e20a9dbc9a3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.d03107d80db9

http://www.nature.com/news/us-science-agencies-face-deep-cuts-in-trump-budget-1.21652

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520401246/trumps-budget-plan-cuts-funding-for-arts-humanities-and-public-media
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2017, 04:21:26 AM »

Compassion AND wisdom, you can't eat art

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2017, 04:23:56 AM »

While I applaud most of the tax cuts for different reasons you do realize that it will not make a real difference, right?

Why do we have a Federal Reserve when its NOT in the constitution

Why do we not print our own money like we are constitutionally mandated to do?

Why are we arguing over cuts and programs when it would not matter and all programs could be fully funded and the US would not be in debt.

Why do we allow the distribution of paper as money, and then allow banks to say you owe us more paper on loans guaranteed by you the American people? What happens if they CALL this DEBT?

The statement was made once if we could tax the Federal Reserve a (private institution) at .0006 percent we could wipe out all national debt.

Why arguably did we loose presidents over this and why was tarp originally stopped and then Congress 24 hours later approved it.

Why do we allow the government to allow counterfitting?

How can you repay the national debt if you are repaying it with debt? We are not free, we are slaves wouldn't it be nice to be free?
To not argue among ourselves over the financing of programs and what will our children inherit as for debt.

13 year old girl Victoria Grant explains Extreme Corruption the cause of Extreme Poverty Governments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwsLWtGsXGM

For Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

Central banking criminal scandal exposed - Godfrey Bloom speech in European Parliament 21.05.13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyaSOTXW9lU


The power to create additional money from thin air is to be reserved solely to the central bank, which would vastly increase its power and leave credit and money creation in the hands of a few unelected central planning bureaucrats.

I believe all, liberals and conservatives want the same thing, a good life for everyone but if you are left fighting over shrinking pennies its hard to provide on this desire.


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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2017, 05:14:58 AM »

This has to be like Christmas for these vermin in Washington. They're finally getting the chance to axe all those nasty programs that have been in their crosshairs all these years. I especially like the part about cutting Meals on Wheels, because it's 'the compassionate thing to do'....

I'm not saying there isn't some trimming to do, but you don't use a chain saw to do it.

Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...

And let's not forget that wall that Mexico was going to pay for......cutting Big Bird and Habitat for Humanity helped out on that. Because that was just one of his lies and guess what, it's coming out of our pockets, to the tune of $4.1 Billion (with a B).

How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/?utm_term=.9e20a9dbc9a3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.d03107d80db9

http://www.nature.com/news/us-science-agencies-face-deep-cuts-in-trump-budget-1.21652

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520401246/trumps-budget-plan-cuts-funding-for-arts-humanities-and-public-media


Country is 20 trillion in debt. The chain saws should have been out and running at 10 trillion.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2017, 05:44:09 AM »

This has to be like Christmas for these vermin in Washington. They're finally getting the chance to axe all those nasty programs that have been in their crosshairs all these years. I especially like the part about cutting Meals on Wheels, because it's 'the compassionate thing to do'....

I'm not saying there isn't some trimming to do, but you don't use a chain saw to do it.

Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...

And let's not forget that wall that Mexico was going to pay for......cutting Big Bird and Habitat for Humanity helped out on that. Because that was just one of his lies and guess what, it's coming out of our pockets, to the tune of $4.1 Billion (with a B).

How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/?utm_term=.9e20a9dbc9a3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.d03107d80db9

http://www.nature.com/news/us-science-agencies-face-deep-cuts-in-trump-budget-1.21652

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520401246/trumps-budget-plan-cuts-funding-for-arts-humanities-and-public-media


i still feel great about pulling that lever. Thanks for asking.  cooldude 
Why would we cut defense money? We should triple our defense, A successful country starts with a safe country.
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2017, 05:49:11 AM »

The problem spending debt rather than cash is the problem with multipliers. Every one dollar you spend on any program, social or what ever you need to earn 3 dollars to repay the loan. This is where we are today in the US. We spend money we don't have incur this multiplier and then we can never get out of debt.

The debt is 13.6 trillion, we need 40 trillion just to get out of this debt if it froze today.

 As a country we are not broke but not far from it and in poor shape financially.  The middle class is shrinking because more are loosing ground and how much can we expect the middle class to pay. We incur this money multiplier when paying the money back.

  We pay double sometimes triple interest also, we pay what is owed the banks for interest built into the money and we pay back the new inured debt. So its a double whammy or multiplier that keeps us on a treadmill.

How does it make good sense to pay for immigrants, social programs, government, government programs when we incur this multiplier and don't have the money?

No one is wanting to see anyone suffering but other than the Federal Reserve, NO ONE can print money from nothing.

Change the system and we can change the US.

 I wish we could all come to terms with this, that the government has failed at almost every program they have run.

That the politicians cannot be trusted to even run the government.

And that we unite to shrink government, balance the budget, throw out the Federal Reserve and downsize the IRS.

Social Security was supposed to be a fiduciary account, interest earned and paid that was supposed to keep the system running. We look and see its colossal failure.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2017, 06:00:38 AM »

I too am lever happy.  Someone that ran that is doing precisely what he said he would do.  If the arts and big bird are worthy they will stand on their own.  I myself could never see funding art of someone pissing on Jesus.  

What is going to be interesting is that for my lifetime Repubs have ran on these issues in some small or large matter.  Now it will be fun to see them scurry when it actually affects their district and they say we can not do that.  Oh months ago they said Trump was not a real conservative.  Then we find out he may be the most conservative in our lifetime.   Reagan also talked about these matters, but did not get as far as he would like with the Dems in control of the houses.  We will see if the Repubs in control will have the courage,  I really doubt they will, most like to talk a good game.

The real elephant though is the so called entitlements and pervasive attitude by large amounts of people that feel they are owed a living.  I am not talking about the seniors but the youth.  Sooner or later this will blow up.  We have unfunded liabilities on the books of over 125 trillion and that is astronomical.

As far as military spending,  when O took over it was somewhere around 4.6 percent of the GDP.  His last year it was in the low 3 percent range.  Under Kennedy it was at 10 percent.  Under Trumps plan it will go back up over 4 percent but still at modern time low or moderate range.

Everybody wants something but they want the other person to pay for it.  Good grief.
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2017, 06:43:00 AM »

...
Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
...
How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
...

Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.

Baldo, my friend, it occurs to me that you haven't the faintest idea of what hell is or its purpose.   Wink

As for that wall for which Mexico was going to pay, they already are, you know.  There have been decisions made to keep industry in the U.S. that was scheduled to be moved to Mexico.

Incidentally, baldo, besides taxes what have you given to your country?  Where did you serve?  I'm a bit hard core but my belief is that if a  person criticizes without contributing he is just one among the "entitled" masses.  I tend to disregard those criticisms.
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2017, 06:56:08 AM »

I feel great about pulling that lever.  cooldude
And It never occurred to me that hell had any "special" places Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2017, 07:25:54 AM »

I too am lever happy.  Someone that ran that is doing precisely what he said he would do.  If the arts and big bird are worthy they will stand on their own.  I myself could never see funding art of someone pissing on Jesus.  

What is going to be interesting is that for my lifetime Repubs have ran on these issues in some small or large matter.  Now it will be fun to see them scurry when it actually affects their district and they say we can not do that.  Oh months ago they said Trump was not a real conservative.  Then we find out he may be the most conservative in our lifetime.   Reagan also talked about these matters, but did not get as far as he would like with the Dems in control of the houses.  We will see if the Repubs in control will have the courage,  I really doubt they will, most like to talk a good game.

The real elephant though is the so called entitlements and pervasive attitude by large amounts of people that feel they are owed a living.  I am not talking about the seniors but the youth.  Sooner or later this will blow up.  We have unfunded liabilities on the books of over 125 trillion and that is astronomical.

As far as military spending,  when O took over it was somewhere around 4.6 percent of the GDP.  His last year it was in the low 3 percent range.  Under Kennedy it was at 10 percent.  Under Trumps plan it will go back up over 4 percent but still at modern time low or moderate range.

Everybody wants something but they want the other person to pay for it.  Good grief.
It is worth learning / remembering the truth, the truth that people actually voted against: more jobs have historically been created under Democratic presidents than Republican

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-14/manufacturing-jobs-rise-under-democratic-presidents

But history has a frequent habit of being dismissed once emotional judgements are considered more important than facts
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2017, 07:30:34 AM »

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Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
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How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
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Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.

Baldo, my friend, it occurs to me that you haven't the faintest idea of what hell is or its purpose.   Wink

As for that wall for which Mexico was going to pay, they already are, you know.  There have been decisions made to keep industry in the U.S. that was scheduled to be moved to Mexico.

Incidentally, baldo, besides taxes what have you given to your country?  Where did you serve?  I'm a bit hard core but my belief is that if a  person criticizes without contributing he is just one among the "entitled" masses.  I tend to disregard those criticisms.


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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2017, 07:40:00 AM »

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Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
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How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
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Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.

Baldo, my friend, it occurs to me that you haven't the faintest idea of what hell is or its purpose.   Wink

As for that wall for which Mexico was going to pay, they already are, you know.  There have been decisions made to keep industry in the U.S. that was scheduled to be moved to Mexico.

Incidentally, baldo, besides taxes what have you given to your country?  Where did you serve?  I'm a bit hard core but my belief is that if a  person criticizes without contributing he is just one among the "entitled" masses.  I tend to disregard those criticisms.

So, in your view, anyone that hasn't served in the military, is somehow 'less than'?

Nice try.
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2017, 07:55:17 AM »

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Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
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How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
...

Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.

Baldo, my friend, it occurs to me that you haven't the faintest idea of what hell is or its purpose.   Wink

As for that wall for which Mexico was going to pay, they already are, you know.  There have been decisions made to keep industry in the U.S. that was scheduled to be moved to Mexico.

Incidentally, baldo, besides taxes what have you given to your country?  Where did you serve?  I'm a bit hard core but my belief is that if a  person criticizes without contributing he is just one among the "entitled" masses.  I tend to disregard those criticisms.

So, in your view, anyone that hasn't served in the military, is somehow 'less than'?

Nice try.


That was not what he said at all. And "Nice try" at what???
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2017, 08:07:05 AM »

Even with the "cutting wildly with an axe" budget that's proposed (And will never pass) we're still just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Once again, this looks like two drunks arguing over a bar tab on the Titanic with an iceberg dead ahead.


MASSIVE cuts are needed. Not trimming, but most federal agencies need to be eliminated.

If that were to actually happen I would be out of a job, but I'd be okay with that, I'd find work elsewhere, and with a much healthier and sustainable nation to leave for my children.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2017, 08:20:12 AM »

Even with the "cutting wildly with an axe" budget that's proposed (And will never pass) we're still just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Once again, this looks like two drunks arguing over a bar tab on the Titanic with an iceberg dead ahead.


MASSIVE cuts are needed. Not trimming, but most federal agencies need to be eliminated.

If that were to actually happen I would be out of a job, but I'd be okay with that, I'd find work elsewhere, and with a much healthier and sustainable nation to leave for my children.

Well said, Serk. You're right about this crazy budget proposal not passing in anything like it's current form. It sickens me that some of these proposals are even made.

And we would all be better off with a more efficient, prosperous nation. But not just for the fat cats, but for everyone. I don't see that at all with this bunch.
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2017, 08:22:26 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2017, 08:24:06 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.

LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE !

Oh wait, he's from there isn't he?  What are the odds?
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2017, 08:31:00 AM »

So, in your view, anyone that hasn't served in the military, is somehow 'less than'?

Nice try.  

My view is that it is the responsibility  of very male American to serve either in the military, the Peace Corps, or some other meaningful substitute.  I'm not sure I would use "less than" but one who chose not to serve is in my opinion one who has sidestep his responsibility and has less credibility in criticism.

I'm not sure what you meant by "Nice try."  I wasn't actually trying anything.  I was simply expressing my position.  If that was the try you referenced I think I did that clearly.

Oh, the impeachment?  I'm not certain what crime you've seen but it appears you're anxious to have Mike Pence become president?  Perhaps you'll have the opportunity to support that effort in about seven years.   Wink
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2017, 08:32:33 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.

LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE !

Oh wait, he's from there isn't he?  What are the odds?

Yeah  what are the odds he would show up at that precise time?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2017, 08:37:07 AM »

So, in your view, anyone that hasn't served in the military, is somehow 'less than'?

Nice try.  

My view is that it is the responsibility  of very male American to serve either in the military, the Peace Corps, or some other meaningful substitute.  I'm not sure I would use "less than" but one who chose not to serve is in my opinion one who has sidestep his responsibility and has less credibility in criticism.

I'm not sure what you meant by "Nice try."  I wasn't actually trying anything.  I was simply expressing my position.  If that was the try you referenced I think I did that clearly.

Oh, the impeachment?  I'm not certain what crime you've seen but it appears you're anxious to have Mike Pence become president?  Perhaps you'll have the opportunity to support that effort in about seven years.   Wink

'Nice try' was like you just said. A marginalization of anyone you feel hasn't done what you think they should have done. Again, your opinion and you're welcome to it.

We'll just have to see about impeachment. There's so much drama flying around Washington right now, something will eventually come to ground.

And as far as Pence. Like I've said before, I don't want him in the Big Seat. At least trump. as a seat filler, is never boring. Pence is just as off the charts as trump, only cagier.
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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2017, 08:38:19 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.

LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE !

Oh wait, he's from there isn't he?  What are the odds?

Yeah  what are the odds he would show up at that precise time?  Roll Eyes

Careful, that's bordering on tin-foil hat talk.....
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2017, 09:22:42 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.

LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE !

Oh wait, he's from there isn't he?  What are the odds?

Yeah  what are the odds he would show up at that precise time?  Roll Eyes

The odds are one in Obama, which are quite high odds.  Just ask Lynch
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2017, 09:25:48 AM »

Obama Unexpectedly Arrives in Honolulu

This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.

LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE !

Oh wait, he's from there isn't he?  What are the odds?

I believe he's called himself the Senator from Illinois.

I was born in Hawaii too. I'm from Iowa.
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 09:48:34 AM »


There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.


Reminds me of another cackling hen...........

Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2017, 10:02:42 AM »

Tin foil hat talk ?........or potty mouth.....

A special place in hell for whom ?

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2017, 10:31:35 AM »

George Cloony must be livid his wife who is telling things as they are

 
George Clooney’s Muslim Wife Breaks with Hollywood, “Don’t Let ISIS Get Away With Genocide!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_5cr6w3E0s
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2017, 11:27:56 AM »

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Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
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How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
...

Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.


 cooldude cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2017, 11:31:42 AM »


There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.


Reminds me of another cackling hen...........

Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary

 coolsmiley


Actually the quote was "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women"
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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2017, 11:55:38 AM »


There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.


Reminds me of another cackling hen...........

Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary

 coolsmiley


Actually the quote was "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women"

Her non-apology makes it very clear "Women who don't vote for Hillary" was who she was referring to...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/opinion/madeleine-albright-my-undiplomatic-moment.html
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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2017, 11:58:02 AM »

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Good times if you're in the defense biz, no cuts there, no siree...
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How do you like them apples? Still feel good about pulling that lever?

There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
...

Yes, I'm pleased with the choice I made, even more so now.  Whenever the Executive makes a choice of which I am not particularly in favor I just remember that he's not Hillary Clinton and it could be much worse.

Baldo, my friend, it occurs to me that you haven't the faintest idea of what hell is or its purpose.   Wink

As for that wall for which Mexico was going to pay, they already are, you know.  There have been decisions made to keep industry in the U.S. that was scheduled to be moved to Mexico.

Incidentally, baldo, besides taxes what have you given to your country?  Where did you serve?  I'm a bit hard core but my belief is that if a  person criticizes without contributing he is just one among the "entitled" masses.  I tend to disregard those criticisms.

So, in your view, anyone that hasn't served in the military, is somehow 'less than'?

Nice try.


No, just anyone who hasn't served in the world's greatest Navy  cooldude

That's a jab at the Marines Baldo if you didn't catch it. Inside Joke amongst those who served  Grin
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