home owner wins

[98valk]

http://lawnewz.com/video/masked-intruders-killed-by-ar-15-wielding-homeowner/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/28/three-burglars-entered-an-oklahoma-home-the-owners-son-opened-fire-with-an-ar-15-deputies-say/?utm_term=.dd6abd837b6f&wpisrc=nl_&wpmm=1#comments

[da prez]

  Good on him. Saves the expense of a trial. If you do not want to get shot , do not do stuff that will get you shot.

                                              da prez

[Oss]

I am not clairvoyant but my guess would be someone was dealing drugs and someone else found out about it and thought there could be easy pickins

They thought wrong

No sympathy for someone who breaks into a house (let alone wearing a mask)

Hope the homeowners son shuts the hell up

[old2soon]

Talking with my Brother and my next door neighbor-Nam Vet-abut this incident and tween the three of us can't seem to raise much sympathy for the young men that got their dumb asses killed. Play stupid games win even stupider prizes. Evan-saw a news clip of the neighborhood where it took place. NOT a slum by any stretch of anyone's imagination. Oh and according to what  the news-A B C-stated that same crew had hit that house before. The gal in the gitawaycar said the first robbery wouldn't pay her rent.  RIDE SAFE.

[gordonv]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

[Hooter]

Knife to a gun fight. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

[Robert]

3 people and one in a getaway car wow, a regular syndicate and they dont know if it had been tied to other break ins in the area. Sorry it had to be this way but the results were necessary and justified.

[Tx Bohemian]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with meathead (hard for me to believe too!).
Being very interested in this story (and others like it) I read all the articles I can about it. But never saw where there was only one shot fired. (It'd make it one heck of a story if true though)
This is a quote from one of the articles posted here "The shots seemed to shatter the day like a thunderstorm, one neighbor told CBS affiliate KOTV-TV."

IMO this is not going to be over for the homeowners.  It's not like in the movies where the good guys blow away all the bad guys and all is good, then the hero gets the hot girl and ride off into the sunset.
The homeowners will probably be cleared of wrong doing by law (unless there is some underlying issue like drug dealings between them) but then the civil suits will start.
You know, the perps were misunderstood and on the verge of turning their lives around, going to start college to become A/C repairmen...

Or possibly retaliation from the family(s).

Again this is just my opinion, maybe I watch too much TV!!

[da prez]

 Yes , or like that one in Texas (?). Home owner shoots burglar in forced entry after warning. Kills him inside home. Caught on video. Mama runs up and says , My boy has been robbing homes for years and no one has ever killed him before.   D U H .

              If you do not want to get shot robbing places , stay out of those places.

                                                     da prez

[old2soon]

IF memory serves this has happened in Oklahoma before with decent results for the shooter. IF story reported correctly they were in black clothing and masks. And again-we ARE talkin bout Oklahoma here. Had this happened in a demoncrap stronghold-Well we KNOW the preordained outcome. RIDE SAFE.

[DirtyDan]

THREE guys ONE shot ? That's like.......WOW

DAN

[Jess from VA]

THREE guys ONE shot ? That's like.......WOW

DAN

Even if they line up for you, that's going to take more than an AR 5.56.  More line a 338 Lapua Mag.

[MP]

The woman car driver ADMITTED she was the " brains" behind it!

[gordonv]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

OK, I read this,

“Upon making entry to the home one of the residents fired a rifle striking all three of the suspects,”

As being the resident, fired a rifle, as fired a shot. Not as shot the intruders.

I wish the resident the best, and hope all is well in the end.

[MP]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

OK, I read this,

“Upon making entry to the home one of the residents fired a rifle striking all three of the suspects,”

As being the resident, fired a rifle, as fired a shot. Not as shot the intruders.

I wish the resident the best, and hope all is well in the end.

Don't believe.     Fired a rifle.        Is only singular.



I went to the range today, and fired a rifle.

You think I only fired one shot?   

[98valk]

http://americangg.net/dead-criminals-family-complains/


Schumacher complains that it wasn’t a fair fight and his grandson didn’t have a chance to defend himself… while breaking into another man’s home and attempting to rob him. “Brass knuckles against an AR-15, come on, who was afraid for their life,” he continued.

Zach Peters has not, and will not be charged with a crime for a justified shooting of three armed intruders and Schumacher is furious. “There’s got to be a limit to that law, I mean he shot all three of them; there was no need for that,” said Schumacher.

[Alpha Dog]

http://americangg.net/dead-criminals-family-complains/


Schumacher complains that it wasn’t a fair fight and his grandson didn’t have a chance to defend himself… while breaking into another man’s home and attempting to rob him. “Brass knuckles against an AR-15, come on, who was afraid for their life,” he continued.

Zach Peters has not, and will not be charged with a crime for a justified shooting of three armed intruders and Schumacher is furious. “There’s got to be a limit to that law, I mean he shot all three of them; there was no need for that,” said Schumacher.

Maybe there will be a limit on the amount of intruders that get shot when the intruders limit themselves in numbers.  Put that on his tombstone

[da prez]

  That goes right up there with my former post.  Where is it written that there are rules of engagement in a home invasion. If you do not want to get shot , stay out of places that you can get shot in.
  I was a martial arts instructor for a lot of years , and when I had my own schools , I pushed survival fighting. There is no such thing as dirty fighting. It is survival. CHOOSE TO SURVIVE OR CHOOSE TO SUBMIT.  The boy (man) with the rifle chose to survive. The parents of the three should be ashamed of them selves. Lets reverse the situation and see if they feel the same. It is easy to say how wrong it is to have your family killed while doing a crime.  DO  NOT  DO  THE  CRIME.

                                            da prez

[Willow]

http://americangg.net/dead-criminals-family-complains/


Schumacher complains that it wasn’t a fair fight and his grandson didn’t have a chance to defend himself… while breaking into another man’s home and attempting to rob him. “Brass knuckles against an AR-15, come on, who was afraid for their life,” he continued.

Zach Peters has not, and will not be charged with a crime for a justified shooting of three armed intruders and Schumacher is furious. “There’s got to be a limit to that law, I mean he shot all three of them; there was no need for that,” said Schumacher.

The grandfather missed a point.  If I understand the Oklahoma Castle Doctrine, the resident is does not need to prove fear of his life to defend his home.  Specifically the resident is presumed to be in fear of his life when anyone enters his home unlawfully.

That said, there is another victim not normally referenced.  The shooter will live his life with memories of being forced to take another's life.

[John Schmidt]

In the article it said "he fired upon them" which to me indicates more than one round. Regardless, if all else is above board and there's no back story re. their entry, then kudos to the shooter. But I agree with Willow, that's going to take a looong time to move to the back of the young man's memory. He'll carry that with him for life.

[Jess from VA]

Yes, there is no winner here.  There is a survivor.

The Castle doctrine is a good thing, but do not forget that generally speaking, 3 on 1 can be considered a deadly threat, even unarmed.  And these perps were armed, and it was their second time in the home that day.  When you carry arms during your burglary, the reasonable person may assume you intend to use them if you feel you need to (or why carry them?), and the applicable State criminal code generally authorizes higher sentencing for burglary armed, than burglary unarmed.  This is why many professional burglars never carry anything that can be considered an arm (though they can often find a good butcher knife in the kitchen).

The article does not say whether any were shot in the back (or the front), but it is much better that all burglars are shot in the front.  This is not an ironclad rule, but when you are in the driver's seat with a good semiauto firearm, you are far better off with the police and grand jury considering your case that perps are front-shot, and inside the home (and armed). 

And I'll bet the mastermind out in the car was greatly surprised to learn of the felony murder rule.

[MP]

And, Jess, she needed you as lawyer. She admitted to being the "brains", such as it is, behind the robberies! Idiot!

[Jess from VA]

Thanks Mel, but I don't need the work. 

I had enough people hire me AFTER their big confession, doing it on video, and/or bragging about it to numerous witnesses.  It's really no fun when the game starts with a 98% handicap.

I wanna take the stand.

Why the hell not;  maybe that will make them sorry for you (cause you are definitely a sorry person).

[Bighead]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

What difference how many shots fired? Shoot until no one is standing!!!!!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

What I hate about this article, is how there was this big shooting with an AR. There was 1 fricking shot, not what I call shooting.

There was 3 intruders struck with that one shot. They must have gotten what they came for after breaking down the door.

I took it differently. I'm not sure how many shots he fired, but it sounded like more than one.

What difference how many shots fired? Shoot until no one is standing!!!!!!

Not much, but if he was able to kill 3 with one bullet that would be pretty amazing.

[Bighead]

I have seen two with one shot many times, but as I said shoot til no one is left standing!!!!

[0leman]

Like "da prez", I took and taught Martial Arts in my younger days.  Some of the folks I taught self-defense to were ladies who help abused and battered women.  One of the hardest thing was get them in the mind set that if they were not get hurt they had to stop the other person anyway they could.  If that meant taking out their eyes, that is what you do.   No half way measures was going to stop some man who want to hurt you.

as said many times above the guy from Broken Bow had every right to shoot these three adults (I know all of them weren't over 18).   He was out numbered, they did have weapons, and he had no idea of their ages due to mask.  Not that the later would make any difference.   I do agree he will have to live with shooting these young folks the rest of his life. 

[old2soon]

No recriminations here. Some of y'all have stated and you are correct that the young man that killed the 3 perps WILL have to live with this the REST of his LIFE. Had the 3 perps gotten the upper hand we Would have been reading a Much Different news story. Anyone here remember Robert Blake as Berretta? Opening line went something like this-Don't do the Crime if ya can't do the time. I'm Sure that those 3 were NOT planning on dying that day. They may have been ready to do someone else hurt and/or injury. We Will NEVER know for certain what their motive(s) were. We Do KNOW that those 3 perps Will NEVER do that again. High price for stupidity? Yes-Without Question. Maybe some other would be robbers have received a message. One can hope and PRAY that others will NOT swallow the stupid pill washed down by the idiot drink.  BUT we as Humans KNOW better-cuz even After those 3 are in the ground Someone Somewhere will be goaded into the pill and the drink. RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

Dennis.
Agreed. It is called deference. They believe they can do all this crap, and nothing happens.

If a LOT more of them were carried out by the coroner, eventually some of them might say NOPE. I like my ass!