What is the Deal!

[dreamaker]

I got totally floored today!  I went out this morning, I heard of a coffee shop the recently opened down the road and I wanted to check them out.  So, I got there, and as I was getting my coffee I heard someone called my name.  It was a gut we use to meet from time to time for coffee.  He was sitting with a couple guys and asked me to sit down and we introduced each other. The two guys were may be mid 30’s so we got talking in general.  Well of course it always gets to current events, myself I tend to be an on the fence kind of a guy, I like facts as much as possible, and not here say.  We got talking about how silly things are being handled these days, and I got in to the discussion of strategies of distractions to avoid the reality of things.  So, I used the example of the Trojans Horse strategy for comparison. The one guy stopped me, and asked me, “What does a Condom have to do with Strategy?”  I looked at everybody thinking and waiting for everyone to start laughing, but they looked at me waiting for an answer.  For a second, I was speechless and my brain seemed to go blank. Realizing, the two young guys were for real, I explained about Troy and the Trojan’s Horse to them.  SO MY POINT IS, WHAT DO THEY TEACH PEOPLE IN SCHOOL THESE DAYS!!  You bring up a point about history or myths and they think you are talking about condoms!  Boy did I get blindsided!!  Am I that much of a fossil, Should I recycle my brain?  WOW!

[dragonslayer]

Over the past 10/12 years we-they politico have raised a bunch of educated idiots.The libitards and government have tossed out a lot of American history along with American values to push their socialist agenda.Collage kids today can't get jobs because they know squat.It's the dumbing down of America.If you think I'm kidding go to your local school board and ask for a coarse outline of the 10th grade and read it,it's scary.

[Moonshot_1]

Wow, they must have been reeling trying to get their minds around your concept of putting a condom on a horse. LOL

One would have thought that the story of the Trojan Horse would be a timeless one.

Your friends version is now.

[da prez]

   Just try to get them to do a crossword puzzle that asks questions about things 50 years old.
  The lack of common knowledge is beyond my grasp. When Jay Leno did the questions on the street , and common knowledge from our time is lost on the new generation.

                          da prez

[3fan4life]

For many years now public schools have taught only what is on the SOL's.

With virtually all government funding hinging on whether or not a certain percentage of the students pass them public schools can't afford to teach anything else.

Obviously, there aren't any questions on the SOL's about the Trojan Horse.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Over the past 10/12 years we-they politico have raised a bunch of educated idiots.The libitards and government have tossed out a lot of American history along with American values to push their socialist agenda.Collage kids today can't get jobs because they know squat.It's the dumbing down of America.If you think I'm kidding go to your local school board and ask for a coarse outline of the 10th grade and read it,it's scary.

American History  I thought the Trojan Horse story was Greek Mythology ?

[dreamaker]

Wow, they must have been reeling trying to get their minds around your concept of putting a condom on a horse. LOL

One would have thought that the story of the Trojan Horse would be a timeless one.

Your friends version is now.

That is a great observation, I would not have thought about them thinking of putting condoms on the horse. May be that was what they were thinking, and thought I was the whack job!!

I was in the hospital for testing awhile back, allot of X-Gen and Millennial Gen people working there, they were very cool, and what I expect people to act like and think like. People that seem to care at least.

[Moonshot_1]

I had to look. They do make them. http://www.shopmedvet.com/product/equine-condom-each/large-animal-equine

Horse condoms.

You should get one and take it to them guys and tell'em this is strategy.  A Trojan fit for a horse! Everytime they come up with something they should know about and don't, pull it out and whack'em with it.

[Robert]

I would have said something like you have to cover it before you reveal the real idea  I would be so tempted to shine them on.


This is exactly what they talk about in this video. Its how the educational system was changed and how it was done. The video is a bit slow but very informative and you pick up bits and pieces of how the whole thing was changed to the present system of education and the money behind it.


Norman Dodd On Tax Exempt Foundations
https://www.oathkeepers.org/norman-dodd-on-tax-exempt-foundations-2/

NORMAN DODD: Well, they could say it, Mr. Griffin, but they had to have something in the way of a rationalization of their decision to do everything they could to stop the completion of this investigation in the directions that it was moving, which would have been an exposure of this Carnegie Endowment story and the Ford Foundation and the Guggenheim and the Rockefeller Foundation, all working in harmony toward the control of education in the United States.



So they approach four of the then-most prominent teachers of American history in the country – people like Charles and Mary Byrd – and their suggestion to them is: will they alter the manner in which they present their subject? And they got turned down flat. So they then decide that it is necessary for them to do as they say, “build our own stable of historians.”

Then they approach the Guggenheim Foundation, which specializes in fellowships, and say: “When we find young men in the process of studying for doctorates in the field of American history and we feel that they are the right caliber, will you grant them fellowships on our say-so?” And the answer is yes. So, under that condition, eventually they assembled assemble twenty, and they take this twenty potential teachers of American history to London, and there they’re briefed on what is expected of them when, as, and if they secure appointments in keeping with the doctorates they will have earned.

    That group of twenty historians ultimately becomes the nucleus of the American Historical Association.
Toward the end of the 1920’s, the Endowment grants to the American Historical Association $400,000 for a study of our history in a manner which points to what can this country look forward to in the future. That culminates in a seven-volume study, the last volume of which is, of course, in essence a summary of the contents of the other six.


    The essence of the last volume is: The future of this country belongs to collectivism administered with characteristic American efficiency.

    That’s the story that ultimately grew out of and, of course, was what could have been presented by the members of this Congressional committee to the congress as a whole for just exactly what it said. They never got to that point.
ED GRIFFIN: This is the story that emerged from the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment?NORMAN DODD: That’s right. It was official to that extent.

[Hooter]

December 7th 1941 throws most people especially if they are under 35 yrs old.

[Jess from VA]

December 7th 1941 throws most people especially if they are under 35 yrs old.

That's easy.... Geo Washington's birthday of course.         

[old2soon]

The young uns behind the cash registers these days at most establishments have no clue on how to count back your/my change. And far as History goes-Ask em bout WWII Korea or Nam. Deer in the headlights look. RIDE SAFE.

[Bighead]

Problem is that they don't teach kids History or much of anything these days they are taught to accept not to think. Just accept what the teacher says and not question it. That is a huge problem in this country today. They are blind following the blind.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Problem is that they don't teach kids History or much of anything these days they are taught to accept not to think. Just accept what the teacher says and not question it. That is a huge problem in this country today. They are blind following the blind.

My grandson learned about George Washington last year. He could answer just about every question I threw at him. I'll have to find out what they are studying now and quiz him.

[Alpha Dog]

Just another example that all is going according to plan.

[dreamaker]

You people bring up some interesting thinking.  I was brought up with the idea that history is the best teacher; well I used it as a valuable tool.  Using Baby Boomers for an example, most were taught about American and World history, which gave us scenarios, of the good and the bad, and what worked and what didn’t work.  So thinking out loud!  If a person has no history to compare to, it seems it would be difficult to make solid rational decisions.  It would be like a person being a clean slate, and could be molded or influenced easily or how they choose to. We are social animals; we have the need to believe in someone or something, and being a Boomer I need history to make good choices.

[Ramie]

Yup, this is our future!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk

[Roadog]

    Few years ago a friend of mine was telling me that he looked in his daughters history book out if curiosity ,  he said there were 2 pages on the great Zulu Chiefs in Africa and only 2 paragraphs about George Washington !  High school too .   A lot of these 'schools' today talk about how Jane has two momys and how guns go out and kill people , that America is a bad place .  This thinking being fed to them by their teachers and is not good and very difficult to correct if ever. We had an exchange student from Japan stay with us for a few weeks while our Daughter was in Japan with her folks , high school kids.   This young lady was absolutely a wonderful kid.  I am telling you this to show just how effective propaganda and selective 'facts' can be . She was SHOCKED when she found out about Pearl Harbor,...they DO NOT teach that part of the war in Japan , BUT she knew EVERY THING about little boy and Fat man  and how terrible America is for using those weapons. !!   I too was shocked to learn that myself .  

Ride safe
Roadog

[Gryphon Rider]

Over the past 10/12 years we-they politico have raised a bunch of educated idiots.The libitards and government have tossed out a lot of American history along with American values to push their socialist agenda.Collage kids today can't get jobs because they know squat.It's the dumbing down of America.If you think I'm kidding go to your local school board and ask for a coarse outline of the 10th grade and read it,it's scary.

 

[dreamaker]

What about the guy next door's history??  Canada, we do have close ties!!

[Gryphon Rider]

What about the guy next door's history??  Canada, we do have close ties!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Over the past 10/12 years we-they politico have raised a bunch of educated idiots.The libitards and government have tossed out a lot of American history along with American values to push their socialist agenda.Collage kids today can't get jobs because they know squat.It's the dumbing down of America.If you think I'm kidding go to your local school board and ask for a coarse outline of the 10th grade and read it,it's scary.

 

Thank you. 

[Moonshot_1]

Something to think about. I consider this on occasion. About World and US history.

I graduated High School in 1978. American History at that time began with the Declaration of Independance (Yes I know the genesis was long before that but that is the official start of the Country)
and ended with Vietnam and Watergate and after that it was the present time we lived in.

Today's High School Graduate has their US History start at the same time yet it now ends with President Trump's election win. The rest is "the present"

The time the school has to teach this subject has not changed. Yet, just since I graduated, schools must now teach nearly 40 more years of American History than what I got taught. That's alotta history. That's Carter, two terms of Reagan, Bush, two terms of Clinton, two terms of Bush and two terms of Obama and everything that happened in this country, for this country and about this country.

And all in the same basic time frame. For you older guys the disparity of what you were taught compared to what can be taught now is even wider.

So today's kids may not be real uptodate with Geo. Washington, Revolutionary war, and other important stuff. But with time marching on like a freight train, the relevance of the details are not that important. The results are for sure, but the fine details of things long past may not so much matter because we can find and teach the same values and standards in more current events. And since the amount of time to teach such values and standards remains pretty static (a semester here, a quarter there) and the amount of History becomes ever greater, you have got to make some choices on what events have had the greatest impact and invest the time in those.

[Gryphon Rider]

Thank you. 

You're welcome, of course. 

[Bighead]

Problem is that they don't teach kids History or much of anything these days they are taught to accept not to think. Just accept what the teacher says and not question it. That is a huge problem in this country today. They are blind following the blind.

My grandson learned about George Washington last year. He could answer just about every question I threw at him. I'll have to find out what they are studying now and quiz him.

Rob I don't know how old your grandson is but when he is around 14-15 yrs old ask him to write in cursive. If he can he will be the exception.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Problem is that they don't teach kids History or much of anything these days they are taught to accept not to think. Just accept what the teacher says and not question it. That is a huge problem in this country today. They are blind following the blind.

My grandson learned about George Washington last year. He could answer just about every question I threw at him. I'll have to find out what they are studying now and quiz him.

Rob I don't know how old your grandson is but when he is around 14-15 yrs old ask him to write in cursive. If he can he will be the exception.

He just turned 11. He already is exceptional. I wish I could take credit for it, but I think it's just who he is. I am very proud of him in many ways. He is a kind, thoughtful, smart young man.  I have many stories I could tell you about him, but I will only boor you with one. One time when he was 3 or 4 he and I were at my house while his Mom and Grandma went shopping. He had already started learning addition and subtraction. The simple stuff like 4-2, 2+3, etc. which at that age is pretty good. So anyway I was working on one of our doors and he was watching and helping. I started asking him math problems and he got them all. I thought I'd see how far his imagination went. I stepped up the quizzing with stuff like 4+2+8-6. And stuff like that. He amazed me with his ability. Sometimes he took a few minutes thinking about it, but he might have missed 1 out of 10. Later when my wife and daughter got home I asked them if they knew that Brayden knew how to do math. They looked at me with a condescending look and said yes we know, he's been doing adding and subtracting. I threw out a 5 step equation for him and he nailed it. The look on their faces was priceless. Maybe because they would have needed to write it down to get it. Like I say he already is exceptional in my book in many ways. I think he has been doing cursive for a couple years.
  I think even as proud as I am of his smarts, I am even more proud of what a kind, courteous, thoughtful person he is.

[Jess from VA]

My cursive was so hard to read (even by me), I had to give it up in college.  If I took my time, I wrote very nicely, but having to take college notes fast, it turned into hieroglyphics.  I could not read my own notes.  I switched to printing, and also developed a lot of my own short hand and a truckload of abbreviations. Almost nobody else can read it, but I can, like a book.  The only thing I've written in cursive since age 18 is my signature, and my State Bar (MI) required me to write my required oath upon bar admission in cursive (at 29).  (man, that was embarrassing, it looked like a 3d grader)

I'm none too great on a keyboard either.  In 20 years of education, I flunked one class; typing.  Part of that was my HS typing teacher was about 127 years old, and she played really bad elevator music for us to type to (a rhythm thing).  Man, you wanted to bang your head on the wall after an hour of that music.  I flunked typing one, and I was informed I had reached my maximum potential in typing, so would I please not take typing two.  And I didn't.  

I'll bet the kids have typing down.  Or texting.... which I have never done, but understand is a form of shorthand typing.

[Hooter]

I think some of the worst is supposed to be your profession Jess, and doctors.... when I was a Sgt part of my job was report and citation review. I had one of my officers that wrote so bad the court started tossing his tickets out because they were so illegible. 

The court had notified me on several occasions about it and I warned him about what may happen. Nothing changed,  It did happen, and went on for some time. He just wouldn't change things. The offenders loved it. They still were inconvenienced having to go to court but that was about it.

[bagelboy]

My beautiful daughter, who just happens to be a teacher for 3 years now, asked me in a conversation which other country besides Germany, did we fight in WW2. I must have looked at her like she had 2 heads. "Japan", I replied. She said that in school they had never learned about WW2? I was to say the least, blown away!

[Jess from VA]

I think some of the worst is supposed to be your profession Jess, and doctors.... when I was a Sgt part of my job was report and citation review. I had one of my officers that wrote so bad the court started tossing his tickets out because they were so illegible. 

The court had notified me on several occasions about it and I warned him about what may happen. Nothing changed,  It did happen, and went on for some time. He just wouldn't change things. The offenders loved it. They still were inconvenienced having to go to court but that was about it.

I don't know how lawyers are known to be such poor hand writers Hooter.  The courts have been requiring us to turn in only typed pleadings, motions etc for some time now.  I only charged $40 to do a simple will, and if someone showed up for their will and I had done it in handwriting (even very nice handwriting), they would have gotten angry and demanded their money back (even if the substance of the will was perfect).  Same deal with any business contract I was hired to write.  Federal appellate courts actually require you to get your stuff professionally printed, even good computer typing is unacceptable.  Our collective handwriting may indeed suck, but I don't know how you'd discover it.

Now Drs, I'm with you 100%.  When I went to work with USDVA, and 95% of our work was VA medical disability appeals, I was required to read and analyze hundreds and maybe thousands of pages of (original and xerox) handwritten Dr notes and reports in each claims folder (much of it going back to WWII).  I was screwed.  It was like I had a new job in crypto analysis, and the first thing I did was go out and buy a good quality magnifying glass because larger lousy handwriting was easier to decipher than small.  Fortunately,  I had an older guy mentor who I could take this stuff to, who could look down and read it to me like a book.   How in the hell do you do that?  Practice my son.  Plus the medicos have code and abbreviations up the wazoo.  It was some years before I too was able to read that crap.