Canadian gun grab

[98valk]

https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/04/03/trudeau-planning-gun-grab/

will be a muslim nation under sharia law soon after if the gun grab happens.

[Bighead]

Gonna get ugly when they try for ours.

[Sorcerer]

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

[Jess from VA]

I've been reading essentially the same news article for going on 30 years.  (Mostly US news)

It's the same old story, and the same old ignorant, knee-jerk liberal agenda.  

Pass laws only law abiding will follow, with absolutely NO effect on crime or criminals.

At some point though (in any free nation), the law abiding will stop following those kind of rules.

They just went through a national firearm registry which turned into a billion dollar fiasco, with no discernible effect on crime whatsoever.

This article is all rumor and supposition though.  We'll need more facts to go on.  But if there is a move afoot, you can be sure there will be nothing new or creative about it, they'll pull out and dust off some BS that's been going around for decades.  IE the guns on this list are bad, and must be banned to save the country (or the children).  You can still keep your flintlocks and single shots.  Or some such nonsense.  Unfortunately, our Canadian brothers never got a 2d Amendment.  Not that that has slowed down our gun haters much.  

[Gryphon Rider]

will be a muslim nation under sharia law soon after if the gun grab happens.

That's quite a leap of logic.

Canada has survived Liberal party gun laws before, and we'll survive whatever Ralph Goodale comes up with this time.

I'm not sure why you guys are so excited about what is happening politically in Canada.  Is it because now your man is in the White House and the Republicans control Congress, you don't have enough to get red-faced about at home?  I'm sure you can find a few Democrat-controlled states whose proposed legislation you can get hysterical about.

This article is all rumor and supposition though.  We'll need more facts to go on.

Amen!

Unfortunately, our Canadian brothers never got a 2d Amendment.

The Canadian political culture is quite different than the American political culture.  We don't have a history of fighting (as in bullets and blood) to overthrow our government.  If we want a change in government, we vote for it.  If enough Canadians thought strongly enough that we should have a constitutionally-protected right to bear arms, then we would make it happen by voting for parties that support it.

[old2soon]

Gonna get ugly when they try for ours.

                 Key word here is TRY! Course do to some nasty azzed boating incidents!  Also we can NOT ever let our vigilance weaken or falter. RIDE SAFE.

[MarkT]

You shouldn't go ballistic over an American's (short-hand for U.S. citizen) comments on CA politics when you have done the same vise-versa.  Without regard to the truth of the comments IN YOUR OPINION.  Everyone has an opinion on the subject and they are often diametrically opposed and they are right in their opinion and wrong in other's.  I don't have an opinion on CA politics other than I have little patience with lefty positions in any country.

[Gryphon Rider]

You shouldn't go ballistic over an American's (short-hand for U.S. citizen) comments on CA politics when you have done the same vise-versa.  Without regard to the truth of the comments IN YOUR OPINION.  Everyone has an opinion on the subject and they are often diametrically opposed and they are right in their opinion and wrong in other's.  I don't have an opinion on CA politics other than I have little patience with lefty positions in any country.

Who's going ballistic?  When you're reading what I'm writing, imagine me saying it in a deadpan voice with a bare hint of a smirk on my face.  I guess it's tough to deliver tone of voice through text.

Believe it or not, I have a high regard for the truth, and when I discover I have provided untrue information, I am happy to be corrected, or even to correct myself.  I understand opinions are opinions, and I hope by the nature and context of my comments, most should be able to determine which of my statements are presented as facts and which are opinions.

BTW, we have a common understanding of the term, "American".

[Gryphon Rider]

Oh, and If I DID want to go ballistic, what's wrong with doing it here?  I know we have extensive experience with people going ballistic on this board, and I'm sure I can do it without offending the Rules of the Road.

[MarkT]

Apparently you want to dicker over semantics.  Not going there.  I'm out.

[solo1]

I don't know about anyone else but I have enough frustration thinking about our problems here in the US.

I'm not versed on Canada's political situation and wouldn't discuss it even if I was.  To me, Canada is our good neighbor to the North and I'll leave it like that.

Wayne, solo1

[98valk]

will be a muslim nation under sharia law soon after if the gun grab happens.

That's quite a leap of logic.

Canada has survived Liberal party gun laws before, and we'll survive whatever Ralph Goodale comes up with this time.

I'm not sure why you guys are so excited about what is happening politically in Canada.  Is it because now your man is in the White House and the Republicans control Congress, you don't have enough to get red-faced about at home?  I'm sure you can find a few Democrat-controlled states whose proposed legislation you can get hysterical about.

This article is all rumor and supposition though.  We'll need more facts to go on.

Amen!

Unfortunately, our Canadian brothers never got a 2d Amendment.

The Canadian political culture is quite different than the American political culture.  We don't have a history of fighting (as in bullets and blood) to overthrow our government.  If we want a change in government, we vote for it.  If enough Canadians thought strongly enough that we should have a constitutionally-protected right to bear arms, then we would make it happen by voting for parties that support it.

pretty concerned when your country is allowing itself to become a Beachhead at the boarder of my country. Their barbaric cult book tells them to conquer the world and implement islam by any means necessary. have u read the news articles of attacks done by muslims brought into countries by foolish churches? The Bible tells us in the end times even the elect (Believers in Christ) will be deceived. I've been reading about muslim and their agenda since the 1981. They were calling the western world the devil and needed to be destroyed. over the yrs our leaders have given them the power to do so. The barbarians are here. http://www.ltw.org/watch/special-broadcasts/the-barbarians-are-here

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/04/03/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-doesnt-think-isis-supporters-and-terrorist-sympathizers-should-necessarily-be-prevented-from-working-at-strategic-locations-in-airports/

http://historyofjihad.org/canada.html
 To refresh our memory, some months back in 2006, a terror plot that took Canadians by surprise involved the storming of Canada's parliament to behead officials, including the prime minister Stephen Harper. The demands of the terrorist were that Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were to be released immediately.

Steven Vikash Chand, a 25-year-old restaurant worker from Toronto is a convert to Islam. He was one of 17 suspects in the case had plotted to take over media outlets such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/canada-muslims-open-fire-at-popular-calgary-nightclub
A new Islamic State manual tells Muslims in the West: “A nightclub, because of the loud music, the drunk people and the crowd, could actually be a good location to secretly discuss the details of an operation.” As well as to carry out an operation. And then the government and media will use the Muslims’ presence in the nightclub as evidence that they weren’t really Muslims at all, so relax, you Islamophobes.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/islamic-state-manual-tells-jihadis-to-pretend-to-be-christians
Pretend to be Christians: ISIS urges UK jihadis to cut beards, shun mosques & wear crosses,” by Leda Reynolds, Express, January 10, 2016:

    The booklet, called Safety and Security Guidelines for Lone Wolf Mujahideen, offers a chilling insight into the levels of preparation expected of those wishing to cause carnage in Europe.

    The 58-page terror manual, which has burning western-style buildings on the front cover, gushes about the importance of surprise when launching an attack to cause maximum impact.

    It urges home-grown terrorists to carry out attacks as they are less likely to be noticed.

    It also explains how nightclubs, full of loud music and drunk people, are the perfect place to discuss terror plans without being recorded or snooped on.

    The main thrust of the instruction booklet is the necessity to blend in with the western way of life and to avoid ‘looking like a Muslim’ so as to stay below the radar of the security services.

[Beardo]

You have a much greater chance of being killed by a fellow American, being struck by lightning, having a car turn left in front of you, falling down a flight of stairs or be stung by a swarm of killer bees than to be killed by a terrorist who has snuck in from Canada.

Not saying terrorism isn't a problem. It obviously is. But you've got more homegrown American terrorists there to worry about than ones who've come from Canada.  We aren't the problem many people are making us out to be.

[Alberta Patriot]

You have a much greater chance of being killed by a fellow American, being struck by lightning, having a car turn left in front of you, falling down a flight of stairs or be stung by a swarm of killer bees than to be killed by a terrorist who has snuck in from Canada.

Not saying terrorism isn't a problem. It obviously is. But you've got more homegrown American terrorists there to worry about than ones who've come from Canada.  We aren't the problem many people are making us out to be.

"Lies, cursed lies, and statistics"
I would like anyone with these "statistics" to face all the people around the world who mourn loved ones killed by Islamists.
It is not all about some pointless statistics...it is about what all this terror does  to the psyche of all who see this every day in the news.

[Beardo]

You have a much greater chance of being killed by a fellow American, being struck by lightning, having a car turn left in front of you, falling down a flight of stairs or be stung by a swarm of killer bees than to be killed by a terrorist who has snuck in from Canada.

Not saying terrorism isn't a problem. It obviously is. But you've got more homegrown American terrorists there to worry about than ones who've come from Canada.  We aren't the problem many people are making us out to be.

"Lies, cursed lies, and statistics"
I would like anyone with these "statistics" to face all the people around the world who mourn loved ones killed by Islamists.
It is not all about some pointless statistics...it is about what all this terror does  to the psyche of all who see this every day in the news.

I specifically stated that terrorism IS a problem. Just attempting to dispel the myth spread by some that Canada is the big problem some are making it out to be.

[Roadog]

You have a much greater chance of being killed by a fellow American, being struck by lightning, having a car turn left in front of you, falling down a flight of stairs or be stung by a swarm of killer bees than to be killed by a terrorist who has snuck in from Canada.

Not saying terrorism isn't a problem. It obviously is. But you've got more homegrown American terrorists there to worry about than ones who've come from Canada.  We aren't the problem many people are making us out to be.

  When you say "not saying terrorism isn't a problem ", Well yes you are . Saying "you have a better chance of being struck by lightning"  down plays the threat from them that would kill you your children , your wife and ALL of us if they could.  Statistically maybe BUT nothing wrong with being careful now is there...?  JMHO

Ride safe there neighbor
Roadog

[Beardo]

You're absolutely right, nothing wrong with being careful.

When someone makes the leap from the govt making a law about certain guns to sharia law and streams of Canadian terrorists flowing into America..you're going to get replies from Canadians. Especially when the facts show that many attacks have been carried out on American soil by American citizens, and not by Canadians.

[Gryphon Rider]

pretty concerned when your country is allowing itself to become a Beachhead at the boarder of my country. Their barbaric cult book tells them to conquer the world and implement islam by any means necessary. have u read the news articles of attacks done by muslims brought into countries by foolish churches? The Bible tells us in the end times even the elect (Believers in Christ) will be deceived. I've been reading about muslim and their agenda since the 1981. They were calling the western world the devil and needed to be destroyed. over the yrs our leaders have given them the power to do so. The barbarians are here. http://www.ltw.org/watch/special-broadcasts/the-barbarians-are-here

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/04/03/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-doesnt-think-isis-supporters-and-terrorist-sympathizers-should-necessarily-be-prevented-from-working-at-strategic-locations-in-airports/

http://historyofjihad.org/canada.html
 To refresh our memory, some months back in 2006, a terror plot that took Canadians by surprise involved the storming of Canada's parliament to behead officials, including the prime minister Stephen Harper. The demands of the terrorist were that Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were to be released immediately.

Steven Vikash Chand, a 25-year-old restaurant worker from Toronto is a convert to Islam. He was one of 17 suspects in the case had plotted to take over media outlets such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/canada-muslims-open-fire-at-popular-calgary-nightclub
A new Islamic State manual tells Muslims in the West: “A nightclub, because of the loud music, the drunk people and the crowd, could actually be a good location to secretly discuss the details of an operation.” As well as to carry out an operation. And then the government and media will use the Muslims’ presence in the nightclub as evidence that they weren’t really Muslims at all, so relax, you Islamophobes.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/islamic-state-manual-tells-jihadis-to-pretend-to-be-christians
Pretend to be Christians: ISIS urges UK jihadis to cut beards, shun mosques & wear crosses,” by Leda Reynolds, Express, January 10, 2016:

    The booklet, called Safety and Security Guidelines for Lone Wolf Mujahideen, offers a chilling insight into the levels of preparation expected of those wishing to cause carnage in Europe.

    The 58-page terror manual, which has burning western-style buildings on the front cover, gushes about the importance of surprise when launching an attack to cause maximum impact.

    It urges home-grown terrorists to carry out attacks as they are less likely to be noticed.

    It also explains how nightclubs, full of loud music and drunk people, are the perfect place to discuss terror plans without being recorded or snooped on.

    The main thrust of the instruction booklet is the necessity to blend in with the western way of life and to avoid ‘looking like a Muslim’ so as to stay below the radar of the security services.

So, is it the guns that citizens of Canada now possess that are stemming the tide of sharia law?  I hate to break it to ya, but Canadians aren't relying on the guns they have now to prevent anything other than overpopulation of game and nuisance animals.  We don't exactly go around with guns under our armpits in anticipation of someone yelling, "Allahu Akbar!" while pulling out an AK-47.  All new legislation will do is reduce the number of guns some have locked in cases in their cars or in safes in their homes, or for others it will just keep their mouths shut even tighter about the guns they have already.

The Bible tells us in the end times even the elect (Believers in Christ) will be deceived.

Did you even read the verse you are citing, or the context it is found in?  It's Matthew 24:24:
"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (ESV)

This has absolutely nothing to do with Christians being fooled by their enemies of another religion into taking them in, only to be killed.  It is about people being deceived into believing that someone is the returned Christ, the second coming.  Are you so consumed by your fear and hatred of Muslims that you will rip verses and phrases of scripture out of context in order to support your preconceived ideas?  Christians are called to "rightly handle the word of truth" (2 Tim 2:15).  That means seeking to discover the divinely inspired message of the original writer to the original audience in the original context, then seeking to obey the commands or apply the concepts to our daily lives.

Jesus Christ, Himself, was perfectly clear in how we, as His followers, are to respond to our enemies:

“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.” (Luke 6:27-36)

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Seems pretty clear, even to a heathen such as myself.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You're absolutely right, nothing wrong with being careful.

When someone makes the leap from the govt making a law about certain guns to sharia law and streams of Canadian terrorists flowing into America..you're going to get replies from Canadians. Especially when the facts show that many attacks have been carried out on American soil by American citizens, and not by Canadians.

Please know that 99% of us Americans don't think of our friends to the north in such a way. (Well maybe only 98.7%)

[Gavin_Sons]

pretty concerned when your country is allowing itself to become a Beachhead at the boarder of my country. Their barbaric cult book tells them to conquer the world and implement islam by any means necessary. have u read the news articles of attacks done by muslims brought into countries by foolish churches? The Bible tells us in the end times even the elect (Believers in Christ) will be deceived. I've been reading about muslim and their agenda since the 1981. They were calling the western world the devil and needed to be destroyed. over the yrs our leaders have given them the power to do so. The barbarians are here. http://www.ltw.org/watch/special-broadcasts/the-barbarians-are-here

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/04/03/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-doesnt-think-isis-supporters-and-terrorist-sympathizers-should-necessarily-be-prevented-from-working-at-strategic-locations-in-airports/

http://historyofjihad.org/canada.html
 To refresh our memory, some months back in 2006, a terror plot that took Canadians by surprise involved the storming of Canada's parliament to behead officials, including the prime minister Stephen Harper. The demands of the terrorist were that Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were to be released immediately.

Steven Vikash Chand, a 25-year-old restaurant worker from Toronto is a convert to Islam. He was one of 17 suspects in the case had plotted to take over media outlets such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/canada-muslims-open-fire-at-popular-calgary-nightclub
A new Islamic State manual tells Muslims in the West: “A nightclub, because of the loud music, the drunk people and the crowd, could actually be a good location to secretly discuss the details of an operation.” As well as to carry out an operation. And then the government and media will use the Muslims’ presence in the nightclub as evidence that they weren’t really Muslims at all, so relax, you Islamophobes.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/islamic-state-manual-tells-jihadis-to-pretend-to-be-christians
Pretend to be Christians: ISIS urges UK jihadis to cut beards, shun mosques & wear crosses,” by Leda Reynolds, Express, January 10, 2016:

    The booklet, called Safety and Security Guidelines for Lone Wolf Mujahideen, offers a chilling insight into the levels of preparation expected of those wishing to cause carnage in Europe.

    The 58-page terror manual, which has burning western-style buildings on the front cover, gushes about the importance of surprise when launching an attack to cause maximum impact.

    It urges home-grown terrorists to carry out attacks as they are less likely to be noticed.

    It also explains how nightclubs, full of loud music and drunk people, are the perfect place to discuss terror plans without being recorded or snooped on.

    The main thrust of the instruction booklet is the necessity to blend in with the western way of life and to avoid ‘looking like a Muslim’ so as to stay below the radar of the security services.

So, is it the guns that citizens of Canada now possess that are stemming the tide of sharia law?  I hate to break it to ya, but Canadians aren't relying on the guns they have now to prevent anything other than overpopulation of game and nuisance animals.  We don't exactly go around with guns under our armpits in anticipation of someone yelling, "Allahu Akbar!" while pulling out an AK-47.  All new legislation will do is reduce the number of guns some have locked in cases in their cars or in safes in their homes, or for others it will just keep their mouths shut even tighter about the guns they have already.

The Bible tells us in the end times even the elect (Believers in Christ) will be deceived.

Did you even read the verse you are citing, or the context it is found in?  It's Matthew 24:24:
"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (ESV)

This has absolutely nothing to do with Christians being fooled by their enemies of another religion into taking them in, only to be killed.  It is about people being deceived into believing that someone is the returned Christ, the second coming.  Are you so consumed by your fear and hatred of Muslims that you will rip verses and phrases of scripture out of context in order to support your preconceived ideas?  Christians are called to "rightly handle the word of truth" (2 Tim 2:15).  That means seeking to discover the divinely inspired message of the original writer to the original audience in the original context, then seeking to obey the commands or apply the concepts to our daily lives.

Jesus Christ, Himself, was perfectly clear in how we, as His followers, are to respond to our enemies:

“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.” (Luke 6:27-36)

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

We don't exactly go around with guns under our armpits

what is wrong with that? I go around a lot of the time with a gun under my armpit. If one is not under my armpit there is one in my waistband. i don't anticipate ever coming across someone yelling Allahu Akbar. But if they ever do i'll be prepared. I don't really care what Canada does with it's gun laws, i only care about ours. And if they ever try to take mine it will be from my cold dead hands.

[hubcapsc]

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

I think some people think it means "be a chump". I don't think it means that.

-Mike

[Gryphon Rider]

We don't exactly go around with guns under our armpits

what is wrong with that? I go around a lot of the time with a gun under my armpit. If one is not under my armpit there is one in my waistband. i don't anticipate ever coming across someone yelling Allahu Akbar. But if they ever do i'll be prepared. I don't really care what Canada does with it's gun laws, i only care about ours. And if they ever try to take mine it will be from my cold dead hands.

My statement isn't a judgment on Americans who carry, but simply that, with rare exceptions, Canadians don't carry.  Thus, if we had gun ownership further restricted, it would have no effect on our susceptibility to terrorism or the implementation of sharia law.  If I resided in the US where it is permitted, would I carry?  I don't know.  I'd have to do a risk/benefit assessment.

[bscrive]

No wonder I am an atheist. 

The Bible and the Koran are full of crap made up by men. 

They just give crazies a reason to do what they do and others a reason to fight them.

[Gryphon Rider]

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

I think some people think it means "be a chump". I don't think it means that.

-Mike

I think it means Christ-followers need to be willing to be perceived as chumps; "We are fools for Christ's sake..."

[98valk]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/man-who-killed-soldier-car-was-radical-muslim-authorities-say-n230526

http://pamelageller.com/2013/09/canada-firefighter-dies-after-muslim-attempts-to-behead-him-without-provocationi-n-toronto-cafe.html/

https://www.canadaammo.com/

Oh My!
http://waltwhitemansworld.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-muslim-invasion-of-canada-has-begun.html

[Roadog]

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

I think some people think it means "be a chump". I don't think it means that.

-Mike

I think it means Christ-followers need to be willing to be perceived as chumps; "We are fools for Christ's sake..."

   The Bible also says in Mark 3:27 :  "No man can enter into a strongman's house, and spoil his goods, EXCEPT he will FIRST bind the strong man, and then he will spoil his house" .  I think THAT is pretty clear too.  We ARE to defend ourselves when we have a NEED too !   Even Christians are allowed...    

Roadog :cooldude

[Gryphon Rider]

It's hard to misinterpret that, isn't it.

I think some people think it means "be a chump". I don't think it means that.

-Mike

I think it means Christ-followers need to be willing to be perceived as chumps; "We are fools for Christ's sake..."

   The Bible also says in Mark 3:27 :  "No man can enter into a strongman"s house, and spoil his goods, EXCEPT he will FIRST bind the strong man, and then he will spoil his house" .  I think THAT is pretty clear too.  We ARE to defend ourselves when we NEED too !   Even Christians...    

Roadog :cooldude

A perfect example of finding a verse that seems to say what you want, pulling it out of context, and making no attempt to understand its meaning within its context.  Read verses 22-30 and it should become clearer.

[old2soon]

Better to have it-gun-and NOT need it than to NEED it-gun-and NOT have it-gun. RIDE SAFE.

[BF]

Oh boy.  Another thread I need to avoid.   

[Robert]

I think in regards to enemies some need to look into the Old Testament also. Because Jesus said not one dot or tittle will perish and the people He was talking to were Jews brought up under Jewish law. Its interesting that some claim we are not called to protect ourselves or life in general. That we should be allowed to let an enemy kill us rape our daughters and wives and then give them all we have and institute Sharia law so we cannot worship any longer. That we should no longer put criminals in jail and fire the Police, if you follow this logic and teaching. Yup sounds Christian to me and actually sounds like the plan of the enemy. 

Using Jesus as an example is not correct either in this case since, Jesus came to die, if He had stopped His own personal death, that was foretold in scripture and fulfilled by Jesus, ordained from the creation of the world and that He could have stopped or changed at any time. That the Apostles who were also Jews did not understand the significance in what was happening or even what was being said by Jesus and wanted to stop the plan and raise an army, and even going as far as cutting off the soldiers ear, then we wouldn't have had our salvation and would be found actually to be fighting God. But to use Jesus born to die for our sins as an example for allowing the enemy to kill us is a bad example and reflects taking scripture out of context.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Oh boy.  Another thread I need to avoid.   

Agreed. I should have ignored it when I saw the title and the poster.

[Robert]

Its not guns that keep this kind of threat at bay. Its the ideology and laws of the country that do that along with elected officials following rule of law. Canada has chosen their path to gun laws as the US has. But we have also politicians that refuse to follow the law as its written instead, ignoring the prime reasons for their government post, to protect the people and enforce the laws. Its this lawlessness that is the threat and the peoples lack of follow through and not holding elected officials responsible that is dangerous. If you have to use a gun then all social constraints have failed and its a last resort. For government its already failed if things have gotten to this point. If the judges had not struck down Trumps ban then we may have had the time to straighten out a mess with immigration and establish rules and guides. Our Canadian boarder has long been a place where those who would not pass muster from another country would be able to get through to the US.

[98valk]

Oh boy.  Another thread I need to avoid.   

Agreed. I should have ignored it when I saw the title and the poster.

so u do not like factual legitimate news articles?

[Beardo]

Oh boy.  Another thread I need to avoid.   

Agreed. I should have ignored it when I saw the title and the poster.

so u do not like factual legitimate news articles?

If you'd have posted the article and had a discussion about the article, this thread would have gone much differently. It was your ridiculous statement in the opening post that got it off on a tangent. There was nothing factual about your commentary on the article.

Then you post links that supposedly prove Canada has already turned into lawless chaos.

Because I'd rather not,  I won't get into a google search contest with you about the number of attacks in each country. You won't like how that turns out.