Shut It Down!

[G-Man]

Keep on marching, people.  Keep on listening to, and believing, the lines you are being fed.  Keep on congratulating the masked and the hooded for shutting down free speech.  Keep on blindly following those with hate in their heart.

But for heaven's sake..........  At least stop siding with and following terrorists. 

https://behindthenewsisrael.wordpress.com/2017/02/27/leader-of-anti-trump-womens-march-is-palestinian-terrorist-who-killed-2-israeli-students-in-jerusalem/



One side wants to keep out the bad from around the world while the other side is doing everything it can to stop them.  In doing so, they trample our universities and cities and exalt terrorists as their leaders in their wishful demise of our country.  The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

[Robert]

I have no idea of how these and other protesters can follow anyone who wants to stir up trouble without seeing who they really are. Most protesters are like grass and go which ever way the wind blows, led by their own distorted sense of reality and emotional whim of the time or paid for. To me this is scary since there is no decency no real understanding compassion and a lust of the fight. But if they win what happens? Now that is a scary thought.

  Where is the true understanding that will moderate a heart led by such impulses or decency that can form a cohesive fair just society. Trump for all his bluster understands how things work, that is what these people dont understand. Trump plays a game and gets the system, these people fight and destroy paradise. Puppets used by corrupt people to hide behind. 

I will say this George Soros and Obama have paid protesters, I cannot say to what degree this is the case in some of the protests but they have been key to other protests in other countries. Soros especially has stirred up trouble and gotten his way before.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

[Oss]

remember history

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

Likewise the radical jihadist will do the same

Radical islamic terrorist follow the fascist playbook

I dont like the idea of labelling all of it left as it throws a lot of folks out with the bathwater, prefer a litmus test on is it radical islam, is it socialism, is it communism, does it glorify crime or death

However that piece of crap posing as a woman in question should have been put down like the dog she is long ago,  shame on those who want her to speak, she is 100x worse than Fonda as she killed innocents herself not just posing (I cant stand Jane either by the way)

[..]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

Rising to your bait.

You don't consider yourself "part of the left".

Why f'in reply then? if not to just stir $hit up.

[Moonshot_1]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

Rising to your bait.

You don't consider yourself "part of the left".

Why f'in reply then? if not to just stir $hit up.

That's not fair. Meathead is a decent guy and he asks an honest question. Surely he's earned respect here. He has with me.

The point is that the political discourse from the left side of the political spectrum has elements within it that have gone to lengths that would rival the worse of fascism.

This isn't a condemnation of all "liberals" or democrats. But we have seen the political leaders of the left side go to ridiculous lengths with bizarre narratives, supporting violence, condoning hatred. This isn't about Trump either. This is the nightmare of having their world and universe upended. For the left it isn't that Trump was elected and the Republicans scored a huge win. For the left it is that they are no longer in power. That their views and beliefs have not only been challenged but have been, at least for now, defeated. And embarrassingly so.

The shame in all this is that the element that has gone ballistic, being violent, shutting down normal political discourse, and otherwise acting like spoiled arrogant children are dragging the liberal folks who are trying to bring normal political discourse, generate legitimate and thoughtful debate into the gutter with them.

It goes from the violence at UC Berkeley to the absolute insanity of the Democrat leadership's attempt to assassinate Judge Gorsuch"s character after heaping praise over his character just a couple years ago.

It is the political insanity and violence that must be shut down. Not folks who engage in legitimate debate and political discourse.

[3fan4life]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

If you want to see our freedoms taken away and our country be ran by communists then, YES.

At one point in your life you swore an oath to defend this country against "ALL" enemies foreign and domestic.

So did I.

AS far as I'm concerned that oath didn't end with my enlistment.

I don't know how you feel about that.

[JimC]

The shame in all this is that the element that has gone ballistic, being violent, shutting down normal political discourse, and otherwise acting like spoiled arrogant children are dragging the liberal folks who are trying to bring normal political discourse, generate legitimate and thoughtful debate into the gutter with them.

WELL SAID 

Jim

[The emperor has no clothes]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

Rising to your bait.

You don't consider yourself "part of the left".

Why f'in reply then? if not to just stir $hit up.

If you consider me asking Gary why he wants to shut me down is stirring up crap, then so be it. Saying that "the left" or "the right" needs to be shut down is undemocratic . "Why f'in reply then ?" Because I would hope by asking the question he would see the error of his statement.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

If you want to see our freedoms taken away and our country be ran by communists then, YES.

At one point in your life you swore an oath to defend this country against "ALL" enemies foreign and domestic.

So did I.

AS far as I'm concerned that oath didn't end with my enlistment.

I don't know how you feel about that.

And what in my entire discourse here over the years would make you ask if I want to see our freedoms taken away and run by communists ? As far as swearing an oath to my country, I have and always will be loyal and faithful to my country. I'm sorry you haven't picked that up from me over the years.

[Robert]

http://freebeacon.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-jokes-about-wanting-to-cut-republicans-bodies-open/

Elizabeth Warren Jokes About Wanting to ‘Cut Open’ Republican ‘Bodies’
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) joked last week that she hoped Republicans donated their bodies to science so she could "cut them open" when they died.

"I hope they leave their bodies to science. I would like to cut them open," Warren said during an event in Chicago on Saturday.

Warren was discussing the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare and seemed to suggest their position on healthcare was unfathomable.

"God, what planet do they live on?" Warren asked, before sharing her wish to cut open their bodies.



New Documents Reveal Clinton Under Grand Jury Investigation for Email Activity
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-court-filing-reveals-grand-jury-targeted-hillary-clinton/
Newly released documents from the State Department reveal Hillary Clinton was the subject of a grand jury investigation related to her BlackBerry email accounts.

The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch revealed on Friday that FBI Special Agent E.W. Priestap made a declaration stating the former secretary of state was under investigation for using a private email account on her BlackBerry.

On April 30, 2015, Judicial Watch sued Kerry after the State Department failed to take action on a letter sent to Kerry “notifying him of the unlawful removal of the Clinton emails and requesting that he initiate enforcement action pursuant to the [Federal Records Act],” including working through the Attorney General to recover the emails.

[3fan4life]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

If you want to see our freedoms taken away and our country be ran by communists then, YES.

At one point in your life you swore an oath to defend this country against "ALL" enemies foreign and domestic.

So did I.

AS far as I'm concerned that oath didn't end with my enlistment.

I don't know how you feel about that.

And what in my entire discourse here over the years would make you ask if I want to see our freedoms taken away and run by communists ? As far as swearing an oath to my country, I have and always will be loyal and faithful to my country. I'm sorry you haven't picked that up from me over the years.

While at times your words indicate that you are a patriot, you continually side with and support the  elements of our society that would like to see our country become socialist/communist.

So, yes I don't get it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

If you want to see our freedoms taken away and our country be ran by communists then, YES.

At one point in your life you swore an oath to defend this country against "ALL" enemies foreign and domestic.

So did I.

AS far as I'm concerned that oath didn't end with my enlistment.

I don't know how you feel about that.

And what in my entire discourse here over the years would make you ask if I want to see our freedoms taken away and run by communists ? As far as swearing an oath to my country, I have and always will be loyal and faithful to my country. I'm sorry you haven't picked that up from me over the years.

While at times your words indicate that you are a patriot, you continually side with and support the  elements of our society that would like to see our country become socialist/communist.

So, yes I don't get it.

While at times ?  When have I ever said anything to infer that I was not loyal to my country ? It is amazing to level some will stoop to when in disagreement with others about politics. You obviously know very little about me. And after your statements about my loyalties, I don't care if you ever know me.

[Jess from VA]

Quit arguing, please.

How it gets shut down is the tried and true use of police and prosecutors and judges.  When people rally or protest in urban areas without a permit or local permission they are trespassing.  When lawful protest/speech goes beyond peaceful into riot, property damage, assault, battery, and trespass the cops come in and arrest people and haul them to jail, they are prosecuted, and judges sentence them.

If they really get out of hand, use the billy clubs, boots, water cannon, dogs, and tear gas.  Law and order is a good thing. 

These people are not for the most part courageous by any stretch.  More like all blow and no show.

Unless it is Los Angeles, then the rioters are allowed to go about their business of looting and murder and mayhem with no police involvement at all. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Quit arguing, please.

I apologize.  I shouldn't have let this get under my skin. I know that some feel "the left" should be shut down. I know that some feel voting for Democrats is akin to subverting our way of life. I should just let it be at that and not take it personally. I will strive to do better. Again, I apologize to my fellow members.

[Jess from VA]

No need to apologize (to me).

I feel everyone has the right to stand up and speak their mind.

The back and forth thing just rarely goes anywhere...... productive.  No one is converted, and no one wins. 

I think Moonshot's post was the best in the thread.

[cokebottle10]

"I think Moonshot's post was the best in the thread."

+1

David in Fletcher NC

[The emperor has no clothes]

No need to apologize (to me).

I feel everyone has the right to stand up and speak their mind.

The back and forth thing just rarely goes anywhere...... productive.  No one is converted, and no one wins. 

I think Moonshot's post was the best in the thread.

Well, after some reflection I feel I should apologize . Not just to you, but the entire board. Your post just gave me the opportunity to. I should have known better than to go back and forth. I think I take the patriotism thing too personal. It has been used many times against my liberal persuasion. I guess over the years a pent up burr under my saddle got the better of me. I know the person I am and that should be enough. (I do appreciate Moonshot's response)

May this thread die a inglorious death.

[Chrisj CMA]

I remember back in the 70's people were suspicious of them that acted like a communist and there was a fear if you sympathized with commies someone would come and take you away.  I don't know where they would have taken them or if any were "taken away" but there was a fear that America was not going to stand for people rising up claiming to be communist.  Illegals actually hid out back then and didn't get rights and benefits like they do today.

We as a nation need to solidify our foundation.  I believe something very similar to what the founding fathers put in place would be miles ahead of the chaos we have now.  A foundation not grounded in any specific faith or religion but founded in the sure belief that the God of the Bible is the God that created all and gave men the right to be free and the right to pursue happiness as long as that pursuit doesn't infringe on others right to do the same.

Freedom does not mean you can do whatever you want (this is what many today think)  Freedom simply means you are not subjects or enslaved to another person or system of government.  In fact our government used to claim it was a government for and by the people.  That is where the current cry "We The People" comes from.

Since we don't stand on a firm foundation of moral strength and the rule of law we tend to fall for, allow, tolerate almost anything.

If we stood on a firm foundation again then we could and should resist actions and behaviors NOT consistent with that foundation.  People would still have the right to believe what they want, we as a nation would not have to bow down to or justify, protect or accommodate that which goes against the foundation we should be standing on. 

That (as it was in the past) would go a long way to shut down anti-American protests, behavior and teachings in our country. 

I'm done, don't care who disagrees, its what I think.

[G-Man]

The left has gone too far.  It's time to shut them down.

I don't consider myself part of "the left", but I imagine some here do. How do you want to shut me, them down ?

Rising to your bait.

You don't consider yourself "part of the left".

Why f'in reply then? if not to just stir $hit up.

If you consider me asking Gary why he wants to shut me down is stirring up crap, then so be it. Saying that "the left" or "the right" needs to be shut down is undemocratic . "Why f'in reply then ?" Because I would hope by asking the question he would see the error of his statement.

I was gonna send this privately, but since you are publically showing me my errors here it is:

I'm not gonna do anything to shut you down personally.  Your reply demonstrates what you are all about. 

Wow!  Who do you think you are?  (rhetorical, i already know the answer)

You're showing ME the error in my ways?  Kiss my a$$.

The OP was about the left bringing in a murdering, islamic terrorist to lead a women's march and you're gonna show me my error?

Britman, and others are 100% correct about you.  You just can't help yourself.   

[G-Man]

It is amazing to level some will stoop to when in disagreement with others about politics.

Pot calling the kettle..........    

Now THAT's funny.           

[G-Man]

Quit arguing, please.

How it gets shut down is the tried and true use of police and prosecutors and judges.  When people rally or protest in urban areas without a permit or local permission they are trespassing.  When lawful protest/speech goes beyond peaceful into riot, property damage, assault, battery, and trespass the cops come in and arrest people and haul them to jail, they are prosecuted, and judges sentence them.

If they really get out of hand, use the billy clubs, boots, water cannon, dogs, and tear gas.  Law and order is a good thing. 

These people are not for the most part courageous by any stretch.  More like all blow and no show.

Unless it is Los Angeles, then the rioters are allowed to go about their business of looting and murder and mayhem with no police involvement at all. 

As I read your post, Jess, I was thinking the exact same thing as you when I got to your last sentence, only, I didn't limit it to LA.  I included all the major urban areas run by democrats for decades. 

Now, all of these same cities are declaring themselves sanctuary cities.  They are doubling down on lawlessness and half of America is just fine with this, even protesting for it.

The far left may be bringing down moderate lefties with them, but I'm not hearing the moderates say or do anything about it. 

We just saw a great example of this.  The far left brings in a murdering terrorist to lead a women's march (the original issue of this thread) and instead of a "moderate" person (who's past posts lead everyone to assume which way he leans politically) denouncing bringing in a murdering terrorist to lead a women's march, he feels it's necessary to point out my error by saying we shouldn't allow this and other practises the left has been using.

Kind of reminds me of the Islamic issue.  Took 45 years to hear a couple of moderate muslims speak out against islamic terrorists.  I don't think this country should wait that long.

[MCRIDER]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

[Chrisj CMA]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

Id like to see a list of radicalized Christian extremists.  Do you even know what that term means?

[Gavin_Sons]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

Id like to see a list of radicalized Christian extremists.  Do you even know what that term means?

I'm going with..........NO  but who am i to judge? Meathead said it was ironic that someone who hasn't served in the military to judge someone who has. You know what? as soon as you put yourself in public service position i get to judge. But my post and his response was removed.  I see this thread being locked down before long. 

[Moonshot_1]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

No, no it can't. At least not in a sane and rational way. Perhaps in a different place and time centuries ago, but in the modern age, no, the same can't be said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

Id like to see a list of radicalized Christian extremists.  Do you even know what that term means?

I'm going with..........NO  but who am i to judge? Meathead said it was ironic that someone who hasn't served in the military to judge someone who has. You know what? as soon as you put yourself in public service position i get to judge. But my post and his response was removed.  I see this thread being locked down before long. 

Different thread. Doesn't look like your post was removed.

[Wizzard]

now children ,, have a coke and a smile and quit fighting.  

[Gavin_Sons]

The communists and the socialists will say anything, do anything, short term long term it doesnt matter to advance their agenda

The same can be said for all the radicalized, Christian, extremists that run the government in the U.S. and Texas.

Id like to see a list of radicalized Christian extremists.  Do you even know what that term means?

I'm going with..........NO  but who am i to judge? Meathead said it was ironic that someone who hasn't served in the military to judge someone who has. You know what? as soon as you put yourself in public service position i get to judge. But my post and his response was removed.  I see this thread being locked down before long. 

Different thread. Doesn't look like your post was removed.

   ahh, I knew something was amiss