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I know that headline is going to inflame some but its for a purpose and that is not to inflame. Showing what Obamas hidden cost and policy changes cost us in real dollars. Depending on who you ask, President Obama added anywhere from $983 billion to $9 trillion to the national debt. Who's lying? None of them but the truth in regulations and policy changes can be added up and is not included in the final figure. Trump has been so successful at saving/creating jobs and starting to turn the economy around with only 4 months into his presidency because he is repealing the executive orders that Obama signed against the will and good intentions of most US citizens. Sometimes we dont see the hidden costs that does not figure in any charts, graphs and is a total pic of the cost of what Obama has done to change the US. The health care that they are now pushing as a right has been the US's biggest tax increase and cost the US dearly. National health expenditures will hit $3.35 trillion this year, which works out to $10,345 for every man, woman and child. The other programs administration costs of 60 billion and more close to 100 billion only in regulatory savings. This is not the regulatory cost of health care but the cost of enforcing and changing regulations. Trump has created new jobs and new business that will offset some increases. This financial addition has not been calculated into real numbers yet but the creation of full time jobs is going to help much with families just making it and NOT getting a government subsidy. Along with stopping the cost and flow of illegals and the saving of jobs by tech companies to stop the b1 visa program from replacing US workers. He has stopped the termination of coal and all the jobs that it saved and industries it supplies. This is only the tip of the iceberg of course but you get the idea. Along with the 500 million to Solyndra and just a myriad of other lost causes is starting to breath life into the US. Merkle and Obama were such buddies because like her the agenda is more important than the people they represent. So Trump is the most successful because he stopped,repealed, changed Obamas new world policies in 4 months in office and we see the results of what Obama really cost us. Trump really did nothing else except to keep a campaign promise to make America Great again by bringing the US back to pre Obama laws showing us what it truly cost us to have Obama as president.
The left is like Trump ripped the shirt off thier backs in protecting the middle class and American way of life, Sad really sad. http://freebeacon.com/issues/report-trump-rolls-back-60-billion-regulatory-savings/Report: Trump Rolls Back $60 Billion More in Regulatory Savings President Donald Trump and Congress have saved an additional $60 billion in regulatory costs by rolling back Obama administration rules, according to a new report. The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released a report Tuesday documenting the most recent ways the administration and Congress have used the Congressional Review Act to repeal regulations. The report found the recent repeal and delay of regulations could lead to $86 billion in net fiscal effects for taxpayers from deregulation. "Congress has already passed 13 CRA resolutions, repealing more than $1.1 billion (annually) in past regulations from the Obama Administration," the report, written by Sam Batkins, director of regulatory policy for AAF, said. "In addition, President Trump has formally delayed and signaled an intention to amend several other major rules. Combined, these actions could generate more than $18 billion in annual regulatory savings for businesses, investors, and consumers." The other cost is the devaluation on the dollar and the price of printing money that further takes out of the middle class. Why the middle class that you and me are part of because the wealthy have enough money to overcome this and lower have subsidies to help. But the middle class has to get by. Firstly, printing money tends to be inflationary. Higher inflation makes a country less competitive leading to relatively lower demand for their exports and hence currency. Secondly, increasing the money supply enables the Central Bank to buy more foreign currency, which drives down the value of the domestic currency. Statement of intent. By promising to print money and keep currency low, it discourages speculators from buying that currency as it is less likely to be a good bet.
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Inflame ? No, Make me pee my pants laughing so hard ? Most definitely.
Without a doubt the most ridiculous post you've ever put up. (And you've put up some doozies)
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Inflame ? No, Make me pee my pants laughing so hard ? Most definitely.
Without a doubt the most ridiculous post you've ever put up. (And you've put up some doozies)
Im glad I got you to laugh but without thinking and checking its easy, So is it true? and if not in what areas?
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Most successful, I think time will tell. I like what he has done or tried to do so far. I'm still willing to give him a chance.
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Without a doubt the most ridiculous post you've ever put up. (And you've put up some doozies)
Im glad I got you to laugh but without thinking and checking its easy, So is it true? and if not in what areas? I can't type right now. I'm on aisle 5 looking for some Depends. 
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Remember, I said so far, Yes we need to see what he is going to do in the future. I am only saying by changing the US back to pre Obama standards in some areas this is what we have saved in 4 months. This is a very narrow time so changes are only the removal of Obamas changes and do not compare and justify all the demonstrations. Since its really Obama that made this possible.
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Remember, I said so far, Yes we need to see what he is going to do in the future. I am only saying by changing the US back to pre Obama standards in some areas this is what we have saved in 4 months. This is a very narrow time but saved by time, more than any other president and not really worth all the demonstrations. Since its really Obama that made this possible.
He'd better hurry up. He won't be able to do squat once he's impeached...
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Don't know about the most successful in history. We got to get much further down the road and better establish the standard by which to measure Presidents to really know.
But, having said that, I have to say I am pleasantly impressed by Trump's performance. Much of the things stated in the original post are, for most people, boring and unimpressive as they deal with mostly rules and regulations. Not real exciting stuff. But essential stuff. Complex stuff.
And he is doing this in the face of a full on offensive by most of the "mainstream" media the likes I have never seen. I find it odd that the press can continually use "unnamed sources" or "anonymous sources" to base dubious stories about Trump yet never seem to hold those same sources to that same standard they attempt to hold Trump to.
As far as I am concerned, unnamed or anonymous sources no longer have any merit.
But again, in the face of all that Trump has accomplished an amazing amount of work in reducing and reforming regulations.
I'm excited to see his continued leadership.
And he's fun!
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I mentioned this when the Man was getting his campaign started. As far as we know he is not beholdin to anyone or beholdin to a particular political party. THAT is what has the rest of the dumb asses down right AFRAID. NOT bein beholdin. RIDE SAFE.
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Remember, I said so far, Yes we need to see what he is going to do in the future. I am only saying by changing the US back to pre Obama standards in some areas this is what we have saved in 4 months. This is a very narrow time but saved by time, more than any other president and not really worth all the demonstrations. Since its really Obama that made this possible.
He'd better hurry up. He won't be able to do squat once he's impeached... For what? Pissing off Liberals? That's not an impeachable offense, just a bonus.
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Well, he probably has more people thinking about him more often than any other president. The loyalty of his die-hard fans has certainly also been demonstrated. The international estimate of the US has certainly taken a hit because of him, with the exception of, perhaps, Russia. I'm sure his fans take that as a point of pride.
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Well, he probably has more people thinking about him more often than any other president. The loyalty of his die-hard fans has certainly also been demonstrated. The international estimate of the US has certainly taken a hit because of him, with the exception of, perhaps, Russia. I'm sure his fans take that as a point of pride.
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Just a couple of posts that require thinking Before Lois Lerner Targeted the Tea Party, She Helped the Clinton Foundation http://dailysignal.com/2017/05/16/lois-lerner-targeted-tea-party-helped-clinton-foundation?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tds-twCNN obsessed: 92 percent of airtime on Trump, 96 critics to 7 supporters http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-obsessed-92-percent-of-airtime-on-trump-96-critics-to-7-supporters/article/2623254American University blocks whites from cafe designated as ‘sanctuary’ for nonwhites https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32607/This last video is very interesting and I recommend watching it till the end. Gowdy surprisingly praises Comey but the last interchange between the host and Gowdy. Trey Gowdy Stops Just Short Of Calling Collusion On The Clintons And The DOJ [VIDEO] http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/16/gowdy-clinton-doj-connections-run-deep-video/I only take away from that that you are suggesting that there were more entanglements between the Clintons and perhaps the Justice Department than everyone understands,” McCallum guessed. “You’re very perceptive,” Gowdy confirmed.
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Even Trump said signing Ex Orders was the signal of a weak president. He can't do anything yet legislatively. The CBO score for the House plan wasn't given time because they knew it would be brutal. Now Medicaid is under attack slicing hundreds of millions and Price says it is an improvement. Would the Pentagon accept $800 million in cuts and accept that as a step up? Of course not.
Warrants and indictments will be coming soon for those around him. Already in motion surrounding Manafort and Flynn.
The Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City has paid record fines for not having anti money laundering protections in place. And they paid fines routinely since the early 2000's.
The Russian mob rents in Trump Tower in NY and has been under foreign and domestic surveillance for quite a while. Wait for the Bayrock case to become more public. Carter Page is on tape being recruited.
Firing three different people who are investigating the Russia connections is deeply suspicious. Then threatening/warning the former FBI director to be concerned about secret tapes is Nixonian. As a result he has pissed off the rank and file in the FBI who will now sing like Mariah Carey used to in making sure information is made public. As will our Intelligence partners who were first to raise the red flags.
Meanwhile he has taken trips to his resorts most weekends and golfed more than his predecessor even when he said he would not. His trips have cost taxpayers more in one year than Obama in 8 and he has not left the country yet.
He is not a good orator (not that being a good public speaker is a defining staple of a presidency). But he is good and whipping up a good frenzy at his rallies. His frequent repeating of adjectives shows a deficiency of the language. But knowing (second hand) that he has not read a book in its entirety during his adult life will exclude him from ever being called an intellect (W. Wilson) or a progressive thinker (Kennedy/Johnson).
His cabinet is filled with people who have no interest in improving the department they are charged with running but in completely destroying and setting back the clock two generations (DeVos-Education and Pruitt (EPA). Price himself is well documented to make trades in pharma stocks the day BEFORE legislation hits the books favoring the stock he just purchased.
Having the likes of Bannon, Miller in his ear are troubling. That fact that he does NOT have anyone to his daily routine who can represent opposing views will keep this administration from ever hearing the other perspectives to an issue. Something that virtually every administration seeks to hear in our lifetime. And when you realize Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich, deliberate purveyors of misinformation, enjoy mutual adulation you can see troubled waters. But even Anne Coulter is jumping ship as of two days ago.
We have hit interesting times. I do not think Trump will finish his first term.
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We have hit interesting times. I do not think Trump will finish his first term.
Even if I give you everything on your list against Trump that is not criminal in nature, he has still managed to keep his promises and add jobs, remove the penalties from government regulation and bring business back to US in 4 months really saving the people of the US billions maybe even trillions. As for how the cards will fall later it will be interesting.  I have hope for Trump that he will do the right thing for the middle class. I had no or little hope that any other of our presidents would, could or even care if they do or dont, do anything to benefit the middle class. A thought, the harder it is to move to or stay in the middle class the more we will have on government programs. Another thing why is the Federal reserve being one of the biggest purchasers of corporate stock these days http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/
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While I am not a Republican, I am glad Trump is the President and approve of the majority of his campaign agenda and his steps to keep his campaign promises
Irony that the Clinton camp so anti Comey is now so virulently anti Trump
It is a fact that the closer you get to seizing power the harder it is to wrest full control from the opposition
Winning the election is step one. The mid term election will be a windfall for anti democrats as the people will have had opportunity to gauge whether Trump has stayed on message. They will see the results of his efforts and will recognize what Bess Truman would not let Harry Truman call the stuff that comes out the back end of a horse is really the socialist controlled media.
The wall should be paid for in seized drug money and plans should be developed for the wall and the sensors that will show who is trying to dig below it.
The senate and house have to get together on health care or those who drag their feet will be out and the Republicans will have a supermajority.
The Democratic party left me, I shed no tears for them as they were and remain the party of enslavement
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Even Trump said signing Ex Orders was the signal of a weak president. He can't do anything yet legislatively. The CBO score for the House plan wasn't given time because they knew it would be brutal. Now Medicaid is under attack slicing hundreds of millions and Price says it is an improvement. Would the Pentagon accept $800 million in cuts and accept that as a step up? Of course not.
Warrants and indictments will be coming soon for those around him. Already in motion surrounding Manafort and Flynn.
The Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City has paid record fines for not having anti money laundering protections in place. And they paid fines routinely since the early 2000's.
The Russian mob rents in Trump Tower in NY and has been under foreign and domestic surveillance for quite a while. Wait for the Bayrock case to become more public. Carter Page is on tape being recruited.
Firing three different people who are investigating the Russia connections is deeply suspicious. Then threatening/warning the former FBI director to be concerned about secret tapes is Nixonian. As a result he has pissed off the rank and file in the FBI who will now sing like Mariah Carey used to in making sure information is made public. As will our Intelligence partners who were first to raise the red flags.
Meanwhile he has taken trips to his resorts most weekends and golfed more than his predecessor even when he said he would not. His trips have cost taxpayers more in one year than Obama in 8 and he has not left the country yet.
He is not a good orator (not that being a good public speaker is a defining staple of a presidency). But he is good and whipping up a good frenzy at his rallies. His frequent repeating of adjectives shows a deficiency of the language. But knowing (second hand) that he has not read a book in its entirety during his adult life will exclude him from ever being called an intellect (W. Wilson) or a progressive thinker (Kennedy/Johnson).
His cabinet is filled with people who have no interest in improving the department they are charged with running but in completely destroying and setting back the clock two generations (DeVos-Education and Pruitt (EPA). Price himself is well documented to make trades in pharma stocks the day BEFORE legislation hits the books favoring the stock he just purchased.
Having the likes of Bannon, Miller in his ear are troubling. That fact that he does NOT have anyone to his daily routine who can represent opposing views will keep this administration from ever hearing the other perspectives to an issue. Something that virtually every administration seeks to hear in our lifetime. And when you realize Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich, deliberate purveyors of misinformation, enjoy mutual adulation you can see troubled waters. But even Anne Coulter is jumping ship as of two days ago.
We have hit interesting times. I do not think Trump will finish his first term.
First, Medicaid. It needs to have hundreds of millions sliced from it. To the people that need it, great, but to the able bodied people that don't need it and waste the hell out of it, yeah. I work in healthcare and see the waste with Medicaid. I'll bet just in my hospital it is in the mid to high 10s of millions a year, and we ain't that big. Multiply that by the 1000s of hospitals nationwide there is some serious cash wasted there. Second, I'll bet most of the Casinos nationwide don't have the "Anti Money Laundering protections" in place, what exactly is that anyway??? Sounds like a Tax, sorry, a "fee", that the Casinos have to pay so Big Brother can invade their space. And they pay that extra tax, sorry, that "fine", for not letting the govt snoop. Can you prove the "Russian Mob" is renting out his hotel?? If Russia wanted to interfere and fix the elections, they would have done everything to get Hillary in there, not Trump. They could walk all over Hillary and gotten whatever they want from her, Remember who gave them 25% of our uranium??? Not just then but future rights to our Uranium also. Trump can deal with them. Hillary would be their puppet. Comey was a useless, bureaucrat POS and needed to go. The FBI is Redheaded Stepchild of law enforcement nowadays instead of the respected elite agency it was, because of him, and Lynch and all of the Clinton crap. Trump should release his tax returns when the Clinton Foundation opens up all the books. Trump hasn't been in there a year yet, and I don't think he's already outspent the Obama clan on travel and vacations. If you find some stats though I'd like to see them. Good speaker, who cares??? Actions speak louder than words. Ever hear Obama try to speak off the cuff, or have a non-prepared question thrown at him with no teleprompter???? He's shaking this place up, it needed to be shook up. Alot of the agencies and regulations got too bloated and out of hand, some agencies need to be gone, the swamp definitely needs draining, I'm not just dropping all this crap on the D side either. Look back to 2014 when the country shook things up, kicked out all those Ds and put a bunch of Rs in their place. What happened??? All those Rs that were going to shake crap up signed off on everything that Obama and the Ds wanted. What was one of the first things Paul Ryan did when he got in??? Completely sign off on Obamas WastUbus bill. We need to drain the swamp on both sides, Ryan, McCain, Grahm, etc. Want to fix Govt????? Short term Limits, Public service, no career politicians.
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My list of great presidents:
a) Jefferson: Founding father, wrote the declaration of independence, bought Louisiana from the French. The list goes on and on, the guy was a genius.
b) Ted: overall bad ass, got Panama. Helped to create lots of the National Parks.
c) Lincoln: led the country through a bloody war. Humble origins, made into POTUS.
d) FDR: led the country through the NY stock crash and against the Nazis.
e) 'Trail of the tears' Jackson: kind of a SOB, but he killed the Central bank.
Saying 'Trump is the most successful president in history' is a bad joke (or just looking to create fuss)?
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My list of great presidents: Saying 'Trump is the most successful president in history' is a bad joke (or just looking to create fuss)?
We will never know of Trumps true intentions 4 months into his presidency but so far he has done more to stop Obama's middle class killing laws and rules and to change the US back to the nation it once was than any other president. That to me is worth something. I think you need to research some of the men on your list a bit better. While most were considered decent men some had not so pure motives in their appointments. One of the men is Roosevelt that you admire. But did you know the following about him? I think a bit of research into organizations like the CFR and IMF might change your mind about the Roosevelt's in general. Another interesting question is who is one of the owners of the Federal Reserve bank. I am going to say this without malice, I personally think you have a romantic notion of the US because of what was built and allowed you to build a better life here than where you were from. I believe you were in good company with Obama who I also believe could not appreciate the US since he wasn't raised here. But when you start to look deeply into things it doesn't become so clear the intent that got you and many others here. Dont get me wrong the US is to me the greatest country in the world with many blessings that the greedy want to take away from the majority of people. But without the understanding of the direction that some are steering the US to and stopping those changes then we live in the moment. With the view as long as we get what we need we kick the can of change and responsibility down the road. Today we are living and seeing the result of this thinking. That is the greatest argument for Trump by the way. Beginning in his second term, President Roosevelt began to pack the Supreme Court with Masons. From 1937 to 1944, Roosevelt appointed nine justices, six of whom were Masons, and the other three espoused Masonic philosophy. From 1945 to 1953, Roosevelt's successor, President Harry S. Truman, another 33rd-degree Mason, appointed four justices, all Masons. Hence, of the thirteen appointments to the Supreme Court made by Masonic presidents over this period, ten were Freemasons. The next two appointments to the court, made by President Eisenhower, were also Masons. Beginning with President Roosevlet's appointments in 1941 and through the first three years of President Nixon's term (1971), Freemasons dominated the Supreme Court. These years marked an era of revolutionary liberalism and anti-Christian sentiment. The Masonic dominance of the court was as follows: 1941-46, five to four; 1946-49, seven to two; 1949-55, eight to one; 1956- 57, seven to two; 1957-58, six to three; 1958-62, seven to two; 1962-69, six to three; and 1969-71, five to four. It is no surprise that four Masons who were appointed to the Supreme Court by Roosevelt or Truman spoke in favor of the court- packing plan. These men were Hugo L. Black, James F. Byrnes, Sherman Minton, and Robert H. Jackson. Justice Jackson even admitted that he and those who shared Roosevelt's viewpoint on the Constitution had succeeded in their efforts to shape democracy in America through the appointment of "forward-looking" justices. Freemasonry's aim was to bring establishment-clause cases to the high court so they could be adjudicated by justices who shared the same Masonic philosophy of Church-State separation. Masonry succeeded. Beginning with the Everson decision in 1947, and for the next quarter century, the Supreme Court focused on establishment-clause cases. With its newfound enthusiasm for such cases, the court systematically eroded the Christian underpinnings of American government. The Masonic dominated court took the legal doctrine of stare decicis - which holds that a principle of law established by one judicial decision must be followed in another judicial decision - and threw it out the window. Judge Hugo Black the one that ruled on the separation of church and state and coined the phrase quoted Thomas Jefferson’s term “wall of separation” and further added his own opinion that the wall must be high and impregnable. First, it is a known fact that Justice Black was a member of the KKK, an organization that was known to be particularly bigoted towards Catholics and of course a member of the Masons. This one decision and declaration about the separation of church and state has haunted us today and allowed the change in society we see today. This although not proven is an interesting read also https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4740-pearl-harbor-hawaii-was-surprised-fdr-was-notGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt's took their ideas and turned them into money power and a dynasty “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” —David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
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I guess you forgot about Billy boy, even impeached he lived out his full presidency. There wasn't remorse like Nixon I guess. Impeachment of Bill Clinton Leading to the impeachment, Independent Counsel Ken Starr turned over documentation to the House Judiciary Committee. Chief Prosecutor David Schippers and his team reviewed the material and determined there was sufficient evidence to impeach the president. As a result, four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; two passed, making Clinton the second president to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson in 1868, and only the third against whom articles of impeachment had been brought before the full House for consideration (Richard Nixon resigned from the presidency in 1974, while an impeachment process against him was underway). On October 10, 1997, Starr's report on the death of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster, drafted largely by Starr's deputy Brett Kavanaugh, was released to the public by the Special Division. Ahh the sweet smell of success that surrounded the Clinton's even then, its a shame that the pawl of death always seems to be so close to them and those who cross them. What did I say about when a criminal is not prosecuted at first?
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 07:53:15 PM » |
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Will see if trillions of healthcare expense goes up or down?
If expenses go down in healthcare? who is going to foot the bill??? YES, it will be the normal Joe Blow being us normal folks who are already paying insane amounts of premiums with crazy high deductibles that have to be met first before anything kicks in for healthcare coverage.
When our kids were born 16-18 years ago, our healthcare insurance premiums were dirt cheap and basically paid 100% of our kids births with much better coverage and tons less deductibles. NOW, in todays world, it would cost an arm and a leg to cover a birth of a child.
Around here, hardly any decent companies to work for who have affordable healthcare premiums that I have seen recently.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 07:55:23 PM » |
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Well, I won't comment on masons and etc, but I would like to mention:
> I am going to say this without malice, I personally think you have a romantic notion of the US
Yep! I love this country and the ideas that founded it. I still believe in the American dream.
You can call me a romantic. :-)
> because of what was built and allowed you to build a better life here than where you were from.
Actually... I was able to save more money while living abroad than in SF Bay Area. I also had a better car (actually 2 4x4 turbo diesel trucks!), but not 3 motorcycles, so I call it even.
From a financial perspective, it was a bad idea to move to USA. It was only good for my career to build contacts and acquire more experience.
I'm afraid you might be jumping too fast to conclusions about my particular circumstances.
> I believe you were in good company with Obama who I also believe could not appreciate the US since > he wasn't raised here.
I can't comment on Obama, but I would say *precisely* because I was raised in another country (and was fortunate enough to travel quite a bit: Germany, France, Finland, UK, Canada, Korea, Belgium, Scotland, Brazil, etc), I can fully appreciate what is good and what is bad about USA as that gives me a wider frame of reference to compare.
That fact, added to the few places I visited in USA (Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, San Diego, Las Vegas, Miami, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc) and states I crossed by motorcycle (California, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada) allows me to say that I know USA (i.e. the territory) better than the average American.
What I can't possibly know is how USA used to be like, 30 years ago... 40 years ago and longer. Maybe I have a romantic view of how it was back in the day?
From what I reseached, life was pretty much really shitty in USA 40 years ago if you were: a) Women b) Black c) Gay d) Minority
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 08:59:32 PM » |
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So in all your research that seems to point to a bad life for those people then how did the US become a place of prosperity and a place you would want to be in today? What is driving the US to the changes we see today and since you have not been raised in the US how was it before you came? What was the moral values and what was the country founded on? You have alot to say about the current state of affairs but little to keeping the US on track and faithful to founding principles. To me that is an opportunist and not a patriot and that is what many are today. It is always a balancing act, things can never remain the same forever, but consistent change in line with founding principles without corruption and distortions is not what we have today, yet what many yearn for.
You can be adopted into a family or you can be part of the family which is it for you especially when you dont like some of the founding ideas or know what it really took to build that family? That is the difference with people who came here to Ellis island they were adopted at first then became part of the family. I dont see the opportunists doing that today.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 04:22:39 AM » |
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Well, it was the WAPO that started this mess with their false report in the first place. Why would anyone pay attention to that rag.
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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 06:18:31 AM » |
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From what I reseached, life was pretty much really shitty in USA 40 years ago if you were: a) Women b) Black c) Gay d) Minority
Let's see. Forty years ago was 1977. Your research is seriously flawed and your definition of "really shitty" is suspect. Sounds like perhaps you were doing your research from some seriously biased sources. I was here. You listed black, minority and gay. Is that not both redundant and repetitious?  There have been some improvements socially and legally and some erroneous changes made over the past years. I'd be interested in someone's statistics on how a couple of those groups are better off now than they were some forty years ago (financially?). All that said, the title of the thread is a bit overstated but the President has done quite a lot in his first few months.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 09:25:30 AM » |
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In the first 90 to 100 days of the Trump Administration, he has created 400,000 real jobs, put 50,000 coal miners back to work, rebuilt the steel industry, saved over $85 billion in small business regulatory costs, finished two stalled pipeline projects, put a Supreme Court Justice on the bench for the next 45 years, repealed obammycare socialized commie medicine, and signed almost 30 executive orders repealing almost 100% of obammy's legacy. Not bad. All "Little Barry Soetero" did was to put us $20 trillion in debt. Of course President Trump is the most successful President in American history.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 10:08:56 AM » |
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I don't think your track record of predictions has much credibility on this board. Given your track record. It is actually quite laughable. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 10:13:56 AM » |
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All that said, the title of the thread is a bit overstated but the President has done quite a lot in his first few months.
A bit overstated ?  You are almost as funny as Robert is. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 10:37:18 AM » |
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And Reuters has just published that there were 18 undisclosed contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia in the final months of the 2016 campaign.
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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2017, 10:45:51 AM » |
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In the first 90 to 100 days of the Trump Administration, he has created 400,000 real jobs, put 50,000 coal miners back to work, rebuilt the steel industry, saved over $85 billion in small business regulatory costs, finished two stalled pipeline projects, put a Supreme Court Justice on the bench for the next 45 years, repealed obammycare socialized commie medicine, and signed almost 30 executive orders repealing almost 100% of obammy's legacy. Not bad. All "Little Barry Soetero" did was to put us $20 trillion in debt. Of course President Trump is the most successful President in American history.
Whatever you're drinking, I want some. You've taken that hook line and sinker all the way down....wow 
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2017, 10:49:38 AM » |
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The media is so unhinged. You would think this president got our ambassador killed... Or gave uranium to Russia... Or used a private server and gave classified information stolen by 5 enemy countries... Or spied upon the opposition party and unmasked them... Or took millions from foreign countries for pay to play... Or gave over 33 billion in gold to Iran...helped Russians sell uranium to Iran...supported ISIL with guns and money. And they want to impeach Trump because he is mentally unstable.
And that's the short list
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2017, 11:01:48 AM » |
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All that said, the title of the thread is a bit overstated but the President has done quite a lot in his first few months.
A bit overstated ?  You are almost as funny as Robert is.  Rob, perhaps now is the time to check both your sense of humor and your understanding of the English language. An amount of success or failure is not based upon your, or anyone else's approval, but only upon a comparison of intent to actual completion. There is also the measurement used. Changes? Number of executive orders enacted? Number of new laws enacted? Number of appointees approved? I suspect the OP may have been referring to the number of campaign promises on which he has followed through. I did acknowledge it was overstated. The degree of overstatement I'm sure is dependent upon some perspective. Yours and mine are not the same. I find mine much more realistic.
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2017, 11:14:04 AM » |
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All that said, the title of the thread is a bit overstated but the President has done quite a lot in his first few months.
A bit overstated ?  You are almost as funny as Robert is.  Rob, perhaps now is the time to check both your sense of humor and your understanding of the English language. An amount of success or failure is not based upon your, or anyone else's approval, but only upon a comparison of intent to actual completion. There is also the measurement used. Changes? Number of executive orders enacted? Number of new laws enacted? Number of appointees approved? I suspect the OP may have been referring to the number of campaign promises on which he has followed through. I did acknowledge it was overstated. The degree of overstatement I'm sure is dependent upon some perspective. Yours and mine are not the same. I find mine much more realistic. I find your views more realistic also 
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 11:36:48 AM » |
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All that said, the title of the thread is a bit overstated but the President has done quite a lot in his first few months.
A bit overstated ?  You are almost as funny as Robert is.  Rob, perhaps now is the time to check both your sense of humor and your understanding of the English language. An amount of success or failure is not based upon your, or anyone else's approval, but only upon a comparison of intent to actual completion. There is also the measurement used. Changes? Number of executive orders enacted? Number of new laws enacted? Number of appointees approved? I suspect the OP may have been referring to the number of campaign promises on which he has followed through. I did acknowledge it was overstated. The degree of overstatement I'm sure is dependent upon some perspective. Yours and mine are not the same. I find mine much more realistic. You are correct. I suspect it is very dependent on ones perspective . 
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2017, 11:40:50 AM » |
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You are correct. I suspect it is very dependent on ones perspective .  One's. 
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2017, 11:58:22 AM » |
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yeah,, but no one's is as realistic as mine. 
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2017, 12:02:27 PM » |
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You are correct. I suspect it is very dependent on ones perspective .  One's.  Not Two's ? ???
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2017, 12:19:43 PM » |
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The media is so unhinged. You would think this president got our ambassador killed... Or gave uranium to Russia... Or used a private server and gave classified information stolen by 5 enemy countries... Or spied upon the opposition party and unmasked them... Or took millions from foreign countries for pay to play... Or gave over 33 billion in gold to Iran...helped Russians sell uranium to Iran...supported ISIL with guns and money. And they want to impeach Trump because he is mentally unstable.
And that's the short list
Don't forget directly or indirectly responsible for dozens of murders. That's a biggie.
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2017, 12:43:44 PM » |
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The media is so unhinged. You would think this president got our ambassador killed... Or gave uranium to Russia... Or used a private server and gave classified information stolen by 5 enemy countries... Or spied upon the opposition party and unmasked them... Or took millions from foreign countries for pay to play... Or gave over 33 billion in gold to Iran...helped Russians sell uranium to Iran...supported ISIL with guns and money. And they want to impeach Trump because he is mentally unstable.
And that's the short list
Don't forget directly or indirectly responsible for dozens of murders. That's a biggie. Why do you think I said it was the shortlist?
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