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Cholesterol Is Not the Culprit: A Guide to Preventing Heart Disease Fred A. Kummerow, PhD with Jean M. Kummerow, PhD https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/thumbs-up-reviews/cholesterol-is-not-the-culprit/It’s industrial fats and oils, not cholesterol and natural saturated fats, that cause heart disease and Kummerow delineates the fruits of his decades of labor in this short volume. Kummerow explains how both hardened trans fats and rancid liquid oils lead to a train of biochemical events that result in hardened arteries. What hardens the arteries is not cholesterol but calcium, which is built into the endothelial cells under certain conditions, namely the consumption of industrial fats and oils, along with nutrient deficiencies. Kummerow is particularly critical of efforts to lower cholesterol. He points out that by taking drugs to lower cholesterol, the capacity to make new cells needed by our bodies is diminished. Normal cholesterol in our food and bodies is not the culprit, but oxidized cholesterol—created by polyunsaturated oils and encouraged in diets low in protein, natural fat, vitamin D, B vitamins and magnesium, is the villain in the process that leads to hardened arteries and heart disease.
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2017, 06:36:02 PM » |
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Cholesterol Is Not the Culprit: A Guide to Preventing Heart Disease Fred A. Kummerow, PhD with Jean M. Kummerow, PhD https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/thumbs-up-reviews/cholesterol-is-not-the-culprit/It’s industrial fats and oils, not cholesterol and natural saturated fats, that cause heart disease and Kummerow delineates the fruits of his decades of labor in this short volume. Kummerow explains how both hardened trans fats and rancid liquid oils lead to a train of biochemical events that result in hardened arteries. What hardens the arteries is not cholesterol but calcium, which is built into the endothelial cells under certain conditions, namely the consumption of industrial fats and oils, along with nutrient deficiencies. Kummerow is particularly critical of efforts to lower cholesterol. He points out that by taking drugs to lower cholesterol, the capacity to make new cells needed by our bodies is diminished. Normal cholesterol in our food and bodies is not the culprit, but oxidized cholesterol—created by polyunsaturated oils and encouraged in diets low in protein, natural fat, vitamin D, B vitamins and magnesium, is the villain in the process that leads to hardened arteries and heart disease. Just an aside, so to speak. Somewhat related. Was recently a Ride Captain for a PGR mission. One of my asst. Ride Captains is a retired surgeon. Group of us were shootin' the bull and medical stuff came up. I told the Doc, "You know, I feel good then I get my labs done and the Docs tell me I'm all messed up then they put me on a bunch of meds to get me better then I feel like crap." This was done in a humorous vein. We all were laughing it up. Then Doc gets serious. Tells us when he was practicing, the first thing he did as a surgeon would get his patients off all the meds he could. He said "All that stuff is poison. It is poison to something" He told us about his 90+ year old mother. She was in failing health. He said he took a look at her meds and told her to stop taking many of them. She bounced back in a couple weeks and was sharp and energetic for years after. Said people are different. Sometimes the lab work shouldn't matter. Or at least the standards shouldn't be so strict for some people in some cases. But my wife is a pharmacy tech so I must live better through chemistry.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2017, 11:33:50 AM » |
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Pharmaceuticals no doubt save and extend many lives.
Still, I see it as more of a highly profitable business than medicine.
Every time I a see an add that says our dope is better then theirs it reminds me of my college days. And does not inspire me with confidence in any dope.
Moderation in all things is a good plan.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2017, 01:16:29 PM » |
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Pharmaceuticals no doubt save and extend many lives.
Still, I see it as more of a highly profitable business than medicine.
Every time I a see an add that says our dope is better then theirs it reminds me of my college days. And does not inspire me with confidence in any dope.
Moderation in all things is a good plan.
they whoever they are have poisoned the food system, but no worries they have antidotes (drugs, treatments) to keep u alive and profitable to them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2017, 03:13:11 PM » |
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Don't give me up quite yet, I'm still breathen. Besides inhearting a bad heart i think it's all the crap they put in the food before it gets to the table that's killing us an largely not just us with bad hearts.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2017, 03:19:22 PM » |
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Don't give me up quite yet, I'm still breathen. Besides inhearting a bad heart i think it's all the crap they put in the food before it gets to the table that's killing us an largely not just us with bad hearts.
u might need more magnesium, something they don't like to tell u. although anybody brought in today with a heart attack is given mag drip, until the person is stabilized and sent on their way. http://mgwater.com/listc.shtml#heart
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2017, 03:38:50 PM » |
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My understanding one of our biggest enemies is Sugar and Artificial Sweeteners. We talk about food and the chemicals in them, we tend to forget things we may deal with on a daily bases. How about air fresheners, household cleaners and sanitizer or lotions and chemicals we put on our bodies. How many times have we checked the labels of things for toxic ingredients in them. So think about that!
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2017, 03:40:47 PM » |
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I happen to agree. I don't stay at Holiday Inn Express' very often though.
But there has been quite a bit of research on Alzheimers that seems to lead to low cholesterol levels. It seems the brain needs a certain amount of fat. I guess everything in our body likes some nice soft non sticky fat.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2017, 04:05:13 PM » |
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I'm 89 years old, my cholesterol is 160, I'm not diabetic, I use only olive oil for cooking, I eat pistachios occasionally. I do have high blood pressure but it's controlled. My wife was on 17 different meds when she passed. That was BS!. I grew up when supposedly almost everything we did then is now bad for us and I'm still here. IMO, good genes, exercise, luck, and maybe healthy living (whatever that's supposed to be these days) help in aging. Am I in good shape? Relative to who? 
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2017, 04:37:56 PM » |
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I'm 89 years old, my cholesterol is 160, I'm not diabetic, I use only olive oil for cooking, I eat pistachios occasionally. I do have high blood pressure but it's controlled. My wife was on 17 different meds when she passed. That was BS!. I grew up when supposedly almost everything we did then is now bad for us and I'm still here. IMO, good genes, exercise, luck, and maybe healthy living (whatever that's supposed to be these days) help in aging. Am I in good shape? Relative to who?  89! God Bless you. look into systemic enzymes, which will clear the fibrin from the kidneys and lower BP. I take https://www.gardenoflife.com/content/product/wobenzym-n/http://www.systemicenzymes.net/http://www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/WhatAreSystemicEnzymes.htmalso look into the magnesium/calcium balance for lower BP http://mgwater.com/listd.shtml#hyper
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2017, 05:48:49 PM » |
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98valk, magnesium is way over my head. Did some diging on that and it does sound like something to ask the heart Doc about the next time in to see him. Thanks. I was awarded 2000mg of Ranexa a day for heart pain but don't see much result from solid pain. Thinkin Doc made wrong call for the solid pain in my chest or my heart is really crap. Mostly crap. Last year I took my 37 yr old son to the Hosp and they gave him 2 nitro an two shots of morfine before he started feeling better.Then they made a decision to move him to another Hosp an then the the Doc got off his ass an came in for a statement. Son got a stint an one small vessel was closed off. Sorry to jump on here about this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2017, 06:10:14 PM » |
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98valk, magnesium is way over my head. Did some diging on that and it does sound like something to ask the heart Doc about the next time in to see him. Thanks. I was awarded 2000mg of Ranexa a day for heart pain but don't see much result from solid pain. Thinkin Doc made wrong call for the solid pain in my chest or my heart is really crap. Mostly crap. Last year I took my 37 yr old son to the Hosp and they gave him 2 nitro an two shots of morfine before he started feeling better.Then they made a decision to move him to another Hosp an then the the Doc got off his ass an came in for a statement. Son got a stint an one small vessel was closed off. Sorry to jump on here about this.
if the doctor is not trained in nutrition, one class in med school doesn't cut it, it will be like asking a question to a wall. avoid all high fructose corn syrup, its in just about all breads, cakes, cookies. etc., it depletes the body of magnesium and other minerals. checkout the mgwater site. All based on Dr Seeligs work, whereas she proved approx 95% of heart problems are caused by low mag levels. all muscles esp the heart need mag to function. It is not in a lot foods. reason bone broth soups and/or soups made with the bones in where a mainstay of families diets. the mag from the bones becomes highly absorable. she passed a few yrs ago, she was in her late 90s. there recently has been a female doc on PBS promoting the health/healing benefits on bone soup. if u search there are actually companies that sell it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2017, 06:21:24 PM » |
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I sleep with a big chunk of magnesium under my pillow every night. My heart should be good. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2017, 06:28:16 PM » |
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My LDL is over 400, is that bad?  Yah, yah, should be under 200 
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2017, 06:53:44 PM » |
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My LDL is over 400, is that bad?  Yah, yah, should be under 200 :'( what's your particle size? latest research... Large LDL particles are not harmful. Only small dense LDL particles can potentially be a problem, as they can squeeze through the lining of your arteries. If they oxidize, they can cause damage and inflammation. Thus, it would be more accurate to say that there are “good” and “bad” lipoproteins (as opposed to good and bad cholesterol). Dr. Stephen Sinatra, a board-certified cardiologist, and Chris Kresser, L.Ac, a licensed integrative medicine clinician, have both addressed this issue in previous interviews. Some groups, such as the National Lipid Association (NLA), are now starting to shift the focus toward LDL particle number instead of total and LDL cholesterol, in order to better assess your heart disease risk. But it still has not hit mainstream. As noted in the featured article: “Consequently, you may have blood teeming with the less alarming large particle LDL, and still get signed up for a statin. And with the new controversial – and in my book dangerous – ‘wider net’ guidelines proposed by American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association, expect that to happen a lot more. The new guidelines6 will make an estimated additional 15 million more adults (plus a few kids as well) ‘eligible’ to take statins in an effort to drug down their numbers, regardless of what type of LDL they have.” #4: Dig Deeper into Your Risk Factors... Fortunately, once you know about particle size numbers, you can take control of your health and either ask your doctor for this test, or order it yourself. Kresser recommends using the NMR LipoProfile. All major labs offer it, including LabCorp and Quest. As noted by Dr. Lipman, if your doctor tells you your cholesterol is too high based on the standard lipid profile, getting a more complete picture is important—especially if you have a family history of heart disease or other risk factors. He writes: “Press your doctor to review and assess the other often overlooked but possibly more important factors that can shed a brighter light on your unique situation – namely tests which look at hs-C-reactive protein, particle sizes of the LDL cholesterol (sometimes called NMR Lipoprofile), Lipoprotein (a) and serum fibrinogen. These measurable physical clues will help fill in a few more pieces of the puzzle, and enable you and your doctor to develop a more customized program to help manage your risk, with or without cholesterol drugs. If your doc’s not interested in looking under the medical hood, then it may be time to switch to a new mechanic.” http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/01/12/7-factors-cholesterol-levels.aspx
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2017, 12:45:18 PM » |
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It should be kept in mind that each person's body is different and reacts differently to meds and other inputs.. As we age, we become even more different. If we were all uniform like cars, it would make a docs job easier. Some doctors don't understand that. At my age, for instance, like many seniors, I no longer can get a straight through 8 hours of sleep. I recently found that if I take 1/2 Excedrin, which has 45 mg of caffeine, I can get to sleep faster. Caffeine is a stimulant and is not recommended after 6PM or so..............but it works for me. I will not take sleeping pills in any form. I'm really not into trying to figure things out. I take a multiple vitamin and that's it. I'm not into supplements. I'll continue on like I have been. My mental ability is still there ,my physical ability is not as good, but my quality of Life is OK yet. Like I said, I'll keep doing what I've been doing. I find it amusing that anyone that would advise me to do something else is younger than me. 
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2017, 07:39:09 AM » |
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My Doc did a "Berkley" blood test years ago. I have the small sticky LDL. Note to self: Ride more!
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2017, 07:51:23 AM » |
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My only advice is this: Enjoy what time you have left on the earth. Family first, be responsible for your decisions and pull your own weight. Lastly, a happy wife leads to a much happier life. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2017, 08:04:46 AM » |
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My only advice is this: Enjoy what time you have left on the earth. Family first, be responsible for your decisions and pull your own weight. Lastly, a happy wife leads to a much happier life.  Boy, I'll sure go along with that !
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