Again, the Disrupter

[solo1]

But I won't bite 

[Gavin_Sons]

I called it, it got pulled. Congratulations 

[MAD6Gun]

 Well that didn't take long.....lol....

[Psychotic Bovine]

Any political posting that isn't far right gets pulled.

Not sure about anyone else, but I have seen a lot of left leaning posts not get deleted.  Maybe it's a lack of tact and diplomacy on some.  I honestly don't know.  I know I have had posts pulled, but I don't whine  about it.

[Valkorado]

Any political posting that isn't far right gets pulled.

Believe I've had a post or two axed as well.  Ironically, they were in response to you.  Rules are rules, and if you act like an asshole your posts will get pulled.

[Karen]

All this talk of post pullin' is makin' me think...
 

[Wizzard]

All this talk of post pullin' is makin' me think...
 

 

[John Schmidt]

All this talk of post pullin' is makin' me think...
 

Awww....Karen!  LMAO.   

[Gryphon Rider]

All this talk of post pullin' is makin' me think...
 

I know:

[hubcapsc]

Those things might work some places, but not in South Carolina red clay, not when it
hasn't rained in a while. My neighbor saw me trying to yank out a few t-posts with
one of those, and he came over with his Bobcat he'd made a puller attachment for.
It worked, but some posts took more than one try and it lifted the back-end of his
Bobcat a foot off the ground each time...

-Mike "I missed the pulled post... "

[Willow]

Pulled posts -  I don't make a habit of explaining myself.  I'm not interested in getting into an argument about how the board should or should not be administered.  I will make a short exception.

We have rules against personal attack.  When a poster begins to name-call or attack specifically o0r in general members of this board the post will likely be pulled along with any post that quotes the attack.  This is regardless of the political or social agenda of the poster.

If a thread is denigrated into becoming an exchange of name calling and seriously intellectually flawed accusations then I will choose to either remove the offending posts, lock the thread, or remove the thread.

If you don't like the way the board is administered you do have the option of communication with the VRCC staff.  You do not have the option of spreading your discontent on the board itself.  If you really have serious concerns about the corporate intellect of the VRCC or the acceptability of the conversations on the board you may establish your own message board.  The software is free and the cost of the website is not that much.  It is more than you pay for this one.

All that said, you can discuss almost anything on the general board if you can do so with proper respect.  If you can't you can't. 

[Robert]

Thats pretty cool I had never seen one before is that called a Willow  no seriously that is pretty cool.

[old2soon]

After I had a post pulled recently I now KNOW Now NOT to use buffoon and turd.  RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you can't you can't. 

At the risk of exposing my ineptitude in grammar, did you forget a comma ?

[Willow]

If you can't you can't. 

At the risk of exposing my ineptitude in grammar, did you forget a comma ?

A comma would designate a pause and certainly could be used there but in my opinion is not required.  I tend to over use commas so leaving one unplaced from time to time probably doesn't get my average down much.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you can't you can't. 

At the risk of exposing my ineptitude in grammar, did you forget a comma ?

A comma would designate a pause and certainly could be used there but in my opinion is not required.  I tend to over use commas so leaving one unplaced from time to time probably doesn't get my average down much.   

I know I overuse them. 

[Daddie O]

My post neither name-called, nor attacked any member specifically or generally.  As far as my accusation towards the right, you choose to call it intellectually flawed, and that is your opinion, but as I asserted you think any opposing political viewpoint is intellectually flawed and you remove it.  I see most political posts from the right as intellectually flawed, and I don't have the right to remove them, and if I did have the right to remove them I wouldn't exercise that right. 

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.  There is a plethora of posts that not only espouse right-leaning politics, but blatantly denigrate those on the left, and you have no problem with those posts whatsoever.

I'm sure you will delete this post as well, but hopefully before you do, others will see this post, and as often happens I will get personal messages of support for standing up to the bullying on this board.

[Gavin_Sons]

My post neither name-called, nor attacked any member specifically or generally.  As far as my accusation towards the right, you choose to call it intellectually flawed, and that is your opinion, but as I asserted you think any opposing political viewpoint is intellectually flawed and you remove it.  I see most political posts from the right as intellectually flawed, and I don't have the right to remove them, and if I did have the right to remove them I wouldn't exercise that right. 

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.  There is a plethora of posts that not only espouse right-leaning politics, but blatantly denigrate those on the left, and you have no problem with those posts whatsoever.

I'm sure you will delete this post as well, but hopefully before you do, others will see this post, and as often happens I will get personal messages of support for standing up to the bullying on this board.

So lumping all conservatives in the same box and calling them whatever you called them (us) isn't general name calling? Even meathead took notice to this amd said it was not right of you to do. And I applaud him for that.

[Willow]

My post neither name-called, nor attacked any member specifically or generally.  As far as my accusation towards the right, you choose to call it intellectually flawed, ...

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.  ...

You did indeed practice the calling names and did specifically attack others on this board. 

Apparently you don't bother to read the board enough to what I do remove.  I remove posts both of those who agree with me politically and those who have viewpoints opposed to mine.

I wonder how you are so insightful as to know what does and what does not bother me?

[The emperor has no clothes]

My post neither name-called, nor attacked any member specifically or generally.  As far as my accusation towards the right, you choose to call it intellectually flawed, and that is your opinion, but as I asserted you think any opposing political viewpoint is intellectually flawed and you remove it.  I see most political posts from the right as intellectually flawed, and I don't have the right to remove them, and if I did have the right to remove them I wouldn't exercise that right. 

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.  There is a plethora of posts that not only espouse right-leaning politics, but blatantly denigrate those on the left, and you have no problem with those posts whatsoever.

I'm sure you will delete this post as well, but hopefully before you do, others will see this post, and as often happens I will get personal messages of support for standing up to the bullying on this board.

So lumping all conservatives in the same box and calling them whatever you called them (us) isn't general name calling? Even meathead took notice to this amd said it was not right of you to do. And I applaud him for that.

I did, and I stand by that. But what many conservatives here don't seem to get or don't care is that, liberals are called names here just about daily. I see little complaining about that. As I said earlier, this is predominately a conservative leaning group. Some would like us liberals to just leave altogether. There are still many willing to tolerate us. For the record, Daddie O made many valid points. I just wouldn't say you are all like that. (Willow, too many commas ?)

[Rams]

Dang it, I missed all the excitement....................

I get all excited when Carl mis-uses a comma............. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dang it, I missed all the excitement....................

I get all excited when Carl mis-uses a comma............. 

You are easily amused though Ron. (misuses)

[Rams]

Dang it, I missed all the excitement....................

I get all excited when Carl mis-uses a comma............. 

You are easily amused though Ron. (misuses)

You don't even know half the story on how easily I am amused....................   

[Moonshot_1]

For your amusement!

[Gavin_Sons]

For your amusement!

Hey, we have 3 of those. The chameleon,  not the comma. 

[Jess from VA]

I for one would again like to thank Carl for doing the thankless job of moderating and general housecleaning for this great forum of mostly great people.  He tells us that he is not the only one who takes action here, but he is the only face and writer we hear from.  

I appreciate that we are allowed a fairly wide open General section to discuss nearly anything we feel like (many bike and other specific subject forums do not, and will not allow it).  Most all other forums I have been a member of in the past have died or are slowly dying out for lack of participation, but not VRCC.  

While it may be true that the merely non-motorcycle related up to political discussions have driven some away (and that is something any moderator should be tuned in to), I think that the open General section does much more good for the forum than harm, overall.  It lets us talk about all manner of things many are interested in, it lets us tap the really great level of mature experience in almost every profession and trade and all manner of special skills, and it lets us get to know each other better and create a better and more lasting community.  

I think any regular member would agree that Carl is pretty lenient and judicious with his use of the ax (and the written reprimand).  I never see him act only in one political direction.  He only acts when people violate the written rules, and more specifically, when people stray from discussing or even arguing facts and policies, and start calling names or using other demeaning or vitriolic language directed at members or at all you conservatives, or all you liberals (who are all members).

Most political posts are begun with a link to an article and in reference to some new or ongoing news event.  This is an invitation to discuss the event or article.  And we do.  And since some of the subjects are hotly contested, strike emotional cords and core values, or effect our direction as a county, the discussion can get testy.  Testy is OK, if you keep to the facts and logic of your arguments and not personally attack or demean your opponent(s).  It is OK to criticize the G, politicians (individually or as a class), policies, laws, programs, taxes, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, lawyers and other hoodlums, etc.  It is not OK to demean each other or segments of the membership in your arguments.

The way to not start a political post (or any other subject at all really), is to wade in throwing down the gauntlet and condescendingly damning everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view (esp when you know to a certainty that the majority of people here will absolutely not agree with you).  That is not an invitation to a discussion, it is an invitation to a brawl (and tantamount to the fighting words doctrine of old).  Especially by someone who visits only very rarely, and never participates or contributes anything meaningful in any other motorcycle or non-political threads.

Thanks Carl.  

  

[DDT (12)]

Well said, Jess... Yes indeed, THANKS CARL!!!

DDT

[Oss]

Jess, dont you just hate it when another lawyer agrees with you?

 

+2 by the way   

[solo1]

Interesting that I said "The Disrupter" and everyone knew who I meant. 

[MP]

Interesting that I said "The Disrupter" and everyone knew who I meant. 

Pretty easy!

[Hook#3287]

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.

I went back and looked at the hundreds of left leaning (FULL TILTING) posts, in your profile, that proves this statement incorrect.  (Too many commas?)

Some would like us liberals to just leave altogether. There are still many willing to tolerate us.

Glad you've got a strong back bone, I'd miss you're respectful, usually comedic opposing view. (Not enough commas?)

[Robert]

I found someone else that is in agreement with Daddio's view of things and I think he would appreciate this. This is the problem though, I and most here would never agree with this thinking and it comes from a person that carries a label of socialist. Putting a label on it seems to make things easier to appreciate that the posts from Daddio are most always going to be in contradiction to the thinking on this board and would be easier to take in small bits not with a aggressive or inflaming stance. Which I believe he did with the post that was deleted, he knows exactly what he is doing and does not post much of anything else. It almost represents the divide in the country today.

When the middle class doesn't have to they don't say much, most just put their heads down and do what is necessary. When Trump came in it was not only a slap in the face for the left since they had been steam rolling along knowing how unpopular their agenda had been but it also stopped the momentum. So it was a double slap in essence, and they did not see it coming. Heck they dont even consider anyone else's feelings and living standards when building their utopia so why would they consider the possibility of being stopped a real option from those just plugging along in life. The appearance of apathy was taken as a sign of submissiveness and that is where the real division in this country and on this board is what we see.

They forgot that the ones plugging along love this country, the people, and they have compassion on those that deserve it and a fighting spirit to those that deserve it. I think the push to change was explosive in that Obama loaded all the bases in fighting back. The one he couldn't load and yet tried was the vote. Thank God for that. They are not the majority either and if the truth and final destination and results of their plans could be revealed there would be many more not in agreement with their policies. History is also against the idea of this form of government ever being a good thing. Hence history is not taught in schools.

So to kind of recap we have a label for Daddio, by comparison to his statements and ideals of those that mirror them. We also have the idea that the two are like oil and water, that never really mix and so we also understand a few others on this board. The idea that the post was posted to incite and when addressing these posts need to be done with this in mind.

I love the last lines about resistance, thanks to all that see and stay faithful to the Constitution, and the founding principles of this country and thanks to Willow and others here.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/bernie-sanders-the-republican-party-is-really-a-right-wing-extremist-party/

Bernie Sanders: ‘The Republican Party is really a right-wing extremist’ party
en. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said this week that the Republican Party under President Donald Trump is actually a “right-wing extremist” party.

The German newspaper Die Zeit asked Sanders about the troubling political climate in the United States.

“The Republican Party is really right-wing extremist,” Sanders said, according to a translation provided by Google.

“I can only say to our European friends that we are working 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to give this man a strong opposition,” Sanders told the paper. “I think we’re making progress.”

The former Democratic presidential candidate also said that Trump had “incredibly strong grassroots opposition,” adding, “and I believe this will increase.”

[Gryphon Rider]

Most of the ugliness of political discussion comes from the attribution of impure motives to those of opposing political views, changing the discussion from being about ideas and solutions to being about character assassination.  This is compounded with our sense of self-importance that will not abide any perceived slight, intended or unintended.  Opposing political leaders are demonized, and leaders representing our views are canonized.  Very little critical self-examination of our motives or our political views is done, and even less examination of the injustices that motivate the policies of our opponents is attempted.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Interesting that I said "The Disrupter" and everyone knew who I meant.  

Even tbe person whom you may or may not have been describing by the descriptor of "The Disruptor".

[The emperor has no clothes]

Most of the ugliness of political discussion comes from the attribution of impure motives to those of opposing political views, changing the discussion from being about ideas and solutions to being about character assassination.  This is compounded with our sense of self-importance that will not abide any perceived slight, intended or unintended.  Opposing political leaders are demonized, and leaders representing our views are canonized.  Very little critical self-examination of our motives or our political views is done, and even less examination of the injustices that motivate the policies of our opponents is attempted.

I think you hit the nail on the head.  

Willow, you have the power as an admin to delete posts, and you do not use that power judiciously.  You use it simply to silence those with opposing viewpoints.

I went back and looked at the hundreds of left leaning (FULL TILTING) posts, in your profile, that proves this statement incorrect.  (Too many commas?)

Some would like us liberals to just leave altogether. There are still many willing to tolerate us.

Glad you've got a strong back bone, I'd miss you're respectful, usually comedic opposing view. (Not enough commas?)

Thanks Bill. It's probably more stubbornness than back bone though.   (perfect punctuation) 

[Daddie O]

When the middle class doesn't have to they don't say much, most just put their heads down and do what is necessary. When Trump came in it was not only a slap in the face for the left since they had been steam rolling along knowing how unpopular their agenda had been but it also stopped the momentum. So it was a double slap in essence, and they did not see it coming. Heck they dont even consider anyone else's feelings and living standards when building their utopia so why would they consider the possibility of being stopped a real option from those just plugging along in life. The appearance of apathy was taken as a sign of submissiveness and that is where the real division in this country and on this board is what we see.

They forgot that the ones plugging along love this country, the people, and they have compassion on those that deserve it and a fighting spirit to those that deserve it. I think the push to change was explosive in that Obama loaded all the bases in fighting back. The one he couldn't load and yet tried was the vote. Thank God for that. They are not the majority either and if the truth and final destination and results of their plans could be revealed there would be many more not in agreement with their policies. History is also against the idea of this form of government ever being a good thing. Hence history is not taught in schools.

The former Democratic presidential candidate also said that Trump had “incredibly strong grassroots opposition,” adding, “and I believe this will increase.”

A few issues here.  In direct opposition to your assertions, the agenda of the left is popular, and the left is the majority as evidenced by attaining about 3 million more votes in this last election.  Facts are facts.  If not for the archaic Electoral College which gives far too much power to states with small populations, Bush Jr and Trump would not have been elected.  If 10 of us were deciding where to eat lunch and 6 voted for pizza, and 4 voted for tacos, it would be inaccurate to say tacos were the majority. It also wouldn't be fair to go for tacos when more people voted for pizza.  The Democratic Party is the main party that considers people's living standards, and fights to improve them.  The Republican Party considers the bottom line for multinational corporations as it's primary metric when making policy.  Also, your statement that "history is against the idea of this form of government" is another false assertion.  By just about any measurable metric ie academic test scores, infant mortality, medical outcomes, quality of life, America gets resoundingly beaten by nearly every 1st world country.

[MarkT]

For your amusement!

Do you really want to hurt me?


On the other hand, I'd like my post pulled.  Not by Boy George however.   It's been awhile...

[Gavin_Sons]

When the middle class doesn't have to they don't say much, most just put their heads down and do what is necessary. When Trump came in it was not only a slap in the face for the left since they had been steam rolling along knowing how unpopular their agenda had been but it also stopped the momentum. So it was a double slap in essence, and they did not see it coming. Heck they dont even consider anyone else's feelings and living standards when building their utopia so why would they consider the possibility of being stopped a real option from those just plugging along in life. The appearance of apathy was taken as a sign of submissiveness and that is where the real division in this country and on this board is what we see.

They forgot that the ones plugging along love this country, the people, and they have compassion on those that deserve it and a fighting spirit to those that deserve it. I think the push to change was explosive in that Obama loaded all the bases in fighting back. The one he couldn't load and yet tried was the vote. Thank God for that. They are not the majority either and if the truth and final destination and results of their plans could be revealed there would be many more not in agreement with their policies. History is also against the idea of this form of government ever being a good thing. Hence history is not taught in schools.

The former Democratic presidential candidate also said that Trump had “incredibly strong grassroots opposition,” adding, “and I believe this will increase.”

A few issues here.  In direct opposition to your assertions, the agenda of the left is popular, and the left is the majority as evidenced by attaining about 3 million more votes in this last election.  Facts are facts.  If not for the archaic Electoral College which gives far too much power to states with small populations, Bush Jr and Trump would not have been elected.  If 10 of us were deciding where to eat lunch and 6 voted for pizza, and 4 voted for tacos, it would be inaccurate to say tacos were the majority. It also wouldn't be fair to go for tacos when more people voted for pizza.  The Democratic Party is the main party that considers people's living standards, and fights to improve them.  The Republican Party considers the bottom line for multinational corporations as it's primary metric when making policy.  Also, your statement that "history is against the idea of this form of government" is another false assertion.  By just about any measurable metric ie academic test scores, infant mortality, medical outcomes, quality of life, America gets resoundingly beaten by nearly every 1st world country.

Are you really crying about the electoral college still? Why is it fair for just a few states to have the say so over the other 42 or so states? It has been this way since 1877 .

[Wizzard]

Its the sore looser whining I have heard ever since Trump got elected. When a liberal gets elected the same way you will hear nothing out of them.
And if this country gets beat in so many things then why does anyone want to live here?
No one is keeping anyone here. You are free to go.

[Pete]

A few issues here.  In direct opposition to your assertions, the agenda of the left is popular, and the left is the majority as evidenced by attaining about 3 million more votes in this last election.  Facts are facts.  If not for the archaic Electoral College which gives far too much power to states with small populations, Bush Jr and Trump would not have been elected.  If 10 of us were deciding where to eat lunch and 6 voted for pizza, and 4 voted for tacos, it would be inaccurate to say tacos were the majority. It also wouldn't be fair to go for tacos when more people voted for pizza.  The Democratic Party is the main party that considers people's living standards, and fights to improve them.  The Republican Party considers the bottom line for multinational corporations as it's primary metric when making policy.  Also, your statement that "history is against the idea of this form of government" is another false assertion.  By just about any measurable metric ie academic test scores, infant mortality, medical outcomes, quality of life, America gets resoundingly beaten by nearly every 1st world country.

Elections have consequences - get over it and move on.
Facts? Your example cites a democracy we are a republic.
America was founded on freedom not academic test criteria or scores.

If you start with the premise that a true democrat is not the most trustworthy and truthful and that the true republican is not real bright you would be right way to much of the time.

Our founding individuals tried to protect us from politicians, they were only partly successful. And that is the shame of it all.