President Missing Something Re: Assimilation

[G-Man]

The reason for the lack of assimilation of refugees into the culture and rules of their "host" nations is because the refugees don't want to be there in the first place.  They are not leaving to seek out a different (better) way of life.  They are not leaving to seek out opportunity for their children.  They're leaving to save their lives or are forced out. 

The one off family that makes the difficult decision to immigrate at the kitchen table are doing so because they are seeking what is not offered at home.  Maybe it's money, maybe it's gainful employment, maybe it's to make a better life for their children and grandchildren.  These people will assimilate.  To get along you have to go along.  The first generation struggles while the second generation succeeds into the middle class.

The refugee experience is a completely different one.  It's usually done in too large of numbers, with the ability of their hosts to take care of them lessening as time goes on.  There aren't hundreds of thousands of jobs and homes waiting for these people when they arrive, and they are forced into ghetto like conditions where the host nation now becomes part of their problem.  Assimilation doesn't seem high on their priorities.

[old2soon]

Some of the young people leaving their home country ONLY want to destroy. The low life scum bag that blew up in Manchester England was born in England. So WHAT zackly made him strap on a bomb and do himself and 22 others in? Sane rational people don't do that. Least ways I don't think they do. I'm wary of strangers coming into my house. I would hope and Pray that we would be wary of strangers entering Our Country. Course myself personally have little idea HOW to seperate the good from the bad. The little rat bastard that blew up in Manchester England for all intents and purposes probably looked normal. We Know NOW of course he was Anything BUT normal. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

The father of the Manchester terrorist was a member of a terror group, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. And he had recently been to one of the radical countries, can't remember which one but I think it was Syria.


When in Rome, personally I feel whatever country the refugees end up in they should pony up and take up the host country lifestyle and language.

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

[Wizzard]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

[Patrick]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

It sure appears that way. Thats why I aren't one !   

[The emperor has no clothes]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

[Robert]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

So how is a liberal supposed to feel  ??? If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then pretty assuredly its a duck. If you vote for Hillary, argue every point on this board, disagree more than agree I think we can pretty much assure liberal status. Maybe this is an issue with you and once confronted and accepted would actually be able to form opinions based on decision rather than whim.

[Wizzard]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

Not everyone,, I don't 

[Robert]

Today Immigration is not about assimilation its about money, power, agenda and using issues to promote an agenda. It was right on track till Trump got in office, the US would have become another Germany. Do you really think as much heat and strife as the governments have taken including dead bodies, and it continues that its about accepting the masses for their own good? I have a bridge to sell you if you do.  


The authorities were also aware that Abedi’s father was linked to a well-known militant Islamist group in Libya, which is proscribed in Britain. Abedi also had links to several British-based jihadis with Isil connections.

Yesterday his father was detained by Libyan militia in the capital Tripoli while the suicide bomber’s two brothers have separately been arrested on suspicion of terrorism offenses.

Abedi had been placed on a “watch list”

This information was known for at least 5 years by British authorities. So why was a known terrorist allowed to stay in the UK?
This is not a family interested in assimilation more like extermination. If I were a British citizen I would be calling for someones head right about now.

Sounds like someone had something to hide and it came out in the leaks LOL

Manchester attack: UK halts sharing bombing intel with US

[SirLancelot]

G man, you are far to sympathetic to these bastards ideals, they are sick sick sick there is no excuse or reason for their behaviour. Grew up in Manchester took all the benefits going and then slaughtered children.

[Patrick]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

I'm one that considers you to be liberal. Not as much as some though. Your arguments are objective. Maybe you just like to argue, I can relate to that. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

I'm one that considers you to be liberal. Not as much as some though. Your arguments are objective. Maybe you just like to argue, I can relate to that. 

That has been said here before, maybe so. I don't think I like to argue though. I do like to debate ideas for sure. Mostly when I respond to something said, it's because I feel strongly about something. I'm sure I would be a lot better off just keeping my ideas to myself. One thing I do know about myself is, I've never been too concerned about what the majority thinks of my politics. There are many sides to me that I consider very conservative . We are very seldom all in one camp all the time.

[Wizzard]

the older I get the less concern I have about what others say about me. Ideas or otherwise

[Willow]

I'm interested in how many folks feel that immigrants need to adopt the language and culture of the country to which they immigrate.  Does that mean you feel that the Europeans coming to North America should have learned to speak Cherokee and begun wearing loincloths?

One of the common accepted misunderstandings involves the concept of "radical" muslims.  The so called radicals are doing exactly what their Koran calls for.  The difference between a social muslim and a radical muslim is only the degree of commitment to their scriptures.  That change can take place over a very short period. 

[G-Man]

I'm interested in how many folks feel that immigrants need to adopt the language and culture of the country to which they immigrate. 

It depends on the reasons for the immigration. 

If immigrating for a "better" life, more opportunity, employments, etc., then YES.  I believe the immigrants needs to adopt the language and culture.  If not the first generation, then certainly the second.  And I don't mean just the people coming here.  I would fully expect to have to learn French if I decided to make Paris my home.  Not all societies bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, ya know. 

[Moonshot_1]

I'm interested in how many folks feel that immigrants need to adopt the language and culture of the country to which they immigrate.  Does that mean you feel that the Europeans coming to North America should have learned to speak Cherokee and begun wearing loincloths?

One of the common accepted misunderstandings involves the concept of "radical" muslims.  The so called radicals are doing exactly what their Koran calls for.  The difference between a social muslim and a radical muslim is only the degree of commitment to their scriptures.  That change can take place over a very short period. 

If you wish to emigrate to an established country then, yes, you have an obligation to adopt the language and culture of that country. Doesn't mean you can't continue to observe your traditions and customs but it does mean you honor and respect the customs and traditions of your new country.

As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

[Black Dog]

If you wish to emigrate to an established country then, yes, you have an obligation to adopt the language and culture of that country. Doesn't mean you can't continue to observe your traditions and customs but it does mean you honor and respect the customs and traditions of your new country.

As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

Well said Moonshot 

Black Dog

[Willow]

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As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

LOL! And if the American Indians(?) (European designation) had built boats and sailed to Europe that would have been "New" territory to them.  They had nations and lands.  They fought wars traded, raised families, and built cities.  They forgot to invent gunpowder.

The surface of the Earth is a constantly changing stage.  If you or I could visit two hundred years from now we wouldn't recognize our "established country".

 

[Mike in AR]

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As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

LOL! And if the American Indians(?) (European designation) had built boats and sailed to Europe that would have been "New" territory to them.  They had nations and lands.  They fought wars traded, raised families, and built cities.  They forgot to invent gunpowder.

The surface of the Earth is a constantly changing stage.  If you or I could visit two hundred years from now we wouldn't recognize our "established country".

 

I find it is often hard to recognize it now, as compared to when I was younger, say 40-50 years ago.

[Gryphon Rider]

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

I would say you're a centrist, or perhaps even an open-minded, thinking, compassionate conservative.  I would put myself somewhere right of you, but left of many extremely vocal people here.

There are many aspects of North American culture I would rather not assimilate.

[Savago]

I *do* think people moving to USA should learn the language (English or 'American' LOL!) and the culture/values as also the history.

I personally have a great time taking care of my house's garden and decorating for Halloween and xmas (not to mention Super bowl, 4th July and Thanksgiving). I started reading 'Cultural Literacy: what every American needs to know' (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039543095X) to have a frame of reference to historical events and people that made this great country.

I do all that while observing the holy values of my home country (i.e. Brazilian Barbecue in the weekends!).
:-D

[RP#62]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

They must think you're a Bernie guy.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

When people move to this country, wherever they came from makes no difference. Learn to speak American and try to fit in.

Doesn't that go against the liberal agenda?

I'm not privy to the "liberal agenda". Maybe they don't trust me enough. But, I know everyone here considers me a liberal and I don't feel that way.

They must think you're a Bernie guy.

-RP

good one 

[The emperor has no clothes]

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As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

LOL! And if the American Indians(?) (European designation) had built boats and sailed to Europe that would have been "New" territory to them.  They had nations and lands.  They fought wars traded, raised families, and built cities.  They forgot to invent gunpowder.

The surface of the Earth is a constantly changing stage.  If you or I could visit two hundred years from now we wouldn't recognize our "established country".

 

200 years ? Hell, probably 50 would do it.

[Moonshot_1]

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As to the early Europeans, North America and the native people, there was not an established country here to emigrate to. It was considered "New" territory. So the dynamics are not the same.

LOL! And if the American Indians(?) (European designation) had built boats and sailed to Europe that would have been "New" territory to them.  They had nations and lands.  They fought wars traded, raised families, and built cities.  They forgot to invent gunpowder.

The surface of the Earth is a constantly changing stage.  If you or I could visit two hundred years from now we wouldn't recognize our "established country".

 

Let me put this another way. The Europeans in question were not immigrants. They did not emigrate to North America. They came as invaders and conquerors. They saw no nations or countries but what they considered a new world for the taking. There is no question that the Native Americans had established Nations and cities and such. I seem to recall the concept of ownership of said lands to be not  understood the same way.

Europeans came to claim the lands. The Native folks understand the land to claim them. Ergo, the land was for the taking in the eyes of the Europeans. No assimilating necessary.

This dynamic is theoretically possible here today. If another nation came here with overwhelming power to claim these lands, or simply send their people here en masse, they can do it. They can take over and claim the lands. In theory.

But, in today's world, if you wish to emigrate to another country you should adapt to and adopt that country's basic culture and values. Language as well.

If they don't, that would define them as an invader.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm a little confused about the title of this post. Did the President say or do something in regards to this ?

[ridingron]

Immigration without assimilation is invasion. Paraphrased, but I don't remember from whom.

[JimC]

The USA is a nation of laws. Always has been, hopefully always will be.

To immigrate here and not have any intention of obeying our laws should not be allowed.
I believe that is one of the main reasons that Trump got elected, the American people want to put a stop to what has been happening recently.

I am 100% for controlled immigration, the type of immigration that allows people into this country that want to be here for what we are as a country, NOT solely because they have to leave their country. I will NEVER be for open borders. With open borders, you have no idea who, and for what reason people want to be here.

The only good thing about being old is that I will not be around in 50 years if our country is allowed to continue on it's current path. But I do pray for my grand kids!

Jim

[Moonshot_1]

I'm a little confused about the title of this post. Did the President say or do something in regards to this ?

Of course he did according to unnamed sources. No evidence of anything yet. Investigation to follow soon. Democrats not sure why but demand impeachment.

[G-Man]

I'm a little confused about the title of this post. Did the President say or do something in regards to this ?

Of course he did according to unnamed sources. No evidence of anything yet. Investigation to follow soon. Democrats not sure why but demand impeachment.

LOL!   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm a little confused about the title of this post. Did the President say or do something in regards to this ?

Of course he did according to unnamed sources. No evidence of anything yet. Investigation to follow soon. Democrats not sure why but demand impeachment.

LOL!   

Ok, sorry I asked.  ???