Virginia shooting

[Robert]

I love the discourse that we need to be fair and decent to each other    Isn't that the issue this shooter thought? He couldn't realize or see some plain truths so he thought there was no other way. We have to define and ACCEPT what is fair and what is decent, and we don't see that here in the comments of some and this mirrors the world. I really wonder if the left see the long term implications of the programs that Obama and others put in place, that on the short haul look ok, but in the long run cost way to much in many ways. They have an idea also that the means justify the ends, this I find is unacceptable also.

I look at the mild response of Trump in so many ways, that compared to Obama is like a lamb to the slaughter. Obama started, corruption in every area of government, put his own people in, told Louise learner to target conservatives, fought back at everyone who opposed him in ways of investigation of governmental agencies. Even after Obama leaves, we see people violate their oath of office and leak information and sue and cause every imaginable attack that they possibly can.

[phideux]

The "ass hats" that wrote , directed and acted in a Trump Assassination Play Sponsored By The New York Times... Kathy Griffon's  "Trump Beheading"...the call to blow up the Whitehouse(Maddonna)...The Daily Dose of Ugly Poisonous Vitreol from the MSM...Schools photoshopping out the Trump name from clothing worn proudly by students for their Yearbook Pictures...Soros Funded Antifa Marxists rioting every day somewhere. All snivelling cowards hiding behind or defying the first amendment.
The Left has gone Full On Melt Down Lunatic Fringe. This shooting is just one more call to violence by the haters.

Are you sure it's not you on the full melt down ?


For every nut job that identifies with the left there is another nut job that identifies with the right. To go into a blame game over this guy does only harm to us all.

At one time, not too long ago actually, I'd agree that the ratio of nut jobs were fairly equally distributed among the political spectrum.

But it is not anymore.

The Democrats, Hollywood, and the Major Media outlets have been spreading apocalyptic fear among the people of this country since Trump tossed his hat in the ring. Those who have bought into the bogus fear mongering are going off the deep end.
The shooting in Virginia is just one case in point.  

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and the rhetoric will subside.

But I doubt it.

What will happen is the, now, multitude of nut jobs on the left inspired by the rhetoric of the DNC leadership, the likes of Griffen and Snoop Dog and the idiots on CNN are going to inspire the nutjobs on the right.

Maybe. I have know way to subjectively judge it. My gut feeling tells me mental illness has no bounds of political affiliation.

The problem is when those with a political affiliation press the buttons of those mentally unstable and do so knowingly.

Agreed. But it happens on both sides, no ? Hopefully this can be a turning point. We need to be less vitriolic not more. We need to realize we are a Republic that depends on us being fair and decent to each other.

If it happens on both sides, show me one instance where a repub  has gone out and shot up a bunch of dems because their idiot lost the election??
How many anti-obama people went out and mowed down the dem senators or congress people when he was in charge??

[F-six]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

[The emperor has no clothes]

I responded to moonshot saying politicians pushed buttons to promote division.

[Serk]

Our friends on the left should keep in mind the for once wise words of their fellow traveler Noam Chomsky in regards to the political violence they're starting to partake in:

"Wrong in principle, and tactically self-destructive.  When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win – and that’s not us."

This isn't a threat. It's a simple observation.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Our friends on the left should keep in mind the for once wise words of their fellow traveler Noam Chomsky in regards to the political violence they're starting to partake in:

"Wrong in principle, and tactically self-destructive.  When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win – and that’s not us."

This isn't a threat. It's a simple observation.

It's a good observation other than who in the Democratic Party is promoting violence ?

[Serk]

Our friends on the left should keep in mind the for once wise words of their fellow traveler Noam Chomsky in regards to the political violence they're starting to partake in:

"Wrong in principle, and tactically self-destructive.  When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win – and that’s not us."

This isn't a threat. It's a simple observation.

It's a good observation other than who in the Democratic Party is promoting violence ?

Tim Kaine: "What we’ve got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there’s the momentum to be able to do this."

(Tim Kaine's own son took his father's advice, and got arrested for violently attacking a trump rally.))

Kathy Griffin holding a severed Trump head.

Shakespeare in New York acting out the assassination of President Trump (And getting a standing ovation for it)

Famous rappers having videos of Trump being killed.

Leftists violently opposing free speech on college campuses.

Obama fanning the flames of violence from the BLM gangs "There were times when activists engaged in rhetoric that was overheated and occasionally counterproductive, but the point was to raise issues... I think what you're seeing now is part of that long standing tradition."

And on and on and on...

And more broadly, the whole rhetoric of forming a "resistance". A resistance is, by it's very nature, violent. Did they not think that by telling their followers that they're part of La Resistance (Evidently they think they're in 1940's France?) some of their True Believers would take it literal and act out on their implied orders?

[Serk]

Addendum: Damnit, I'd promised myself I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread, no good will come of it. I'm out...

[The emperor has no clothes]

Addendum: Damnit, I'd promised myself I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread, no good will come of it. I'm out...

Too late. You thru it out there. The only 2 leaders you sited would be Kaine and Obama . What you quoted is a HUGE stretch to say they are promoting violence. The rest of the people are just a bunch of punks and dumb asses.

Edit ; for the record I think there is much good that can come from civil dialogue that you have put forth. 

[Alpha Dog]

Mark Steyn in conversation with Tucker Carleson...it does not get any better.
Republican voters pretty much suffered a self imposed mute vocal agony for 7 1/2 years...it's the left's turn to suck it up and get a life!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMU0R12qFwU

https://www.steynonline.com/7820/the-poisoning-of-robert-spencer

And...Re what happened to Robert Spencer, it does not get much worse until what we witnessed yesterday...this is just the beginning of the unhinged behavior from the left...mark my words...it will get far worse before it gets better.

I saw that interview with Tucker last night, while the wife was surfing around waiting for Fargo.  It was quite good and accurate in a way that only Mark Steyn can do.  I also agree this is only the beginning.  I told the wife a few days ago when the weather heated up here in the midwest that summer is here and people are going to die this summer because of the true hatred that is spread unlike anything I have ever seen and it is coming from familiar and famous people that have access to the airwaves, and not just Joe Smoe blogging.    When I saw those Berkley riots some months ago and how the Soros paid hooligans where dressed up in protective clothing and helmets ready to do battle, and the police just let them destroy buildings I thought my gosh this is the start.  When what has always been political rancor has now become no discussion of political thought and policies,  but instead college campus shutting down free speech and pure demonetization of one particular man and group and willing to due great harm and even death to that group  - bad times are indeed in-store.   And it will get worse,  I so hope to God I am wrong.

[Jess from VA]

As usual, Annie has it right. 

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-06-14.html

[f6john]

Winners and losers. Power and control. Privilege and wealth. These are the things that drive both sides of the aisle in a collective sense although I may have left out a few just as important. Let's assume for a moment that all our elected officials are basically good people with America's best interests at heart. Much of what both parties want are pleasing and acceptable to them and the American public. Who wouldn't want to be able to provide affordable health care for every citizen? The rub happens when it comes to how we implement the program without unfair burdens on some and without wrecking our economy. Any program with the implications the size of Obamacare to be riding on the statement that, "We have to pass the bill in order to know what is in it" shows the disconnect between some of our representatives and the reality most of us live in.

The "them and us" mentality or more pointedly "them or us" mentality will have to change before we can expect to see much improvement in our government.

[G-Man]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Nowhere does it say that a Republican, or a Conservative, or anything of that nature, was responsible for the shooting.

[phideux]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Yeah but if you look into the nut job that shot her, he wasn't on the repub side and shot up the place because Obama was president. In all reality one of the people that was closest to him for awhile described his political leanings as "left wing, quite liberal and radical". Later turning more towards total anti-government. His reasoning for shooting the place up was to go after Giffords because he didn't believe women should be in a position of power and he thought she was "fake".
Quite different than this situation.

[Jess from VA]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604820/Congress-shooter-creeped-women.html

This link has in interesting video, taken by a passerby, from far away with little to be seen (except the fellow down at 2d base), but the audio is good, and you can hear the shooter going at his targets in groups of 3-5 shots, mostly.  Pretty clearly his rifle, which by the way turns out to have been an SKS (7.62), not an AR (5.56).  

According to stories, after most got to cover, he moved to try and get a better angle.  At about 2/3 through the video, you can hear a quick succession of different sounding shots (handguns in 9 or 40 likely), which were the two Capital Police returning fire, and taking him out.  There's a little delay while the congressmen decide it's safe to move, then they run out to help the man at 2d.

[Alberta Patriot]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Yeah but if you look into the nut job that shot her, he wasn't on the repub side and shot up the place because Obama was president. In all reality one of the people that was closest to him for awhile described his political leanings as "left wing, quite liberal and radical". Later turning more towards total anti-government. His reasoning for shooting the place up was to go after Giffords because he didn't believe women should be in a position of power and he thought she was "fake".
Quite different than this situation.

Interesting how when a political figure is shot the assumption from the uninformed is that it was commited by someone with opposing political leanings, instead of by someone who is mentally unbalanced.
The great irony in all this is that the DNC and scandal ridden Debbie Wasserman Shultz were the ones responsible for burning down Bernie Sanders shot at the primaries not the republicans...this guy was shooting at the wrong congressmen.

[Jess from VA]

Agreed, but, it is not uncommon for the mentally unbalanced to have political leanings as part of their neurosis/psychosis. 

[Robert]

Do you remember people were afraid to tell anyone, even their friends they were voting for Trump? I question, who is mentally imbalanced when the severed head of the president brings cheers, or the stabbing of the president in a play. There is no doubt of a moral failure of these people but the sanity could also be argued. Along with the rioters in the street, Congress, and the left. They complain about the alt right but I have not seen one act of violence from them.

I guess the term lead by example is long gone for the left.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Do you remember people were afraid to tell anyone, even their friends they were voting for Trump?

Nope, most that I knew were very proud of it.

[Robert]

The Huffington Post pulled a piece calling for the “execution” of President Donald Trump published Saturday by contributor Jason Fuller.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/huffpo-pulls-article-calling-for-ultimate-punishment-of-trump/

This tone comes from a man who self-describes as “critical” of “bullying and extremism.” Fuller uses the term “execution” twice and “ultimate punishment” twice more thereafter as a euphemism for execution, in a piece claiming that those he disagrees with committed “treason.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-donald-trump-american-voices-20161113-story.html
'We're called redneck, ignorant, racist. That's not true': Trump supporters explain why they voted for him
When Audrey Kaatz and Ashley Wright finally decided whom to support for president, they kept the choice to themselves.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Roger-Stone-Trump-voters-admit/2016/09/24/id/749970/
Roger Stone: Lots of Trump Voters Not Admitting It to Pollsters
There are countless numbers of Donald Trump supporters who are afraid to come out and publically support him but will vote for him on Election Day, veteran Republican political consultant Roger Stone tells Newsmax TV.

[3fan4life]

As usual, Annie has it right. 

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-06-14.html

 

Most of her remarks are "Spot on" and It sounds like she hit the proverbial nail on the head:

  The media are orchestrating a bloodless coup, but they're perfectly content to have their low-IQ shock troops pursue a bloody coup.

[Jess from VA]

As usual, Annie has it right. 

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-06-14.html

 

Most of her remarks are "Spot on" and It sounds like she hit the proverbial nail on the head:

  The media are orchestrating a bloodless coup, but they're perfectly content to have their low-IQ shock troops pursue a bloody coup.

And of course, then spin it as all Trump's (and his supporter's) fault. 

Just like calling terrorist murderers..... freedom fighters.

[Trynt]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Records show that Loughner was registered as an Independent.

[3fan4life]

Gabrielle Giffords?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

If you're going to use a reference to infer something you REALLY should research it first.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

Jared Lee Loughner (/ˈlɒfnər/; born September 10, 1988)[1] is an American mass murderer who pleaded guilty to 19 charges of murder and attempted murder in connection with the January 8, 2011 Tucson shooting, in which he shot and severely injured U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords

Acquaintances said that Loughner's personality had changed markedly in the years prior to the shooting, a period when he was also abusing alcohol and drugs. He had been suspended from Pima Community College in September 2010 because of his bizarre behavior and disruptions in classes and the library. After his arrest, two medical evaluations diagnosed him with paranoid schizophrenia and incompetent to stand trial. He was medicated while in jail as part of his treatment. He was again judged incompetent in May 2012.

Zach Osler, a high-school classmate of Loughner's, and his closest friend, indicated that Loughner's life began to unravel after his high-school girlfriend broke up with him. He began to abuse alcohol and other drugs, including cannabis (marijuana), cocaine, psychedelic mushrooms, LSD, and Salvia divinorum (a hallucinogenic plant legal in most states).

According to a former friend, Bryce Tierney, Loughner had expressed a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords.

Zane Gutierrez, a friend, later told the New York Times that Loughner's anger would also "well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government."

Journalists had speculated that Loughner was anti-Semitic due to his attack on Rep. Giffords, who is Jewish, but the Anti-Defamation League's analysis of the messages by Loughner found that he had a more generalized dislike of religion, and of government.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

[Robert]

How many of the following sentences do you see happening today? Is it by accident? When we see things happeing that follow a path is it chance or design?




1) Men are inclined to evil rather than good.
2) Preach Liberalism.
3) Use ideals of freedom to bring about class wars.
4) Any and all means necessary should be used to reach their goals as they are justified.
5) Believe their rights lie in force.
6) The power of their resources must remain invisible until the very moment that they have gained the strength so that no group or force can undermine it.
7) Advocates a mob psychology to obtain control of the masses.
) Promotes the use of alcohol, drugs, moral corruption, and all forms of vice to systematically corrupt the youth of the nation.
9) Seize citizens’ private property by any means necessary.
10) The use of slogans such as equity, liberty, and fraternity are used on the masses as psychological warfare.
11) War should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences are designed so that neither combatant retain territory rights.
12) Members must use their wealth to have candidates chosen to public office who would be obedient to their demands, and would be used as pawns in the game by the men behind the scenes. The advisors will have been bred, reared, and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world.
13) Control the press, and hence most of the information the public receives.
14) Agents and provocateurs will come forward after creating traumatic situations, and appear to be the saviors of the masses, when they are actually interested in just the opposite, the reduction of the population.
15) Create industrial depression and financial panic, unemployment, hunger, shortage of food, use these events to control the masses and mobs. and use them to wipe out those who stand in the way.
16)
17) Expound the value of systematic deception, use high sounding slogans and phrases, advocate lavish sounding promises to the masses even though they can’t be kept.
18) The art of street fighting is necessary to bring the population into subjection.
19) Use agents as provocateurs and advisers behind the scenes, and after wars use secret diplomacy talks to gain control.
20) Establish huge monopolies towards world government control.
21) Use high taxes and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin by controlling raw materials, organized agitation among the workers, and subsidizing competitors.
22) Build up armaments with police and soldiers who can protect and further interests.
23)
24) Infiltrate into all classes and levels of society and government for the purpose of teaching the youth in the schools theories and principles known to be false.
25) Create and use national and international laws to destroy civilization.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

Ridiculous 

[Gavin_Sons]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

Ridiculous 

TRUTH, sometimes it's  hard to hear huh?

[The emperor has no clothes]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

Ridiculous 

TRUTH, sometimes it's  hard to hear huh?

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

[baldo]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

Ridiculous 

TRUTH, sometimes it's  hard to hear huh?

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Don't bother Rob.....this is red meat to these guys.....

[Serk]

http://fox59.com/2017/06/15/several-shots-fired-at-truck-carrying-make-america-great-again-flag-on-i-465/

[Serk]

I just can't figure out where the left is getting the idea to move beyond the norms of polite disagreement...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/protesting-donald-trump-comey_us_591313d1e4b050bdca61270c

[Alberta Patriot]

I'd like to add...Hugo Chavez's Venezuela Is a Warning for Bernie Sanders fans...have a good look at what can happen to what was once a burgeoning economy...and how fast it can happen...I include Justin Trudeau fans in this comment.
Powerful nations like the USA could never be defeated from outside incursions...you are witnessing it happen right now from within the entrenched deep state and in your institutions of higher learning where the Markists and Socialists are changing the hearts and minds of your children with an insidious daily dose of far left dogma.

[Valker]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Not true. Some people (not saying you in particular) see what they want in any 'facts' displayed. Many say that it is a fact that Trump is a racist, mysoginist, otherist-that is all opinion. Most people only agree with 'facts' if they are in agreement with what they already think. One fact is established-Trump IS President of the United States now.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Not true. Some people (not saying you in particular) see what they want in any 'facts' displayed. Many say that it is a fact that Trump is a racist, mysoginist, otherist-that is all opinion. Most people only agree with 'facts' if they are in agreement with what they already think. One fact is established-Trump IS President of the United States now.

What you are describing are opinions. It is a fact that Trump is President. It is a fact that the sky is blue. It is a fact that 90% of crimes are not committed by liberals.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I wouldn't support such a thing because even the irrational have Constitutional rights. But, I think if you took firearms away from the left, gun crime would drop to near zero.

I think if you somehow stopped all criminal acts committed by the left, 90% of all crime in the US would end overnight.

What used to be the party of equality and justice has morphed into the party of irrationality, dishonesty, anger and hate. Probably the reason much of the left back taking away our Constitutional rights is because they know they are not emotionally stable enough to handle those rights.

The Dems have had some great leaders in the past, JFK being one of them and maybe the most recent. We can only hope they will come back to supporting working US citizens, inclusion instead of division, our civil rights including our 2nd Amendment rights and rationality instead of the hysterical hand wringing and hate mongering which undoubtedly triggered this lunatic.

The Republicans are far from perfect, Trump is far from perfect as are all of us. But, for the foreseeable future they seem to be the only rational team in town.

Ridiculous 

TRUTH, sometimes it's  hard to hear huh?

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Don't bother Rob.....this is red meat to these guys.....

Yeah, but red meat is my business.  Have you got the bike all ready for the big journey across country ?

[F-six]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Unless! Unless, when there are alternative facts! 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Not true. Some people (not saying you in particular) see what they want in any 'facts' displayed. Many say that it is a fact that Trump is a racist, mysoginist, otherist-that is all opinion. Most people only agree with 'facts' if they are in agreement with what they already think. One fact is established-Trump IS President of the United States now.

What you are describing are opinions. It is a fact that Trump is President. It is a fact that the sky is blue. It is a fact that 90% of crimes are not committed by liberals.

If you were to make a map of the US showing the highest crime areas of the country. And if you were to then make a map of the highest concentrations of Hillary voters. How close to the same do you think they would be?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Not true. Some people (not saying you in particular) see what they want in any 'facts' displayed. Many say that it is a fact that Trump is a racist, mysoginist, otherist-that is all opinion. Most people only agree with 'facts' if they are in agreement with what they already think. One fact is established-Trump IS President of the United States now.

What you are describing are opinions. It is a fact that Trump is President. It is a fact that the sky is blue. It is a fact that 90% of crimes are not committed by liberals.

If you were to make a map of the US showing the highest crime areas of the country. And if you were to then make a map of the highest concentrations of Hillary voters. How close to the same do you think they would be?

Flawed logic my friend.

[baldo]

Believe what you want. Facts are facts.

Not true. Some people (not saying you in particular) see what they want in any 'facts' displayed. Many say that it is a fact that Trump is a racist, mysoginist, otherist-that is all opinion. Most people only agree with 'facts' if they are in agreement with what they already think. One fact is established-Trump IS President of the United States now.

What you are describing are opinions. It is a fact that Trump is President. It is a fact that the sky is blue. It is a fact that 90% of crimes are not committed by liberals.

If you were to make a map of the US showing the highest crime areas of the country. And if you were to then make a map of the highest concentrations of Hillary voters. How close to the same do you think they would be?

LOLOLOL....Now THAT'S some thinking outside the box....