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I had a few minutes to invest so I thought I would share my observation and ask a question. I see Trump trying to work for the betterment of the entire country. He seems to want to make it possible for greater job development, infrastructure repairs and improvements, improve our global influence and respect, rebuild our military, correct problems with the VA, and yes even health care reform and hopefully find a workable solution for our situation. He can do little without the help of the Congress other than arm twisting and being a cheerleader. I don't see anything anyone could fault him on as far as the direction he want to see the country go. Of course the details of how to arrive at all these positive improvements will be hotly contested I'm sure.
Other than not being in power and being able to control the direction of initiatives what is the problem people have with Trump other than a personal dislike for the man in general?
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2017, 12:26:01 PM » |
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Not a Trump fan BUT he was a better choice than Clinton.
Now I sit back wiv me big bucket of popcorn (hate the stuff).
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Women don't like him because he has said some "not-so-nice" things about women and what rich/famous men can get away with when it comes to women. Women have a very different perspective on men/women interactions and coexistence. I am learning this from my wife and daughter. Men don't have to worry about being inappropriately touched, or touched unwantedly. Yest it happens to men, but it's not the same. Women are also ogled and/or leered at by men all day. Women worry about leaving their drinks unattended, etc. When they are bombarded with the things Trump has said, they take it to heart.
Minorities have been bombarded with the "racist" things he has supposedly said and others were bombarded with the way he made fun of a handicapped journalist. Yes, we all know these were bogus, but the more you hear it, especially if you disagree or dislike him in the first place, the more these become truth in stone.
Unfortunately, he handled himself very poorly during the campaign. Even though he was right, on so many things, it was the stupid remarks that got the headlines.
And then, on top of all this, we have a left leaning media that kept on pounding away at the nonsense.
And lastly, he wants to strip away the only thing Obama "succeeded" in doing, the ACA. Even though it is an abomination and crumbling around itself, Obama lovers hate him for going after it.
So, while all the things you have listed is true, and no matter how correct he is in doing them, his opponents can't and don't want to get past all of the above and they are trying EVERYTHING under the sun to oust him. So much so that once reputable media outlets are now willing to make themselves look like fools by reporting fake news (Washington Post).
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 01:52:16 PM » |
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I had a few minutes to invest so I thought I would share my observation and ask a question. I see Trump trying to work for the betterment of the entire country. He seems to want to make it possible for greater job development, infrastructure repairs and improvements, improve our global influence and respect, rebuild our military, correct problems with the VA, and yes even health care reform and hopefully find a workable solution for our situation. He can do little without the help of the Congress other than arm twisting and being a cheerleader. I don't see anything anyone could fault him on as far as the direction he want to see the country go. Of course the details of how to arrive at all these positive improvements will be hotly contested I'm sure.
Other than not being in power and being able to control the direction of initiatives what is the problem people have with Trump other than a personal dislike for the man in general?
I'll give this a go. Trump represents the antithesis of the political establishment in Washington D.C. Within this political establishment, both major political parties wish him to not succeed. The Republicans allowed him into their camp on the presumption that he wouldn't stand a chance. They would get his money and he'd lose in the primaries. He didn't. So the Republican establishment is stuck with the guy. And he wins. While there are enough Republicans to support Trump there are many that will have no real issues in fanning the flames of impeachment. On the other hand the Democrats have just lost their minds over Trump's win. Not only does Trump threaten the political establishment the Democrats have fostered and groomed over the decades, there are real and tangible efforts to undermine their very political philosophies and social norms. Trump also comes into this as a businessman that is currently doing actual business. This is somewhat novel. There are many who will point to conflicts of interests, yet how can it be constitutional to deprive him of his business activity simply because he won an election? Running his business isn't a crime. Yet there are conflicts of interests here but some of the conflicts are unresolvable. For instance, he can't diversify from Trump Inc. He IS Trump. Now throw into this mix the fact that Donald Trump is, at his heart and soul, the stereotypical New Yorker. Brash and brazien attitude, constantly negotiating everything, irritating as all get out but yet soft hearted and soft spoken when it is called for. Usually guys like Trump don't ever get above the State level political class. You see guys like Trump doing the Mayor or Governor bit but rarely the National political class. So for many, having a personality like Trump at this political level is more than a little scary. For me, personally, Trump is the medicine the country needs. Aggressive approach to getting the economy moving again. Conservative approach to the Judiciary appointments. And to stand up to the media and the political correct crowd as well as the political establishment.
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The very FACT he is Not a politician has scared the-insert what YOU believe wuz scared out of them-long term entrenched politicians that have had their way-Maybe Not the Countries way-for far too long and all the entrenched ones know or care about is their own personal rice bowl. Seems to me that getting whatever they can git and damn the cost or consequences is ALL that matters to our entrenched policy makers. IF the entrenched policy makers would have had the Peoples Best interests front and center And had bothered to read aca it would have NEVER been passed. It would have died long before it reached committee. And that is but One instance of entrenched politician stupidity! Time for Citizens to vote out the entrenched types DEMAND term limits and DEMAND they get a BUDGET and stick to it. But I be pissin into a head wind. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 02:00:07 PM » |
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Women don't like him because he has said some "not-so-nice" things about women and what rich/famous men can get away with when it comes to women. Women have a very different perspective on men/women interactions and coexistence. I am learning this from my wife and daughter. Men don't have to worry about being inappropriately touched, or touched unwantedly. Yest it happens to men, but it's not the same. Women are also ogled and/or leered at by men all day. Women worry about leaving their drinks unattended, etc. When they are bombarded with the things Trump has said, they take it to heart.
Minorities have been bombarded with the "racist" things he has supposedly said and others were bombarded with the way he made fun of a handicapped journalist. Yes, we all know these were bogus, but the more you hear it, especially if you disagree or dislike him in the first place, the more these become truth in stone.
Unfortunately, he handled himself very poorly during the campaign. Even though he was right, on so many things, it was the stupid remarks that got the headlines.
And then, on top of all this, we have a left leaning media that kept on pounding away at the nonsense.
And lastly, he wants to strip away the only thing Obama "succeeded" in doing, the ACA. Even though it is an abomination and crumbling around itself, Obama lovers hate him for going after it.
So, while all the things you have listed is true, and no matter how correct he is in doing them, his opponents can't and don't want to get past all of the above and they are trying EVERYTHING under the sun to oust him. So much so that once reputable media outlets are now willing to make themselves look like fools by reporting fake news (Washington Post).
There is a sizeable number of very self centered women out there who like their men pu$$y whipped...Feminism, like the newly minted Liberalism is a mental condition these days. The mere mention of Trump has a real disturbing effect on them and of course their "kept" men as well.  I am just tossing out a guess here...probably 70% of average women lean left and about the same number of average men lean right...??(the "kept" men don't count)
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 02:11:04 PM » |
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Trump's problem with women has more to do with him cheating on his wives, saying he could "grab them by the pussies" than any feminism or women wanting their men pussy whipped.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 02:17:17 PM » |
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Trump's problem with women has more to do with him cheating on his wives, saying he could "grab them by the pussies" than any feminism or women wanting their men pussy whipped.
Did you see the young tart that was the talking point of the video...I was expecting her to grab her knees and start waving it at him at some point. I am damn sure she was the subject of many many locker room discussions.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 02:35:05 PM » |
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Wanna bet that at least as many women cheat on husband as husband cheat on wife? I did divorces for years, women are better cheaters, they usually dont brag outside the hair dressers
What the Democrats or for that matter Republicans cant control they wish to destroy
The weapons are always the same, through time
Isolate, Demonize Make up stuff that nobody ever checks before releasing to media Call someone a racist if all else fails character assasination Scream and holler that your rights are more important than your adversaries rights and the big one is they have all chosen at one time assassinate
Try reading what happened over time to the Clinton's secret service detail, their cronies and those who had dirt on them
I still have my Trump sign, saving it for 2020
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2017, 02:50:58 PM » |
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Wanna bet that at least as many women cheat on husband as husband cheat on wife? I did divorces for years, women are better cheaters, they usually dont brag outside the hair dressers
What the Democrats or for that matter Republicans cant control they wish to destroy
The weapons are always the same, through time
Isolate, Demonize Make up stuff that nobody ever checks before releasing to media Call someone a racist if all else fails character assasination Scream and holler that your rights are more important than your adversaries rights and the big one is they have all chosen at one time assassinate
Try reading what happened over time to the Clinton's secret service detail, their cronies and those who had dirt on them
I still have my Trump sign, saving it for 2020
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2017, 03:23:12 PM » |
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Most of the things the general public dislikes him for are rooted in his extreme, unabashed narcissism. The only god Trump answers to has a 10" blonde comb-over.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2017, 03:43:39 PM » |
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The problem, or a problem with Trump is he takes everything said about him personal, and thinks he has to answer every remark made on Twitter. Someone needs to shut his twitter off and use that time to be productive. Basically, he needs to shutup.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2017, 05:00:33 PM » |
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Most of the things the general public dislikes him for are rooted in his extreme, unabashed narcissism. The only god Trump answers to has a 10" blonde comb-over.
Let's say that's all true. Is he and his vision good for America?
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2017, 05:02:56 PM » |
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The problem, or a problem with Trump is he takes everything said about him personal, and thinks he has to answer every remark made on Twitter. Someone needs to shut his twitter off and use that time to be productive. Basically, he needs to shutup.
You could be right, but I have never seen so much negative, hateful commentary on a President this early in his administration on a personal level
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 05:05:33 PM » |
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Trump's problem with women has more to do with him cheating on his wives, saying he could "grab them by the pussies" than any feminism or women wanting their men pussy whipped.
I understand he remains on good terms with his ex? Do you have info to the contrary? I think the children he has show the type of person he is on a personal level.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 05:09:20 PM » |
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Man, talk about a leading question.  Not sure I understand your comment as I was just trying to eliminate the obvious. It seems to me a lot of people disliked him before he was even the nominee. He's President now and we have seen what his direction is, what do you not like?
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Man, talk about a leading question.  Not sure I understand your comment as I was just trying to eliminate the obvious. It seems to me a lot of people disliked him before he was even the nominee. He's President now and we have seen what his direction is, what do you not like? There has been much teeth gnashing on here about Trump. It just seemed to me the question was posed to illicit more teeth gnashing. I could be totally wrong and hope I am. Most here know what I think of Trump. There is not much sense in stating it again. If he has nothing to hide he should way the investigation and cooperate fully with it, including laying out his financial dealings with the Russians. I have my doubts that will happen.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 05:42:18 PM » |
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Rob you are not laughing while you say that or are you
Is it ok to forgive Hillary for deleting 20000 emails on a private server after lying about their existence, lying about Benghazi, the millions for her foundation, the secret deal with Obama to cover it up, and how about a transcript of the real conversation with atty gen and her husband you dont believe it was just " hey wazzup" do you?
need we go on Obviously I am dissapointed a select Senate committee did not dig deep into her a$$ as she is a real dangerous person who sold us out, lied to us and cant be trusted
Here is a classic example Meathead
When did you stop beating your wife?
You cant answer it as it assumes a fact not in evidence and hopefully never happened. Trump should stop tweeting his tacos tweets and stop trying to defend that which is nonsense - I do agree with that statement, but he is what he is, and we are benefitting from it and the country will as well
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Rob you are not laughing while you say that and forgive Hillary for deleting 20000 emails on a private server, lying about Benghazi, the millions for her foundation, the secret deal with Obama to cover it up the real conversation with atty gen and her husband
need we go on
Here is a classic example Meathead
When did you stop beating your wife?
You cant answer it as it assumes a fact not in evidence and hopefully never happened. Trump should stop tweeting his tacos tweets and stop trying to defend that which is nonsense
Evan, I find none of it funny. I think Hillary Clinton did many things wrong. She was investigated thoroughly for them. I understand many think she should have been charged for the server issues, and I can't disagree too much with that. But as far as Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation I think you guys are grasping at straws. She is toast, she has no power now. If the investigation of Trump and his campaign comes up clean, GREAT. I will abide with what Mueller comes up with. Nobody is asking Trump or his people anything they can't answer. If they did no wrong they have nothing to fear. (Just for the record, I have never hit Brenda or any female in my entire life. And would have no problem being investigated for it.)
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 06:31:06 PM » |
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Most of the things the general public dislikes him for are rooted in his extreme, unabashed narcissism. The only god Trump answers to has a 10" blonde comb-over.
Let's say that's all true. Is he and his vision good for America? His vision is simplistic, lacking in nuance because he has an uneducated view of how the world works and of people's motivations. He can't even get key pieces of legislation passed by a congress dominated by his own party. His bombast and single-purpose drive make for success in big-business real estate, but create barriers in politics. He creates policy on the fly, sometimes directly contradicting what his cabinet members are saying about issues that are their areas of expertise. He unthinkingly alienates America's international allies, and cozies up to Russia, a true enemy of the US and democracy. I truly wish Republican voters had given America a more competent, less clownish person to vote for as President. America is now worse off for choosing Trump.
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Man, talk about a leading question.  Not sure I understand your comment as I was just trying to eliminate the obvious. It seems to me a lot of people disliked him before he was even the nominee. He's President now and we have seen what his direction is, what do you not like? There has been much teeth gnashing on here about Trump. It just seemed to me the question was posed to illicit more teeth gnashing. I could be totally wrong and hope I am. Most here know what I think of Trump. There is not much sense in stating it again. If he has nothing to hide he should way the investigation and cooperate fully with it, including laying out his financial dealings with the Russians. I have my doubts that will happen. Don't quite understand how one can "cooperate fully" with an investigation that is based on nothing. There is no underlying crime being investigated. The investigation is really based on the sole fact that Trump won the election. There is no evidence of "collusion" with the Russians. There is no criminal evidence of anything between the Trump administration, the Trump Campaign and the Russians. The question Oss posed, "When did you stop beating your wife" is deeper than it looks. You say you would have no problem being investigated for it. Prove it. I know there is nothing there but until you can prove it we have to assume that you possibly are doing just that. Maybe an accusation in the local paper. How can you fully cooperate in a dynamic like that? You can not prove you did not do something. If you did not do it there is no evidence that you did not do it. Until you can prove you did not do something you can not be considered to have cooperated fully. This is the dynamic being played out for Trump. Investigations into virtually every aspect of his life based on the accusations of political opponents. No underlying crime. Not even tangible evidence of one. Just want tangible evidence of a crime. A serious ethical breach. Something to Constitutionally justify this bogus inquisition.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2017, 06:54:22 PM » |
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Man, talk about a leading question.  Not sure I understand your comment as I was just trying to eliminate the obvious. It seems to me a lot of people disliked him before he was even the nominee. He's President now and we have seen what his direction is, what do you not like? There has been much teeth gnashing on here about Trump. It just seemed to me the question was posed to illicit more teeth gnashing. I could be totally wrong and hope I am. Most here know what I think of Trump. There is not much sense in stating it again. If he has nothing to hide he should way the investigation and cooperate fully with it, including laying out his financial dealings with the Russians. I have my doubts that will happen. Don't quite understand how one can "cooperate fully" with an investigation that is based on nothing. There is no underlying crime being investigated. The investigation is really based on the sole fact that Trump won the election. There is no evidence of "collusion" with the Russians. There is no criminal evidence of anything between the Trump administration, the Trump Campaign and the Russians. The question Oss posed, "When did you stop beating your wife" is deeper than it looks. You say you would have no problem being investigated for it. Prove it. I know there is nothing there but until you can prove it we have to assume that you possibly are doing just that. Maybe an accusation in the local paper. How can you fully cooperate in a dynamic like that? You can not prove you did not do something. If you did not do it there is no evidence that you did not do it. Until you can prove you did not do something you can not be considered to have cooperated fully. This is the dynamic being played out for Trump. Investigations into virtually every aspect of his life based on the accusations of political opponents. No underlying crime. Not even tangible evidence of one. Just want tangible evidence of a crime. A serious ethical breach. Something to Constitutionally justify this bogus inquisition. Moonshot, with all due respect. If you don't see that having your campaign staff taking money from Russians, lying about communications with the Russians, having secret meetings with banned Russian banks, trying to coerce the FBI Director, the NSA Director, the DNI Director into squashing the investigation is wrong, then I'm not sure there is anything that will get you to see the smoke. There is plenty of tangible evidence. Why do you think Flynn is requesting immunity ? If he is innocent, what's he need that for ? A person does not have to prove nothing happened. It is up to the investigation to prove that something did happen. As to your example of somebody stating in the paper that I beat my wife. I would have absolutely no problem with that. Because I know I'm innocent. Once my innocence was proven, then I would file libel charges against a spurious attack. When you have done nothing wrong it's easy to cooperate and welcome an investigation. When you know you are guilty it's not so easy.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2017, 07:04:46 PM » |
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America is now worse off for choosing Trump.
We are infinitely better off than we would've been with Hillary Clinton!
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time to go to school....the top 1,200 people own 80% of the worlds assets..the Rothschilds for the last 65 years have had the Bilderburg group meetings where they invite 150-200 of these globalists for a meeting at a nice resort and talk.....the Rothschilds own the world they own the B.I.S.--the bank of international settlements where everyday 9 unelected bankers go into a room in Basel Switzerland and determine the value of all the worlds currencies--they own the Fed which isn't Federal and has no reserves...go to "THEMONEYMASTERS.COM for what you need to know---the globalists wanted the "TPP" to pass--the trans pacific partnership.. to pass.which would destroy the last 1/2 of the jobs left by NAFTA...Hillary was invited the the Bilderburg conference in 2012 and was vetted to do their commands so she had the entire media which the rothschilds own..google that..behind her ..Trump won and they are furious as 3 days after elected Trump got us out of the TPP.
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Most of the things the general public dislikes him for are rooted in his extreme, unabashed narcissism. The only god Trump answers to has a 10" blonde comb-over.
Let's say that's all true. Is he and his vision good for America? His vision is simplistic, lacking in nuance because he has an uneducated view of how the world works and of people's motivations. He can't even get key pieces of legislation passed by a congress dominated by his own party. His bombast and single-purpose drive make for success in big-business real estate, but create barriers in politics. He creates policy on the fly, sometimes directly contradicting what his cabinet members are saying about issues that are their areas of expertise. He unthinkingly alienates America's international allies, and cozies up to Russia, a true enemy of the US and democracy. I truly wish Republican voters had given America a more competent, less clownish person to vote for as President. America is now worse off for choosing Trump. Good job you live in Canada EH? Didn't have to concern yourself with a vote just the 20/20 hindsight EH.
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As to your example of somebody stating in the paper that I beat my wife. I would have absolutely no problem with that. Because I know I'm innocent. Once my innocence was proven, then I would file libel charges against a spurious attack. When you have done nothing wrong it's easy to cooperate and welcome an investigation. When you know you are guilty it's not so easy.
And hence the source of the problem. Our legal system is supposed to be based on the premise of, "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". Too many in our society have forsaken that principle. The moment the MSM reports accusations against someone social media begins a relentless attack against them. Everyone, jumps on the bandwagon and the dogpile gets deeper and deeper. The truth is that the minute the newspaper report comes out that you beat your wife, you would immediately be judged guilty by thousands. Now, I believe that you have never hit your wife. But, most would condemn you, convict you and be ready to hang you from the nearest tree. And don't forget that juries are made up of people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.
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As to your example of somebody stating in the paper that I beat my wife. I would have absolutely no problem with that. Because I know I'm innocent. Once my innocence was proven, then I would file libel charges against a spurious attack. When you have done nothing wrong it's easy to cooperate and welcome an investigation. When you know you are guilty it's not so easy.
And hence the source of the problem. Our legal system is supposed to be based on the premise of, "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". Too many in our society have forsaken that principle. The moment the MSM reports accusations against someone social media begins a relentless attack against them. Everyone, jumps on the bandwagon and the dogpile gets deeper and deeper. The truth is that the minute the newspaper report comes out that you beat your wife, you would immediately be judged guilty by thousands. Now, I believe that you have never hit your wife. But, most would condemn you, convict you and be ready to hang you from the nearest tree. And don't forget that juries are made up of people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. I trust our judicial system. I can live with the fact that some people believe untrue things of me. All that really matters is how the government treats you. If you are given a fair trial, I'm ok with it. I don't think jurors go into a deliberation lightly.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2017, 08:14:11 PM » |
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Most of the things the general public dislikes him for are rooted in his extreme, unabashed narcissism. The only god Trump answers to has a 10" blonde comb-over.
Let's say that's all true. Is he and his vision good for America? His vision is simplistic, lacking in nuance because he has an uneducated view of how the world works and of people's motivations. He can't even get key pieces of legislation passed by a congress dominated by his own party. His bombast and single-purpose drive make for success in big-business real estate, but create barriers in politics. He creates policy on the fly, sometimes directly contradicting what his cabinet members are saying about issues that are their areas of expertise. He unthinkingly alienates America's international allies, and cozies up to Russia, a true enemy of the US and democracy. I truly wish Republican voters had given America a more competent, less clownish person to vote for as President. America is now worse off for choosing Trump. Good job you live in Canada EH? Didn't have to concern yourself with a vote just the 20/20 hindsight EH. I am glad I live in Canada, for more reasons than current political leadership. I'm not sure what your "hindsight" comment is speaking to. Canadians are always concerned with US national leadership and international policy. To quote Pierre Trudeau (one of Canada's Prime Ministers in the 70's, not Justin, his son, the current PM), "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2017, 08:37:43 PM » |
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Trump's problem with women has more to do with him cheating on his wives, saying he could "grab them by the pussies" than any feminism or women wanting their men pussy whipped. That assessment doesn't hold muster. You do realize they had to reach back over ten years to find that "offensive" remark. That was a little after the time Bill Clinton was openly cheating on his wife and was re-elected by a lot of these same people who chose to hate President Trump. ... If he has nothing to hide he should way the investigation and cooperate fully with it, including laying out his financial dealings with the Russians. I have my doubts that will happen. You are under the mistaken impression that the purpose of any investigation is to discover the truth. Most often the purpose of an investigation is to prove something was wrong. That proof may exist where you least expect it even despite the truth. Pay close attention to what a police officer warns his victims, Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." The intelligent person will simply say nothing until he is properly represented and then may be advised to not say anything whether innocent or guilty. One of the problems with our country today is the willingness of so many to openly despise and communicate hatred for the duly elected President of the United States. I lost a lot of respect for some of my friends during the past eight years over that issue. I haven't changed my mind. People will believe what they choose to believe often despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2017, 08:52:00 PM » |
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Trump's problem with women has more to do with him cheating on his wives, saying he could "grab them by the pussies" than any feminism or women wanting their men pussy whipped. That assessment doesn't hold muster. You do realize they had to reach back over ten years to find that "offensive" remark. That was a little after the time Bill Clinton was openly cheating on his wife and was re-elected by a lot of these same people who chose to hate President Trump. ... If he has nothing to hide he should way the investigation and cooperate fully with it, including laying out his financial dealings with the Russians. I have my doubts that will happen. You are under the mistaken impression that the purpose of any investigation is to discover the truth. Most often the purpose of an investigation is to prove something was wrong. That proof may exist where you least expect it even despite the truth. Pay close attention to what a police officer warns his victims, Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." The intelligent person will simply say nothing until he is properly represented and then may be advised to not say anything whether innocent or guilty. One of the problems with our country today is the willingness of so many to openly despise and communicate hatred for the duly elected President of the United States. I lost a lot of respect for some of my friends during the past eight years over that issue. I haven't changed my mind. People will believe what they choose to believe often despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So, do you feel his "woman problem" is more do to feminism and pussy whipped men ? I agree it would be the wise thing to remain silent. I don't necessarily think the purpose of an investigation is to discover the truth. I think it's main goal is to discover wrongdoing. The point I was trying to make is, it's much easier if you have nothing to hide.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2017, 06:59:06 AM » |
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If there is one thing I have learned it I that our country cannot afford another 8 years like we just endured. I'm not talking about Obama's policies but the almost total gridlock where the whole country is treading water and slowing sinking just from the load of crap everyone is having to deal with.
If Trump is in bed with the Russians I hope he is exposed and prosecuted. However until that happens he has a job to do and as long as he is working for all Americans for the betterment of the country, I'm behind him.
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2017, 07:28:38 AM » |
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So, do you feel his "woman problem" is more do to feminism and pussy whipped men ?
I agree it would be the wise thing to remain silent. I don't necessarily think the purpose of an investigation is to discover the truth. I think it's main goal is to discover wrongdoing. The point I was trying to make is, it's much easier if you have nothing to hide.
I can't fully comprehend the meaning of the question. It's sort of like, "When did you stop beating your wife?" Over ten years ago the man made in improper remark on a secret open microphone. I'm not entirely sure that even means he had a "woman problem" over ten years ago. I'm certainly glad no one has had an open mike every time I've been in private conversation with another man. I made no reference, that I remember, to either feminism or pussy whipped men. I've made comments about both in the past by gratefully there were no open mikes.  "Woman problem" was largely created by the media. Check on the number of women who voted for Donald Trump despite he was running against the projected first female president. If I had that many women supporting me no one would imagine that I have a woman problem. We are of similar beliefs regarding investigations. The difference being that you accept that the purpose of some investigations is to "discover" wrong doing. My belief is that the purpose of many investigations is to "prove" wrong doing even if they have to manipulate the evidence. An investigative team only justifies its existence by succeeding in "uncovering" wrong doing. People will believe what they choose to believe. If one finds himself regularly eating what the general media is serving up he has already sacrificed his intellect to an agenda. I voted for Donald Trump in the General election. As I have said before it was primarily a vote against Hillary Clinton. I didn't vote for President Clinton either so it wasn't solely due to my woman problem. Donald Trump did what I needed him to do when he nominated a Supreme Court justice. Impeachment? The thought of Barrack Obama being impeached scared me to death. His vice president would have made an even worse president. The thought of impeachment or resignation of Donald Trump doesn't scare me at all. His vice president would make a fine president. Truthfully I would have been more enthused for the Republican ticket had it been reversed in roles. In the presidential election the Republican party did not necessarily select the best possible man for the job. History has shown that they picked the man who was capable of defeating Hillary Clinton. I'm not certain any of their other options could have. By the way. You misquoted. It was over ten years ago and you are heavily biased so it is understandable.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2017, 07:44:19 AM » |
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The question really wasn't mine. I was repeating the OP's observation. We are all biased. 
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2017, 07:53:51 AM » |
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But can he use his positive qualities to lead us out of the quagmire we are in?
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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2017, 08:11:29 AM » |
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"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
OK, so then defend yourselves against the rest of the world in stead of depending on the US. Manufacture your own cars and goods, instead of American cars and goods (that stole OUR jobs). Stop your one way dependence on the US, then you won't have to worry about the elephant.
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2017, 08:23:32 AM » |
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"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
OK, so then defend yourselves against the rest of the world in stead of depending on the US. Manufacture your own cars and goods, instead of American cars and goods (that stole OUR jobs). Stop your one way dependence on the US, then you won't have to worry about the elephant. When has Canada depended on the USA for their defense ? They also have plenty of manufacturing. Seems we want to alienate all our friends and allies lately. And lube up for the Rooskies.
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2017, 08:36:06 AM » |
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Which you describe as his positive qualities ?
A supreme court justice who's not "progressive" is good enough for all four years... -Mike
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