Re. Global Warming.....I found this kinda funny.

[John Schmidt]

READ TO THE END. SNOPES says the ending is true.

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway. 

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

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I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 , as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 93 years ago.

This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle farts.

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I thought that last line was hilarious, the entire article kinda supports my notion that the warming is cyclical. Especially when you consider what I've stated before on here.....it's been proven the Norsemen traveled the northern passage to North America hundreds of years ago due to that dreaded global warming that melted the ice. Must have also had more horses and cattle back then. 

[..]

From only 17 years ago

March 2000

"However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."

From yesterday

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Snowbound-California-roads-still-getting-a-major-11221528.php

[old2soon]

If you were able to throw the entire Earths treasury at the warming "problem" I M H O man would NEVER be able to cure it. On the other hand if air pollution was worth $1000.00 U S per cubic foot it would be dealt with AND eliminated before the end of the month. John-in my limited research I've run across that word-cyclical-describing the heating/cooling cycles the Earth goes thru more than once. The one thing I did notice they may or may not merit mention-fairly sure not one politician has used-cyclical-while talking about global warming/cooling! But I could be wrong about my observation of word usage by politicians. RIDE SAFE.

[Gryphon Rider]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

[John Schmidt]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

I'd love to ask Gore that question, then time how long he stutters before trying to answer. 

[Patrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNn7lkO_dkM

Its funny that I was just thinking about this. I don't normally like watching this guy, but, I found this video  funny.  


There is also a recent report regarding the NAO [ North Atlantic Oscillation] and the agency [who name I can't think of right now] that keeps track of the ice bergs in the shipping lanes that the number of ice bergs has remained about the same since they starting such data [ while some tree huggers groups, not that theres anything always wrong with tree huggers, insist the ice bergs and ice in general is decreasing] and that the amount of ice is building at an unexpected increasing rate.



WW2 aircraft left on the Arctic Ice Cap are now being found and brought up from 250-300 ft of ice. Thats quite a task.  


Since ice is one of the very few materials that expands as it freezes, wouldn't it then shrink as it thaws. So, wouldn't the ocean level then drop.  I'm just thinking out loud and thats not really put forth as a question.  

[Oss]

shrinkage?

sounds like a Seinfeld episode   

[Wizzard]

you got to give Gore the credit that he created an incredible wealth for himself with all this false BS.
If you want to mind  control a major portion of a population, create fear what you are promoting. End of story

[GiG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNn7lkO_dkM

Since ice is one of the very few materials that expands as it freezes, wouldn't it then shrink as it thaws. So, wouldn't the ocean level then drop.  I'm just thinking out loud and thats not really put forth as a question.  

Since you didn't ask a question, here's the answer:

Put ice cubes in a glass and fill the glass with water all the way to the brim.
The ice  cubes will be both below and above the water level (like icebergs in the ocean).
Allow the ice cubes to melt.

What do you think will happen to the water level in the glass?

Yep, you got it.
The water level remains the same!

Oh, well, so much for old Al Gore's ocean rising plan to go surfin' in Tennessee...  

[Hacked Valk]

That's true,but the ice captive in the polar regions and glaciers is not currrently "IN" the water. put more ice cubes in the full glass and something different does happen.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

I don't think so. I can only speak to the ice and permafrost in Alaska. But most of its ice is in mountainous glaciers, which are mostly just exposed rock when they recede. Eventually maybe over many years. As far as the permafrost. Plants are already growing where it exists. There is evidence that as the permafrost disappears larger alders will grow. The net affect of all the released methane from their receding and larger alders is in question. There is no question in my mind about the amount of glacier recession. Just in my lifetime it has been huge.

[Hacked Valk]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

I don't think so. I can only speak to the ice and permafrost in Alaska. But most of its ice is in mountainous glaciers, which are mostly just exposed rock when they recede. Eventually maybe over many years. As far as the permafrost. Plants are already growing where it exists. There is evidence that as the permafrost disappears larger alders will grow. The net affect of all the released methane from their receding and larger alders is in question. There is no question in my mind about the amount of glacier recession. Just in my lifetime it has been huge.

if you want to see Glacier National Park in Montana you better go now.

[MP]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

I don't think so. I can only speak to the ice and permafrost in Alaska. But most of its ice is in mountainous glaciers, which are mostly just exposed rock when they recede. Eventually maybe over many years. As far as the permafrost. Plants are already growing where it exists. There is evidence that as the permafrost disappears larger alders will grow. The net affect of all the released methane from their receding and larger alders is in question. There is no question in my mind about the amount of glacier recession. Just in my lifetime it has been huge.

Yes, but the question is why, and what is causing it, and can or should anything be attempted to stop it.

Look at pics from before 1900, the earliest ones, of Glacier Park.  Then compare to 1920's pics.  The Glaciers have noticeably receded. This is BEFORE any claimed "man made global warming" is said to have begun.

I, and a lot of others, truly believe the vast majority of this so called warming, is natural.  And, that no amount of money and life style changes by us humans, will do a tiddly damn to stop it.

[Hooter]

I remember all the claims about live stock fart and that their methane gas was affecting the climate.     Ol Gore collected big off his assumption of global warming.

[Alberta Patriot]

George Carlin on Global Warming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

[Gavin_Sons]

As the ice/permafrost recedes, shouldn't there be more earth exposed that will grow plants that convert CO₂ to O₂?

I don't think so. I can only speak to the ice and permafrost in Alaska. But most of its ice is in mountainous glaciers, which are mostly just exposed rock when they recede. Eventually maybe over many years. As far as the permafrost. Plants are already growing where it exists. There is evidence that as the permafrost disappears larger alders will grow. The net affect of all the released methane from their receding and larger alders is in question. There is no question in my mind about the amount of glacier recession. Just in my lifetime it has been huge.

Yes, but the question is why, and what is causing it, and can or should anything be attempted to stop it.

Look at pics from before 1900, the earliest ones, of Glacier Park.  Then compare to 1920's pics.  The Glaciers have noticeably receded. This is BEFORE any claimed "man made global warming" is said to have begun.

I, and a lot of others, truly believe the vast majority of this so called warming, is natural.  And, that no amount of money and life style changes by us humans, will do a tiddly damn to stop it.

But the earth saving Liberals will spend billions for nothing except lining their pockets.

[Valker]

Well, according to the great majority of geologists, North America was once covered by glaciers. Some of those retreated thousands of miles to have the land we do now. What's the difference? What CAUSED that warming?

[Alberta Patriot]

Scientists(the real ones) say we are living in an interglacial period...AN INTERGLACIAL PERIOD...!!! The last one ended only 12,000 years ago...not even the snap of the finger in the global timeline, so the Earth's ice is still receding from that one...there has been 4 in the last 400.000 years so I guess we are good for at least the next 15 for good riding weather on this wonderful blue/green sphere.
Keep cranking out that carbon boys and girls...maybe we can stave off the next ice age for an extra thousand years  

[da prez]

If all the politicians would quit talking , hot air problem would be gone.

                                     da prez

[SirLancelot]

My my that was good, who is this man?

[Alberta Patriot]

If all the politicians would quit talking , hot air problem would be gone.

                                    da prez

Ya...Well just when you think the political ruling class could not possibly come up with anything more ridiculous to say...they just keep talkin'
BTW...I live in Canada so I am not going to discourage the political blowhards for crankin' out the hot air...we need all we can get up here...are you listening Justin  

[Alberta Patriot]

BTW...my regularity is a little off lately...maybe I need a little extra Carbon Fiber in my diet.

[Alpha Dog]

If all the politicians would quit talking , hot air problem would be gone.

                                    da prez

Ya...Well just when you think the political ruling class could not possibly come up with anything more ridiculous to say...they just keep talkin'
BTW...I live in Canada so I am not going to discourage the political blowhards for crankin' out the hot air...we need all we can get up here...are you listening Justin  

I will make you a deal 7th.  We will blow you up all the hot air you can handle if in turn you guys and gals up their in the Great North will quit sending us those dang gone Arctic cold fronts in the late fall through the early spring.

[Alberta Patriot]

If all the politicians would quit talking , hot air problem would be gone.

                                    da prez

Ya...Well just when you think the political ruling class could not possibly come up with anything more ridiculous to say...they just keep talkin'
BTW...I live in Canada so I am not going to discourage the political blowhards for crankin' out the hot air...we need all we can get up here...are you listening Justin  

I will make you a deal 7th.  We will blow you up all the hot air you can handle if in turn you guys and gals up their in the Great North will quit sending us those dang gone Arctic cold fronts in the late fall through the early spring.

What cold fronts...the Global Warming "Scientists" are saying that does not happen anymore...it is all just a figment of your imagination... so get with the program will ya'.

[old2soon]

From now on ALL politicians are banned from talking Unless And UNTIL they have something intelligent to say or relate to us AND that includes Current sitting President Trump. IFFIN I gotz this figured correctly we May even hear the crickets in deception central.  But I KNOW dat ain't NEVER gonna be.  RIDE SAFE.

[Alpha Dog]

If all the politicians would quit talking , hot air problem would be gone.

                                    da prez

Ya...Well just when you think the political ruling class could not possibly come up with anything more ridiculous to say...they just keep talkin'
BTW...I live in Canada so I am not going to discourage the political blowhards for crankin' out the hot air...we need all we can get up here...are you listening Justin  

I will make you a deal 7th.  We will blow you up all the hot air you can handle if in turn you guys and gals up their in the Great North will quit sending us those dang gone Arctic cold fronts in the late fall through the early spring.

What cold fronts...the Global Warming "Scientists" are saying that does not happen anymore...it is all just a figment of your imagination... so get with the program will ya'.

You are right.  How foolish of me.

[specialdose]

                   Climate Hustle.......well worth the $3.99 to rent on youtube.   To make this post motorcycle related my preference for riding temps are 40 to 75 degrees, low humidity. Watch this and you will see
          what buffoons one of our past V. POTUS and one POTUS are on this particular subject.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I blame the Russians.

[oldsmokey]

Sooo.. Is it a good thing or bad thing, that tweeting causes no hot air? 

[Crackerborn]

Sooo.. Is it a good thing or bad thing, that tweeting causes no hot air? 

I disagree with the assumption that Twitter causes no hot air. IMHO, Twitter is all hot air converted to digital media and thus spread around the world causing mass distribution of digital hot air in more locations as the media is opened. The bigger problem is digital hot air seems to be self-propagating.

[Jabba]

What about the argument that a single volcano eruption puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than man has in our entire existence?



Jabba

[MP]

What about the argument that a single volcano eruption puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than man has in our entire existence?



Jabba

I have heard that asked.  Their answer is    "that is natural, so it does not upset the balance like man does.  Mans tiny contribution to overall carbon emissions is what screws it all up".  I really doubt if the earth can tell if it is "natural" carbon, or "man produced" carbon, but that is their answer, and they are sticking to it!

[Patrick]

What about the argument that a single volcano eruption puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than man has in our entire existence?



Jabba

I've been reading that for decades and happen to believe it.  There are the skeptics as MP mentioned. I too don't know how the system knows the difference between the two. If I remember correctly we contribute about 2%.

As I've mentioned before, I'm waiting for amounts to reach the historic levels of 800-900ppm. i think we''l be better off for it.

[Alpha Dog]

What about the argument that a single volcano eruption puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than man has in our entire existence?



Jabba

I've been reading that for decades and happen to believe it.  There are the skeptics as MP mentioned. I too don't know how the system knows the difference between the two. If I remember correctly we contribute about 2%.

As I've mentioned before, I'm waiting for amounts to reach the historic levels of 800-900ppm. i think we''l be better off for it.

I am not sure what the historic highs were.  I did read a few days ago that the Mesozoic period ( Dinosaurs )  the level may have been 4000 to 8000 and the animals and forest and vegetation grew large and thrived.  And the Cambrian period before this was high also.

[Patrick]

What about the argument that a single volcano eruption puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than man has in our entire existence?



Jabba

I've been reading that for decades and happen to believe it.  There are the skeptics as MP mentioned. I too don't know how the system knows the difference between the two. If I remember correctly we contribute about 2%.

As I've mentioned before, I'm waiting for amounts to reach the historic levels of 800-900ppm. i think we''l be better off for it.

I am not sure what the historic highs were.  I did read a few days ago that the Mesozoic period ( Dinosaurs )  the level may have been 4000 to 8000 and the animals and forest and vegetation grew large and thrived.  And the Cambrian period before this was high also.

I've not seen anything on the CO2 levels being that high.  There is report that claims they were 4-5 times todays level during the Mesozoic period. But, thats all I've seen, not to say its right.  I'm just a big fan of CO2 and I think we could do well with some more of it.

[Robert]

Have you been hearing about carbon footprint being a big problem, well what bs, now finding out that molten carbon is below Yellowstone National Park, which in and of itself is a super volcano with the power of a massive eruption. So CO2 and carbon the two things they say man is responsible for just bit the dust.

Article below:
A recent scientific discovery has drastically changed our view of the global carbon cycle and identified a new significant risk. Researchers have discovered a giant lake or reservoir made up of molten carbon sitting below the western US.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/04/30/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-the-size-of-mexico-was-just-discovered-under-the-us/#1494b882420b

The molten carbon (primarily in the form of carbonate) reservoir could drastically and immediately change the global climate for over a decade if it were to be released. Thankfully there is little risk in the near future of this happening. The carbon sits 217 miles beneath the surface of the Earth in the upper mantle and has no immediate pathway to the surface. In total the lake covers approximately 700,000 square miles, approximately the size of Mexico. This has redefined how much carbon scientists believe sits locked away in the Earth's mantle and its interaction with surface and atmospheric carbon.

You may be asking why and how this lake of molten carbonate exists in the first place. It is a result of the Pacific Plate subducting underneath the North American Plate. As the Pacific Plate subducts, it experiences increasingly high pressures and temperatures. This, combined with the presence of gasses such as CO2 and water locked away in the rock, allows for partial melting of the plate. This is a similar process by which the Rockies Mountains formed in the western US.

In part due to this research, scientists now believe the Earth's upper mantle may hold up to 100 trillion metric tons of carbon. To put this into perspective, the US EPA estimated that in total 10 billion metric tons of carbon was emitted in 2011, or approximately 0.01% of the carbon sitting in Earth's mantle. Thankfully the release of the mantle's carbon happens very slowly over time primarily through volcanic eruptions. However, paleoclimatic fluctuations in CO2, creating ice ages and greenhouse global conditions are partially linked to dynamic changes in volcanism.


http://www.geologyin.com/2017/04/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-size-of.html

[G-Man]

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I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 , as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 93 years ago.


                                                    +++++++++++

The Washington Post...... Reporting Fake News for 95 years!   

[Patrick]

Have you been hearing about carbon footprint being a big problem, well what bs, now finding out that molten carbon is below Yellowstone National Park, which in and of itself is a super volcano with the power of a massive eruption. So CO2 and carbon the two things they say man is responsible for just bit the dust.

Article below:
A recent scientific discovery has drastically changed our view of the global carbon cycle and identified a new significant risk. Researchers have discovered a giant lake or reservoir made up of molten carbon sitting below the western US.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/04/30/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-the-size-of-mexico-was-just-discovered-under-the-us/#1494b882420b

The molten carbon (primarily in the form of carbonate) reservoir could drastically and immediately change the global climate for over a decade if it were to be released. Thankfully there is little risk in the near future of this happening. The carbon sits 217 miles beneath the surface of the Earth in the upper mantle and has no immediate pathway to the surface. In total the lake covers approximately 700,000 square miles, approximately the size of Mexico. This has redefined how much carbon scientists believe sits locked away in the Earth's mantle and its interaction with surface and atmospheric carbon.

You may be asking why and how this lake of molten carbonate exists in the first place. It is a result of the Pacific Plate subducting underneath the North American Plate. As the Pacific Plate subducts, it experiences increasingly high pressures and temperatures. This, combined with the presence of gasses such as CO2 and water locked away in the rock, allows for partial melting of the plate. This is a similar process by which the Rockies Mountains formed in the western US.

In part due to this research, scientists now believe the Earth's upper mantle may hold up to 100 trillion metric tons of carbon. To put this into perspective, the US EPA estimated that in total 10 billion metric tons of carbon was emitted in 2011, or approximately 0.01% of the carbon sitting in Earth's mantle. Thankfully the release of the mantle's carbon happens very slowly over time primarily through volcanic eruptions. However, paleoclimatic fluctuations in CO2, creating ice ages and greenhouse global conditions are partially linked to dynamic changes in volcanism.


http://www.geologyin.com/2017/04/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-size-of.html

Yep, its been know for decades that the area around Yellowstone is a time bomb overdue to go off again [as it has in the past].  Its claimed that will destroy western US and drastically alter the world climate for a century.

[..]

Have you been hearing about carbon footprint being a big problem, well what bs, now finding out that molten carbon is below Yellowstone National Park, which in and of itself is a super volcano with the power of a massive eruption. So CO2 and carbon the two things they say man is responsible for just bit the dust.

Article below:
A recent scientific discovery has drastically changed our view of the global carbon cycle and identified a new significant risk. Researchers have discovered a giant lake or reservoir made up of molten carbon sitting below the western US.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/04/30/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-the-size-of-mexico-was-just-discovered-under-the-us/#1494b882420b

The molten carbon (primarily in the form of carbonate) reservoir could drastically and immediately change the global climate for over a decade if it were to be released. Thankfully there is little risk in the near future of this happening. The carbon sits 217 miles beneath the surface of the Earth in the upper mantle and has no immediate pathway to the surface. In total the lake covers approximately 700,000 square miles, approximately the size of Mexico. This has redefined how much carbon scientists believe sits locked away in the Earth's mantle and its interaction with surface and atmospheric carbon.

You may be asking why and how this lake of molten carbonate exists in the first place. It is a result of the Pacific Plate subducting underneath the North American Plate. As the Pacific Plate subducts, it experiences increasingly high pressures and temperatures. This, combined with the presence of gasses such as CO2 and water locked away in the rock, allows for partial melting of the plate. This is a similar process by which the Rockies Mountains formed in the western US.

In part due to this research, scientists now believe the Earth's upper mantle may hold up to 100 trillion metric tons of carbon. To put this into perspective, the US EPA estimated that in total 10 billion metric tons of carbon was emitted in 2011, or approximately 0.01% of the carbon sitting in Earth's mantle. Thankfully the release of the mantle's carbon happens very slowly over time primarily through volcanic eruptions. However, paleoclimatic fluctuations in CO2, creating ice ages and greenhouse global conditions are partially linked to dynamic changes in volcanism.


http://www.geologyin.com/2017/04/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-size-of.html

Yep, its been know for decades that the area around Yellowstone is a time bomb overdue to go off again [as it has in the past].  Its claimed that will destroy western US and drastically alter the world climate for a century.

Yellowstone 4.5 today. Follows a swarm of 2's and 3's. Numbers are going the wrong way. 

[Patrick]

Have you been hearing about carbon footprint being a big problem, well what bs, now finding out that molten carbon is below Yellowstone National Park, which in and of itself is a super volcano with the power of a massive eruption. So CO2 and carbon the two things they say man is responsible for just bit the dust.

Article below:
A recent scientific discovery has drastically changed our view of the global carbon cycle and identified a new significant risk. Researchers have discovered a giant lake or reservoir made up of molten carbon sitting below the western US.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/04/30/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-the-size-of-mexico-was-just-discovered-under-the-us/#1494b882420b

The molten carbon (primarily in the form of carbonate) reservoir could drastically and immediately change the global climate for over a decade if it were to be released. Thankfully there is little risk in the near future of this happening. The carbon sits 217 miles beneath the surface of the Earth in the upper mantle and has no immediate pathway to the surface. In total the lake covers approximately 700,000 square miles, approximately the size of Mexico. This has redefined how much carbon scientists believe sits locked away in the Earth's mantle and its interaction with surface and atmospheric carbon.

You may be asking why and how this lake of molten carbonate exists in the first place. It is a result of the Pacific Plate subducting underneath the North American Plate. As the Pacific Plate subducts, it experiences increasingly high pressures and temperatures. This, combined with the presence of gasses such as CO2 and water locked away in the rock, allows for partial melting of the plate. This is a similar process by which the Rockies Mountains formed in the western US.

In part due to this research, scientists now believe the Earth's upper mantle may hold up to 100 trillion metric tons of carbon. To put this into perspective, the US EPA estimated that in total 10 billion metric tons of carbon was emitted in 2011, or approximately 0.01% of the carbon sitting in Earth's mantle. Thankfully the release of the mantle's carbon happens very slowly over time primarily through volcanic eruptions. However, paleoclimatic fluctuations in CO2, creating ice ages and greenhouse global conditions are partially linked to dynamic changes in volcanism.


http://www.geologyin.com/2017/04/a-massive-lake-of-molten-carbon-size-of.html

Yep, its been know for decades that the area around Yellowstone is a time bomb overdue to go off again [as it has in the past].  Its claimed that will destroy western US and drastically alter the world climate for a century.

Yellowstone 4.5 today. Follows a swarm of 2's and 3's. Numbers are going the wrong way. 

Yep. Some of the really really smart fellas say Yellowstone was and will be again one of if not the largest eruptions ever. Its also said we are overdue for a pole reversal. No one was around for the last one so no one is quite sure what will happen when it happens. I rather doubt the only result will be the water reversing its swirl down the drain.