bike vrs car.......BIKE wins

[DirtyDan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-motorcyclist-kicks-car-triggers-155759516.html

no idea what the back story is but that was some control he showed {of bike not the kick}

dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

Looks like it was more luck on his part than skill. I think he would have been better off just getting away from the car.

[art]

It doesn't look good for the biker if caught by the cops. This is a road rage and some one started it but both are at fault for some one else's injury and possible death. No excuse, the biker did not have to kick the car, he could have backed off. I have see friends get involved in road rage an were lucky that the auto driver didn't react like that. Bu the looks of that bike he could have out run the car or got away from him easy. Also he left the seen of an accident.

[Jess from VA]

My take away is this;  before you decide to do something/anything wild and crazy out on the road, remember there is a damn good chance you are going to be on some video..... which will be on local (and maybe national) TV at 11.

Kicking a car is STUPID.  Not like everyone hasn't felt like it from time to time.  

If the driver of that car was not a nitwit, she could have taken that bike out cleanly (and permanently).

If you absolutely have to kick a car, hang back and follow it to the destination.  After it's parked and the occupants leave, then go up and have at it.  But you'll probably be on camera there too (so be sure and smile).        

[oldsmokey]

My take away is this;  before you decide to do something/anything wild and crazy out on the road, remember there is a damn good chance you are going to be on some video..... which will be on local (and maybe national) TV at 11.

Kicking a car is STUPID.  Not like everyone hasn't felt like it from time to time.  

If the driver of that car was not a nitwit, she could have taken that bike out cleanly (and permanently).

If you absolutely have to kick a car, hang back and follow it to the destination.  After it's parked and the occupants leave, then go up and have at it.  But you'll probably be on camera there too (so be sure and smile).        

That's Right. Someone somewhere is always watching you. Except I catch the early news at 9. 11 is too late.

[Dave Ritsema]

Stupid, selfish move on the part of the biker. None of that had to happen, he escalated the situation then drives off knowing full well someone could be hurt. I hope the law finds him and he is penalized appropriately.

[J.Mencalice]

The clip was on the national news TV this evening and they interviewed an older gentleman from the pickup truck that got center punched and rolled.  He was a bit beat up but survived; when the CHP finds both idiots that caused the crash, they'll hang their carcasses high for all to see and reflect upon.

[MP]

The car moved in on the biker. From a longer version.
Then the biker kicked. The car then swerved, attempting to hit the bike, instead losing control. The kick did not make the car swerve. No one can kick that hard.
Physics involved. For every action, and equal and opposite reaction. If hard enough to move the car, the bike would have been affected several times more, as the car weighs several times the bikes mass.

[3fan4life]

I would like to see what happened that caused the biker to kick the car.

Jess is right, it's a dumb thing to do, but most of us have felt like doing it.

The rider did do a great job of staying upright after the kick.

I don't know if it was skill or just dumb luck but his avoiding the spinning car and the flying debri is impressive.

Technically, he did leave the scene of an accident, it could've been to clean out his shorts.

I'm not sure that we should rush to condemn him though.

It is possible that he didn't see that other vehicles were involved.

I know that I would have a hard time stopping to help someone that had just tried to kill me.

My initial reaction would be that the SOB got what he deserved.

And if I did stop it would be very hard not to drag the SOB out of his car and beat the crap out of him.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It's pretty hard to determine all that from the video. The driver could have oblivious to his surroundings and been startled when kicked. Turned to look and took the steering wheel with him. I'm pretty sure the rider would have looked back in his mirror and seen all the carnage.

[Robert]

I don't believe the driver was startled at all and tried to kill the biker or at very least make him fall by swerving into him. That to me is attempted murder, if charged the most the biker could get was causing an accident.  We don't know what happened before that may have lead up to this, and I find it funny that some stories and some people think the big bad biker just picked this guy out of a bunch of cars came racing in and kicked his door for no apparent reason.

  Been in to many incidents including people pushing me out of my lane just because they had the car to be sympathetic right now. I also think it may not be a bad thing in all, since no one was hurt and it may make people think before infringing on a motorcycles right to the lane.

I was on the Turnpike and a lady wanted to move into my lane while next to me. Laying on the air horn and motioning did no good. She kept coming I had to accelerate to get out of the way. The good thing was there was a Trooper on the side of the road as this was coming down and turned the lights on and went after her seeing what was happening.

I had another girl on a cell and just decided she wanted to move over and I was about at the drivers door. Same thing lay on the horn she actually looked at me and proceeded to keep moving over and didn't give a dam.

Dont know the scenario but people don't give a dam about bikes and would like them off the road. Does anyone remember the one that the motorcycle tried to pass the old guy and he moved over hit the bike and caused the bike to crash. He's in jail now, most dont have motorcycles best interest at heart.

[3fan4life]

It's pretty hard to determine all that from the video. The driver could have oblivious to his surroundings and been startled when kicked. Turned to look and took the steering wheel with him. I'm pretty sure the rider would have looked back in his mirror and seen all the carnage.

I do believe that I led by saying that I'd like to see what happened to provoke the kick.

You are making the assumption that he had an immediate ability to process rational thoughts.

If all of that had just taken place around me, I'd still be trying to process WTF just happened.


Update:

I just saw a video of it on TV.

The quality is better and it is clear that the rider had to see the flipping truck.

It still doesn't show what happened before the kick though.    

[Fazer]

One of the first things I learned, and didn't have to ride to do so, is that a car is larger than a bike.  No matter how mad, or how bad you are, you are not going to be able to beat the smallest car.  The biker should not have escalated the encounter, whatever happened previously.  And should not have left the scene. 

[3fan4life]

I don't believe the driver was startled at all and tried to kill the biker or at very least make him fall by swerving into him. That to me is attempted murder, if charged the most the biker could get was causing an accident.

 

If it happened to me I would definitely assume that they were trying to kill me.  

We don't know what happened before that may have lead up to this, and I find it funny that some stories and some people think the big bad biker just picked this guy out of a bunch of cars came racing in and kicked his door for no apparent reason.

Apparently, even some here on a "Biker Forum" also think that was the case.

  Been in to many incidents including people pushing me out of my lane just because they had the car to be sympathetic right now. I also think it may not be a bad thing in all, since no one was hurt and it may make people think before infringing on a motorcycles right to the lane.

I was on the Turnpike and a lady wanted to move into my lane while next to me. Laying on the air horn and motioning did no good. She kept coming I had to accelerate to get out of the way. The good thing was there was a Trooper on the side of the road as this was coming down and turned the lights on and went after her seeing what was happening.

I had another girl on a cell and just decided she wanted to move over and I was about at the drivers door. Same thing lay on the horn she actually looked at me and proceeded to keep moving over and didn't give a dam.

Dont know the scenario but people don't give a dam about bikes and would like them off the road. Does anyone remember the one that the motorcycle tried to pass the old guy and he moved over hit the bike and caused the bike to crash. He's in jail now, most dont have motorcycles best interest at heart.

People, especially the younger generation seem to think that everyone is just supposed to get out of their way.

I overheard a conversation between a man and his son last weekend. The son was saying that he went to change lanes and another car hit him. The man was telling the son that if he got hit changing lanes that he was at fault. The son couldn't seem to see it that way.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It's pretty hard to determine all that from the video. The driver could have oblivious to his surroundings and been startled when kicked. Turned to look and took the steering wheel with him. I'm pretty sure the rider would have looked back in his mirror and seen all the carnage.

I do believe that I led by saying that I'd like to see what happened to provoke the kick.

You are making the assumption that he had an immediate ability to process rational thoughts.

If all of that had just taken place around me, I'd still be trying to process WTF just happened.


Update:

I just saw a video of it on TV.

The quality is better and it is clear that the rider had to see the flipping truck.

It still doesn't show what happened before the kick though.    

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying its hard to know exactly what went down from that video.

[3fan4life]

One of the first things I learned, and didn't have to ride to do so, is that a car is larger than a bike.  No matter how mad, or how bad you are, you are not going to be able to beat the smallest car.

 

Agreed.
 

The biker should not have escalated the encounter, whatever happened previously. 

Kicking the car wasn't smart.

Honestly, have you never had a driver do something so idiotic that the thought of kicking in his door crossed your mind?

It has crossed my mind many times.

A realization of the physics involved and of the likely outcome has always kept me from actually doing it.

And should not have left the scene.

Legally he should not have kept going.

We will probably never know why he didn't stop.

Like I said previously, If that had happened to me and I did stop, it would be very hard to resist the urge to drag the driver out of his car and beat the crap out of him.

[..]

The kick did not make the car swerve. No one can kick that hard.
Physics involved. For every action, and equal and opposite reaction. If hard enough to move the car, the bike would have been affected several times more, as the car weighs several times the bikes mass.

Yep.

Long time ago I kicked a van door in Parliament Square London whilst riding my messenger bike. Nearly pushed myself over on my side.

Never again.

[3fan4life]

It's pretty hard to determine all that from the video. The driver could have oblivious to his surroundings and been startled when kicked. Turned to look and took the steering wheel with him. I'm pretty sure the rider would have looked back in his mirror and seen all the carnage.

I do believe that I led by saying that I'd like to see what happened to provoke the kick.

You are making the assumption that he had an immediate ability to process rational thoughts.

If all of that had just taken place around me, I'd still be trying to process WTF just happened.


Update:

I just saw a video of it on TV.

The quality is better and it is clear that the rider had to see the flipping truck.

It still doesn't show what happened before the kick though.    

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying its hard to know exactly what went down from that video.

You and I seem to speak two completely different languages.

For what it's worth I am glad that we are in agreement here.

[Pete]

I feel sorry for the people in the pickup truck. Minding there own business and BOOM.
As for the car driver - no sorrow here, traffic ticket required.
As for the biker - I can understand, but not a smart move for several reasons, I hope this was a learning experience for him.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I also think it may not be a bad thing in all, since no one was hurt and it may make people think before infringing on a motorcycles right to the lane.

That's some messed up thinking. 

[J.Mencalice]

I don't believe the driver was startled at all and tried to kill the biker or at very least make him fall by swerving into him. That to me is attempted murder, if charged the most the biker could get was causing an accident.  We don't know what happened before that may have lead up to this, and I find it funny that some stories and some people think the big bad biker just picked this guy out of a bunch of cars came racing in and kicked his door for no apparent reason.

  Been in to many incidents including people pushing me out of my lane just because they had the car to be sympathetic right now. I also think it may not be a bad thing in all, since no one was hurt and it may make people think before infringing on a motorcycles right to the lane.

I was on the Turnpike and a lady wanted to move into my lane while next to me. Laying on the air horn and motioning did no good. She kept coming I had to accelerate to get out of the way. The good thing was there was a Trooper on the side of the road as this was coming down and turned the lights on and went after her seeing what was happening.

I had another girl on a cell and just decided she wanted to move over and I was about at the drivers door. Same thing lay on the horn she actually looked at me and proceeded to keep moving over and didn't give a dam.

Dont know the scenario but people don't give a dam about bikes and would like them off the road. Does anyone remember the one that the motorcycle tried to pass the old guy and he moved over hit the bike and caused the bike to crash. He's in jail now, most dont have motorcycles best interest at heart.

No one got killed but the innocent driver of the pickup truck (an older man) did get hurt, was brought to a hospital with what I saw as cuts on his head at the least and an evidently traumatic story to tell.  His story was that he was hit, flipped over and all he saw was the roadway and the sky as his truck was upended and sliding down the freeway.  I do think it was "a bad thing in all" and that the Harley rider and auto combatant should be made to make a face-to-face apology to the truck driver and pay for everything that they took away from him that day and for many days to come.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/road-rage-accident-caught-on-video-california-freeway/

Here's the story. 

[Savago]

The biker was stupid for escalating the situation.

That being said, there is no way on Earth a biker can kick a car out of its way because of physics (800 pounds bike X 2 tons car = impossible).

I think is clear that the car driver swerved trying to hit the biker and lost control. It is only by miracle the rider didn't get caught.

If in one side, the biker was stupid, on the other side the car driver was stupid *and* murderous.

[DirtyDan]

For the record.......asshats all around..... still a hack of a thing 

Dan

[Robert]

OK, so if the driver was so innocent, why when his door was hit, and probably not even hard enough to feel, didn't he just drive off and take the advice of many here since the motorcycle guy obviously did not?

 You know I have had quite a few do bone head stuff to me when I was on the bike and a simple sorry was all it took for me to move on.


caption from the article:
He says he began recording when he saw the freeway fight over a lane change suddenly shift into high gear.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't recall any of us saying the car driver was so innocent.  I do recall several of us saying it would have been wise of the MC rider to get out of the area. I recall only one saying it might be a good thing he initiated the wreck. 

[3fan4life]

Caption from the article:
He says he began recording when he saw the freeway fight over a lane change suddenly shift into high gear.

Which means that the video does not show what happened that caused the biker to retaliate.

The only thing that we know is that something pissed him off enough to kick the side of the car and what the result of that decision was.

It does look like the biker and the driver of the car may have exchanged some words just before he kicked the car.

It also appears that the car swerving into the bike was intentional and not the result of being startled.

This would be an interesting case to follow up on.

But, I have a feeling that this is all we will hear about it.

[pais]

   How quickly things escalate and get out of hand!

 https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/vb.86680728811/10155938250208812/?type=2&theater

[Gavin_Sons]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,95625.0.html

[RDKLL]

From facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/mike.huntermallett/posts/10159055378140434?comment_id=10159070360585434&notif_t=feed_comment_reply&notif_id=1498399561973191

[DirtyDan]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,95625.0.html

Thank you

I was getting dejavu

Dan

[..]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,95625.0.html

Thank you

I was getting dejavu

Dan

Again???

[pais]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,95625.0.html

Thank you

Sorry guys, I missed it the first er second.....Please remove.

I was getting dejavu

Dan

Again???

[old2soon]

Saw this BUT was not splained WHAT brought the whole darned thing to a boil. Also have to acknowledge the riding Skills of the rider-course had he NOT kicked the cages door!  RIDE SAFE.