earth old or new ?

[DirtyDan]

I felt like asking where everyone stood

I go with old

dan

[Robert]

I wasn't there, science is imperfect, Mans interpretation of things can be off, so I will wait for when we truly know. What I do know is God is good 

I have seen so many revelations and understandings of the bible are time related. These understandings and revelations change with time and like life reveals certain things at certain times. We 10 years ago would mention a one world government to anyone and the tin hat sign would come out but today we are fighting the beginnings of this world system. I may be around when this whole thing rolls up I dont know, but the age of the earth is irrelevant to knowing who made heaven and earth. Evolution is in a shambles and science itself has been proving things that the bible said all along. The very thing (science) set to replace the bible and call the bible false proves revelation after revelation. I can remember being taught we are descendants of monkeys and now science has not found this to be true yet we cling to evolution as a true standard. This is part of the world system, a set control and standard base that everyone can relate to. Without a one world, one teaching we cannot be a one world just like the new signs that say unity in religion.

[Gavin_Sons]

yeah, just not enough information or knowledge to know exactly how old the earth is. It's kind of like CPR, it use to be breath, chest compressions, breath, now it's just chest compressions.  They will change their mind about it next year for sure. All of these brilliant minds think they know all the answers but in fact all they have are theories. Theories that can not be proven one way or the other. I'll just continue to live my life and now worry about the things i can't control.

[3fan4life]

Even if were only 4,000 or so years old as some believe it would still be old.

I do believe that the actual age of the earth is much older than that.

I'm not sure that it is Billions of years old though.

I believe that the Bible is true.

I also believe that it doesn't tell us everything there is to know.

But it does tell us EVERYTHING that we need to know.


I watch a lot of programs on the Discovery Channel and others like it.

Mostly I have learned that Science has opposite and competing theories for just about everything.

And I have learned that sometimes the more they learn, the more they prove the Bible to be correct.

[Willow]

It's basically a dumbass question.  What is old?  More than 90 years?  What is new?  Less than a million?

What passes as science today has become a conglomeration of real scientific study with large doses of speculation.  I like science.  I don't trust speculation, even by folks who appear to be intellectually in the upper strata.  Much of the so called science community has further handicapped itself by setting a rule that if its explanation includes an intelligence or power beyond that of mankind it cannot be considered.

I am not at all sure of the "age of the physical Earth."  I believe firmly that any history of mankind that is applicable to my own life is limited to several thousand years.

I consider it the epitome of ignorance to seek determination of the correctness of one's belief based upon how many people agree or disagree.

I'm  sixty-six years old. My father was twenty-six at my birth.  His father was twenty-nine at his birth.  Based upon eye-witness accounts I am convinced the Earth is at least one hundred twenty years old.  

[..]

Natural Hisory Museum in London.

Young female attendant is standing by a dinosaur exhibit.

Visitor to the museum asks "how old is the dinosaur?"

"2 million and 3 years and 6 months and one week and 3 days." She replies.

"My, that's very precise." the visitor says.

The attendant says "well I was told it was 2 million years old when I started work here. And I've been here for 3 years and 6 months and one week and 3 days."

[Patrick]

Old or new seem like pretty relative terms, so, I'll go with old since we don't what we are comparing anything to.

I'm thinking once we're able to talk with other worlds/aliens that have been around longer than we have we might then know a little more.

[Reb]

I doubt the answer to the question will ever be answered in full. There are things beyond human understanding that neither science nor faith can or will answer.

Just watch Ancient Aliens on History Channel, they have all the answers. 

[Lyonardo]

OK, I thought about this from time to time over the years, so I might get long winded...

First of all, I've read the Bible, and it doesn't ever say the Earth is four thousand years old.
Modern day people just added up the family tree listed for Cain and Seth's descendants and came up with that number.
But to my mind, that quick list was never meant to be a complete genealogy of all humans since it doesn't mention where their wives came from.
Also, remember that Cain's forehead was marked as a sign to other people not to kill him. Then afterward, he left his family and went and lived in the "land of Nod".

Biblical scholars have lots of ideas on all of that; but my point is that obviously all the people of the Earth weren't included in the list, and it was never meant to be used to date the Earth.

Plus, who says those first seven days were the same as we define days now? Since there was no Earth to rotate before hand, why would 24 hours be the measurement?

For all we know, day one might have lasted billions of our years. Maybe day three was thousands of years. and day 7 was a period of 10 million years.

It's possible that the scientific discoveries are all pretty accurate, but the ancient descendants of Adam didn't have the words or ideas to describe the story of creation that was passed on to them.

My point? I don't think people have to choose between science and their faith.
Remember, the first genetic scientists were believers.
In fact, they were monks!

[Moonshot_1]

Reminds me of an old story

There was a little boy who lived in a far away land. Close to the boy's home, there was a tall mountain, always covered in snow at the top. Also at the top of the mountain, there was an ancient monastery where ancient monks lived.

Sometimes, the little boy, as he was riding his tricycle around his yard, would look up at the monastery on the tall mountain and wonder what it was like up there.

One day, when the wind was blowing down off the mountain, the air turned quite cold and the little boy could hear a very strange noise on the wind. It was coming from the monastery! He could not figure out what could possibly be making such a strange noise and he was curious.

So, the little boy made a peanut butter sandwich, hopped on his tricycle and started his ride up to the monastery. It took him hours and hours, but he finally made it to the top. He bravely pounded on the massive door to the monastery and the head monk opened the door.

"Hello, Mr. Monk, sir. Down at my home in the valley below, I heard a very strange noise coming from your monastery. Could you tell me what it is?"

"I'm sorry," replied the head monk, "I can't tell you. You aren't a monk."

Sadly, the little boy got back on his tricycle and rode all the way home, in a very foul and frustrated mood. He really did want to know what was making that noise.

The wind did not blow down off the mountain again until a couple years later. The boy was a bit bigger and stronger now and now rode around town on his bicycle.

As luck would have it, he was out riding when the wind blew down off the mountain, the air turned quite cold, and he heard a very strange noise on the wind. It was coming from the monastery! He could not figure out what could possibly be making such a strange noise and he was curious.

So, the bigger boy made a ham and cheese sandwich, hopped on his bicycle and started his ride up to the monastery. It took him hours, but he finally made it to the top. He pounded on the massive door to the monastery and the head monk opened the door.

"Hey, Mr. Monk. Down at my home in the valley below, I heard a very strange noise coming from your monastery. Could you tell me what it is?"

"I'm sorry," replied the head monk, "I can't tell you. You aren't a monk."

Sadly, the big boy got back on his bicycle and rode all the way home, in a very foul and frustrated mood. He really did want to know what was making that noise.

The wind did not blow down off the mountain again until a couple years later. The boy had grown into a strapping youth now and rode around town on his motorcycle.

As luck would have it, he was out riding when the wind blew down off the mountain, the air turned quite cold, and he heard a very strange noise on the wind. It was coming from the monastery! He could not figure out what could possibly be making such a strange noise and he was curious.

So, the strapping youth grabbed a slice of pizza, hopped on his motorcycle and started his ride up to the monastery. It took him 30 minutes, but he finally made it to the top. He pounded on the massive door to the monastery and the head monk opened the door.

"Yo, Mr. Monk, dude. Down at my home in the valley below, I heard a very strange noise coming from your monastery. Could you tell me what it is?"

"I'm sorry," replied the head monk, "I can't tell you. You aren't a monk."

Sadly, the strapping youth got back on his motorcycle and rode all the way home, in a very foul and frustrated mood. He really did want to know what was making that noise.

The wind did not blow down off the mountain again until a couple years later. The boy was now a young man and often rode around in his new convertible sportscar.

As luck would have it, he was out riding when the wind blew down off the mountain, the air turned quite cold, and he heard a very strange noise on the wind. It was coming from the monastery! He could not figure out what could possibly be making such a strange noise and he was curious.

So, the young man bought a burger at a fast food place, got in his convertible sportscar, and started his ride up to the monastery. It took him 20 minutes, but he finally made it to the top. He pounded on the massive door to the monastery and the head monk opened the door.

"Mr. Monk. Down at my home in the valley below, I heard a very strange noise coming from your monastery. Could you tell me what it is?"

"I'm sorry," replied the head monk, "I can't tell you. You aren't a monk."

Sadly, the young man got back in his convertible sportscar and rode all the way home, in a very foul and frustrated mood. He really did want to know what was making that noise.

That night, he thought and thought about the very strange noise and how he just had to know what caused it. So, he resolved to do something about it the next day.

The next day, he got in his convertible sportscar and raced up the mountain, slammed on his brakes, and skidded to a stop right in front of the massive door to the monastery.

He honked the horn of his convertible sportscar until the head monk finally opened the door.

"Alright, Mr. Monk, I want to know what is making that very strange noise coming from you monastery!"

"I'm sorry," replied the head monk, "I can't tell you. You aren't a monk."

"Well, then can I become a monk?"

"Why certainly! It is quite easy. You must travel the earth and count the number of blades of grass in every field and the number of grains of sand on every beach. When you return with your answer, then you shall be a monk."

So the young man left the monastery and travelled the earth. For years and years he counted the blades of grass and grains of sand, until one day he had finally finished. He made his way slowly back to the monastery and found the head monk.

"Oh, Mr. Monk, I have travelled the earth these past years, counting the blades of grass and grains of sand. I finally know that there are 823,123,126,123,124,223,488 blades of grass in the fields and 975,123,145,163,563,745,333,298 grains of sand on the beaches and I would like to become a monk."

So the man became a monk. At last, he would now be able to find out the source of that very strange noise coming from the monastery.

"Mr. Monk, what is the noise coming from the monastery?" asked the new monk.

The head monk replied, "The source is too complicated to describe in words. I am afraid that you must see it for yourself to truly understand it. This key will show you the answer you seek."

"Take this key to the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery. There you will find a long corridor. At the end of the corridor is a door and through the door is the thing that makes the noise."

Well, of course the new monk went immediately to the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery and there he did indeed find the long corridor. He walked down the corridor until he could see the door at the end.

Unfortunately, there were three magical fires that never go out blocking the man from the door. He decided to jump the fires to reach the door. The man made sure the key was secure in his hand, took a running charge at the first fire and leapt!

Over the first fire he flew, but he dropped the key. The man leapt back over the fire, ran all the way back down the long corridor, out of the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery and back to the head monk.

"Oh, Mr. Monk! I am so sorry! I went to the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery, down the long corridor to the door, but there were magical fires and I dropped the key in the first one as I leapt over it."

"Do not worry, for there is another key and you must overcome tests on your way to enlightenment. The second key, however is far, far away in Canada."

The new monk left the monastery and travelled to Canada. It took many years because he had no money, being a monk and all.

Eventually, he arrived in Canada and managed to track down the key to the door. The monk then had to make the return journey equally as painstakingly, but finally he arrived back at the monastery. Down into the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery he went, until he found the long corridor.

The three magical fires were in front of him as he took a running start.

Over the first fire went the monk, key still in hand!

Over the second fire went the monk, key still- RATS!
He had dropped the key in the second fire. The monk leapt back over the second fire, back over the first fire, back down the long corridor he walked and out of the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery. The monk went back to the head monk.

"Oh, Mr. Monk! I am so sorry! I went to the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery, down the long corridor to the door, but there were magical fires and I dropped the key in the second one as I leapt over it."

"Do not worry, for there is one more key and we must all overcome tests on our way to enlightenment. The third key, however is far, far away in Australia."

The monk left the monastery and travelled to Australia. It took many years because he had no money being a monk and all.

Eventually he arrived in Australia and managed to track down the key to the door. The monk then had to make the return journey equally as painstakingly, but finally he arrived back at the monastery. By this time, he was quite an old monk.

Down into the deepest, darkest corner of the coldest, dampest room in the dirtiest, filthiest cavern under the monastery he went, until he found the long corridor. The three magical fires were in front of him as he took a running start.

Over the first fire went the quite old monk, key still in hand!

Over the second fire went the quite old monk, key still in hand!

Over the THIRD fire went the quite old monk, key still in hand!

He had made it! He'd made the jumps and here he was standing outside the door with the answer to his question. Finally, finally, after so many, many, many years of wanting to know what was making the strange noise, he would know. The answer lay through the door in front of him and he could at last be at peace with himself.

Slowly, the quite old monk slid the key into the lock. Turning the key a slight 'click' was to be heard as the lock moved back allowing the quite old monk to open the door. He pushed the door open and stepped inside.

Shock and amazement came over him as he finally realized the answer to his question!

But I'm sorry, I can't tell you. You aren't a monk.

[Chrisj CMA]

I believe the earth is millions and millions of years old.  However, I believe the configuration of our planet described in Genesis was set in place mere thousands of years ago.  The older evidence (like dinosaurs) still remain to be excavated. 

[Moonshot_1]

Everyone knows Columbus discovered the New World in 1492. That would make the earth 629 years old.

[Valkorado]

For most of us pondering it, the question -- and answer -- will be irrelevant only decades from now.  

[Patrick]

Everyone knows Columbus discovered the New World in 1492. That would make the earth 629 years old.

Ya, but, we now know the history books lied.  There were others here before that. So, maybe we're still being lied to.

[Dave Ritsema]

Someone attempted to drag me into a argument on this topic in the past, and essentially told me that the bible clearly states that the earth is less than 6000 years old. When I tried to bring up things like the age of Dinosaurs, (most science says in excess of 10 million years ago) she became quite agitated and I decided this was not a discussion I wished to participate in. 

My question to her was simple. What makes you so certain that your interpretation of time is the same as God's? A million years could be like a minute when your timeline is eternity. It just pissed her off more and I walked away. Like has been said, a question which cannot be answered by anyone in this life and a point that is immaterial anyway.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Someone attempted to drag me into a argument on this topic in the past, and essentially told me that the bible clearly states that the earth is less than 6000 years old. When I tried to bring up things like the age of Dinosaurs, (most science says in excess of 10 million years ago) she became quite agitated and I decided this was not a discussion I wished to participate in. 

My question to her was simple. What makes you so certain that your interpretation of time is the same as God's? A million years could be like a minute when your timeline is eternity. It just pissed her off more and I walked away. Like has been said, a question which cannot be answered by anyone in this life and a point that is immaterial anyway.

 2 Peter 3:8

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

[98valk]

plenty of scientific evidence of 10k-50k yr old earth.  carbon dating is only good for 10-14k yrs. isotope dating is all over the place.

http://www.creationstudies.org/operationsalt/carbon14.html

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric_Dating_and_The_Age_of_the_Earth.htm

[Patrick]

Maybe accurate dating is a problematic. But, at least at one time dinosaurs roamed North America, the midwest was  a salt water ocean, the northern states had a tropical climate and then were sometime covered with ice. Me thinks that takes more than a few thousand years and I have a hard time believing one entity did it by itself.

[Moonshot_1]

Someone attempted to drag me into a argument on this topic in the past, and essentially told me that the bible clearly states that the earth is less than 6000 years old. When I tried to bring up things like the age of Dinosaurs, (most science says in excess of 10 million years ago) she became quite agitated and I decided this was not a discussion I wished to participate in. 

My question to her was simple. What makes you so certain that your interpretation of time is the same as God's? A million years could be like a minute when your timeline is eternity. It just pissed her off more and I walked away. Like has been said, a question which cannot be answered by anyone in this life and a point that is immaterial anyway.

Immaterial??? It is most certainly material! If a minute is like a million years then I have a long way till retirement. If a million years is like a minute then I need to hurr

[old2soon]

Science can Only have all the answers whenever they know all the questions. Science ain't there yet. RIDE SAFE.

[art]

I have studied astronomy for most of my life. My first time learning anything about the universe was when I opened a Book of Knowledge when I was around 7 years old and could just read a little bit. I'm not a professional astronomer but I do believe in the science of it an they are as sure as they can be about the age of the universe an the Sun and the Earth. I will not argue the age of the Earth with anyone an their religious beliefs. That's what some people believe an that's OK with me. BTW I was brought up as a Catholic and after 74 years I believe what I want.

[Hacked Valk]

Thanks for the laughs

[98valk]

I have studied astronomy for most of my life. My first time learning anything about the universe was when I opened a Book of Knowledge when I was around 7 years old and could just read a little bit. I'm not a professional astronomer but I do believe in the science of it an they are as sure as they can be about the age of the universe an the Sun and the Earth. I will not argue the age of the Earth with anyone an their religious beliefs. That's what some people believe an that's OK with me. BTW I was brought up as a Catholic and after 74 years I believe what I want.

stars are closer than you think

http://deceptiveuniverse.com/Distance-to-the-stars.htm

I have had an ongoing interest in astronomy for over 65 years. During that time, after countless hours of research, I have become convinced that the universe is very much different than the picture astronomers would have us believe.

I consider myself to be an Astronomical Devil’s Advocate!

This web site will explain some of what I believe to be wrong in today’s astronomy and plausible alternate explanations for everything I think is wrong.

This web site is designed to briefly discuss various topics and then provide a link to more detailed information on each. As it could take a long time to wade through all the links provided, I suggest you bookmark this page and come back to it from time to time.  I would also appreciate your passing this website address to others if you find it interesting.

1.     THIS SECTION COULD CHANGE 100 YEARS OF ASTRONOMY!  Celestial objects with a redshift greater than z > .0017 are optical illusions.  This includes Quasars, Galaxies and Supernovae.  The observed redshift is a local function due to deflection of light rays by neutron stars and is not related to distance. The Hubble law is invalid and redshift has nothing to do with distance. See Redshift.

2.     

3.     Einstein stated numerous times that light loses velocity in the presence of a gravitational field.  This has been proven experimentally many times, and is called the Shapiro effect. The importance of this very important effect of gravity on light has largely been ignored by the scientific community.  This section provides an introduction to the effect of gravity on light.  For more information, see The Shapiro Effect.

4.     Studies of high-redshift SN 1a supernovae which seem to show that the universe is expanding, that this expansion is accelerating, and this is caused by “Dark Energy” are disputed. Three Astronomers who studied this effect were awarded the Nobel prize in 2011. The effects observed can be explained in a much simpler ways.  Space may not be expanding or accelerating at all and there may be no dark energy.  For more information, see The Myth of an Accelerating Universe.

5.     The deflection of light by gravity is greater than predicted by Einstein.  A minor correction to Einstein’s equation provides an improved estimate.  For more information, see Deflection Correction.

6.     Current estimates of the distance to stars are seriously flawed, and stars are much nearer than previously thought, with the closest just a few light weeks away.  This is a fascinating section which could change just about everything we thought we knew about stars.  For more information, see Distance to the Stars.

7.     Nearly 50% of the stars observed are doubles. The chance of this being random is very low. We show that double stars, including most binary systems are the result of the deflection of starlight by gravity. For more information, see Double Stars and Gravity.

8.     Many, if not most, of the star images we see in the heavens are not real—they are optical images.  See Stars as Optical Illusions.

9.     Pulsars may not be rotating neutron stars.  They may be really pulsating black holes.  For more information, see Pulsars.

10.  This section addresses the recent CERN experiment which seemed to show that neutrinos travel faster than the speed of light.  I contend that neutrinos travel at the speed of light, and that the measurement of the speed of light is underestimated due to the effect of gravity on light.  For more information, see Neutrinos.

11.  The sun may be a pulsar.  Interesting observations you may not know about the sun. For more information, see The Sun may be a Pulsar!


12.  The cosmic background radiation (CBR) is not proof of a Big Bang. There was no big bang, and the CBR does not have the characteristics that it should have if there was a big bang.  For more information, see Cosmic Background Radiation.

 
13.  I present a speculative new concept about gravity, and how gravitational forces are concentrated in neutrons, including some intriguing observational results that might indicate I am on the right track. See New ideas about gravity.


14.  I use information we have gained to present an intriguing new concept of how the planets of the solar system evolved over time.  This section explains things about the solar system that have plagued astronomers for ages.  For more information see  The Solar System