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Author Topic: analysis for motorcycle braking  (Read 753 times)
rocketray
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« on: August 13, 2017, 09:20:14 AM »

interesting and practical ..maybe life saving guide..."test analysis for intensive braking for  a motorcycle"---and a Valkyrie is 1 of the 2 bikes tested!!
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scooperhsd
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2017, 09:32:55 AM »

Do you have a link to it ?

Most all of us are pretty experianced riders, some of us with literally decades of riding experiance...

39 years street riding for me... some in some pretty harrowing places (like Boston and DC)
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2017, 09:35:35 AM »


https://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/imsc2006/Belmonte-Performance_Evaluations_of_Various_Braking_Systems-Paper.pdf
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2017, 03:29:58 PM »

Do you have a link to it ?

Most all of us are pretty experianced riders, some of us with literally decades of riding experiance...

39 years street riding for me... some in some pretty harrowing places (like Boston and DC)
I have freinds that have years of experience. Most do not practice emergency breaking each spring or even once a season, or ever. 1 is still afraid of the front break. He's been riding sence his teens. He is now in his mid 70s. " going to flip". He has ridden Wings and Valks forever.
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Raider
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2017, 06:48:02 PM »

Good article.  Hopefully it'll help some riders save tehir clutches, too.  Downshifting to "help" decelerate actually cost them time and distance.  Also, the application of the rear brake first helps as it squats the rear suspension and decreases the frontward load.
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Rio Wil
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 07:13:06 PM »

WOW....that's one bad ass Valk!  91 hp at 10,500 rpm and  68.4 ft-lbs torque at 8,500........who knew..

Good article though.
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Bighead
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 07:31:03 PM »

Do you have a link to it ?

Most all of us are pretty experianced riders, some of us with literally decades of riding experiance...

39 years street riding for me... some in some pretty harrowing places (like Boston and DC)
I have freinds that have years of experience. Most do not practice emergency breaking each spring or even once a season, or ever. 1 is still afraid of the front break. He's been riding sence his teens. He is now in his mid 70s. " going to flip". He has ridden Wings and Valks forever.
Your friend has been very lucky not useing the front. Hell I use 75% front on every stop.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2017, 08:41:48 AM »

Good article.  Hopefully it'll help some riders save tehir clutches, too.  Downshifting to "help" decelerate actually cost them time and distance.  Also, the application of the rear brake first helps as it squats the rear suspension and decreases the frontward load.
I agree, downshifting as a braking aid in an emergency won't shorten stopping distances.  When I was an instructor, we taught our students to master their braking first, then on subsequent runs to add in tapping down the shift lever, but leaving the clutch lever pulled in.  This wasn't to help with braking, but rather to put them in a lower gear so they can quickly get moving again if they need to, like in a situation where the rider gets stopped, but the driver behind them wasn't paying attention.

I will say, however, that downshifting while decelerating in normal riding situations is a good habit to get into.  That way you are already in the proper gear to accelerate should you need to.  This doesn't need to cause wear to the clutch disks, if you blip the throttle before engaging the clutch, so that the engine is at the proper speed for the lower gear you have switched into.

I practise my emergency braking every spring, but I can't remember the last time I had to use that skill on the road; it's been years and tens of thousands of kilometres.

**EDIT**
Now I remember.  I was deep in thought, at the end of a long day, and I ran a red light, doing about 60km/h.  I got stopped with about 10-12 feet to spare, but the driver who I was on a path to hit, said, "Your life flashed before my eyes!"
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 04:28:46 PM »

Good article.  Hopefully it'll help some riders save tehir clutches, too.  Downshifting to "help" decelerate actually cost them time and distance.  Also, the application of the rear brake first helps as it squats the rear suspension and decreases the frontward load.
I agree, downshifting as a braking aid in an emergency won't shorten stopping distances.  When I was an instructor, we taught our students to master their braking first, then on subsequent runs to add in tapping down the shift lever, but leaving the clutch lever pulled in.  This wasn't to help with braking, but rather to put them in a lower gear so they can quickly get moving again if they need to, like in a situation where the rider gets stopped, but the driver behind them wasn't paying attention.

I will say, however, that downshifting while decelerating in normal riding situations is a good habit to get into.  That way you are already in the proper gear to accelerate should you need to.  This doesn't need to cause wear to the clutch disks, if you blip the throttle before engaging the clutch, so that the engine is at the proper speed for the lower gear you have switched into.

I practise my emergency braking every spring, but I can't remember the last time I had to use that skill on the road; it's been years and tens of thousands of kilometres.

**EDIT**
Now I remember.  I was deep in thought, at the end of a long day, and I ran a red light, doing about 60km/h.  I got stopped with about 10-12 feet to spare, but the driver who I was on a path to hit, said, "Your life flashed before my eyes!"

Agree with all.  We teach the same thing.  Sorry for not being more clear, I was referring more to emergency stopping.  I also use/teach downshifting while emergency stopping and the throttle blip for the same exact reasons.
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