another US navy colision

[DirtyDan]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship-japan/index.html

{I come from a navy family} are these guys driving by braille ?

dan

[Gryphon Rider]

Your link is to a story about the June collision.

[DirtyDan]

http://www.live5news.com/story/36177013/us-7th-fleet-uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-near-strait-of-malacca

new link thanks

dan

[baldo]

I bet they didn't use their blinkers.

Seriously though, I hope the missing sailors are found safe and in good health.

[Patrick]

I keep wondering how these accidents are possible. They really make us look like we know what we're doing, don't they.  Its no wonder other countries are emboldened.

[Hooter]

Maybe Im wrong but this shouldn't happen with today's technology.   

[old2soon]

Maybe Im wrong but this shouldn't happen with today's technology.   

              No-you're Not wrong. I do Not even recall a close call while on Yorktown. And we did many unreps. unrep-under way replenishment. And that was back in the mid 60s so What? 40s  50s type tech. NOT sure but Maybe too much tech and NOT enough mark 1 mod 1 eyeball? I remember on Yorktown the watch standers had binoculars either on their neck or VERY close at hand. Yes-it do in Fact make the U S Navy look like rank beginners.    Do we have any former Navy types here that stood bridge watch and could further elucidate us? RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe Im wrong but this shouldn't happen with today's technology.   

              No-you're Not wrong. I do Not even recall a close call while on Yorktown. And we did many unreps. unrep-under way replenishment. And that was back in the mid 60s so What? 40s  50s type tech. NOT sure but Maybe too much tech and NOT enough mark 1 mod 1 eyeball? I remember on Yorktown the watch standers had binoculars either on their neck or VERY close at hand. Yes-it do in Fact make the U S Navy look like rank beginners.    Do we have any former Navy types here that stood bridge watch and could further elucidate us? RIDE SAFE.

Stood plenty of bridge watches. It's not as easy as some might think. As I'm sure you know Dennis. I was heartened to see that the last incident wasn't blamed entirely on the enlisted guys at the bottom. In the past it seemed the Officers always escaped fault.

[DirtyDan]

Weather or not it's the captains fault it's his responsibility

[old2soon]

The last two incidents were three too many I M H O. Dark moonless nights hard to see anything on the water unless it was lit up somewhat. A modern tanker shows up on radar like times square on new years eve. And even if the tanker is loaded at night there is a darker dark where the tanker is. And it should at the very least have operational running lights on. BUT I was NOT on the bridge of either ship involved and I'll try to Attempt to quit speculating. I certainly would Not like to be the Captain of that U S Navy ship or the Captain of the tanker at that board of making the determination of those skippers fates. RIDE SAFE.

[Hooter]

No matter how you shake it, it's a sad day!   

[scooperhsd]

Former USN LT - Yes, I have stood both Bridge watch as JOOD (Conning Officer - I was "driving the ship") and as CICWO on destroyer and frigate sized vessels. It is NOT always as "easy" as some movies make it look. The Straits of Malacca are some of the busiest in the world (so I've been told).  Radar is no substitute for the Mk1 Mod0 eyeball. You have to apply good judgement on using both along with other tools (manuevering Board, the DRT machine, NTDS, etc.). I'd wait to hear from the review board before critizing decisions on what happened.

Let's focus on finding the missing sailors first.

[Moonshot_1]

Perhaps the problem is today's technology and the blind dependence on it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Former USN LT - Yes, I have stood both Bridge watch as JOOD (Conning Officer - I was "driving the ship") and as CICWO on destroyer and frigate sized vessels. It is NOT always as "easy" as some movies make it look. The Straits of Malacca are some of the busiest in the world (so I've been told).  Radar is no substitute for the Mk1 Mod0 eyeball. You have to apply good judgement on using both along with other tools (manuevering Board, the DRT machine, NTDS, etc.). I'd wait to hear from the review board before critizing decisions on what happened.

Let's focus on finding the missing sailors first.

I remember the Straits of Malacca. It was the busiest area we were ever in. I would doubt it's the busiest in the world. What I remember most of going thru there, was passing a Soviet sub that had broken down and was being pulled by a tug. Us being young red blooded American boys we all flipped off the Russians standing on deck.  some memories are etched in your head like it was last week.

[Moonshot_1]

Former USN LT - Yes, I have stood both Bridge watch as JOOD (Conning Officer - I was "driving the ship") and as CICWO on destroyer and frigate sized vessels. It is NOT always as "easy" as some movies make it look. The Straits of Malacca are some of the busiest in the world (so I've been told).  Radar is no substitute for the Mk1 Mod0 eyeball. You have to apply good judgement on using both along with other tools (manuevering Board, the DRT machine, NTDS, etc.). I'd wait to hear from the review board before critizing decisions on what happened.

Let's focus on finding the missing sailors first.

I remember the Straits of Malacca. It was the busiest area we were ever in. I would doubt it's the busiest in the world. What I remember most of going thru there, was passing a Soviet sub that had broken down and was being pulled by a tug. Us being young red blooded American boys we all flipped off the Russians standing on deck.  some memories are etched in your head like it was last week.

Now we know why they are messing with our elections! IT WAS YOU GUYS!

[Ramie]

I've been hearing rumors of others hacking ship controls, wouldn't surprise me in todays world.

[Alpha Dog]

I've been hearing rumors of others hacking ship controls, wouldn't surprise me in todays world.

That may fall in line with what I heard yesterday and that was the tanker made a 90 degree turn into the McCain.  This is the fourth incident this year, something is going on.

[RP#62]

I've been hearing rumors of others hacking ship controls, wouldn't surprise me in todays world.

Same here.  I was just reading an article speculating that it may have been the result of a GPS spoofing by a hostile state.

-RP

[Serk]

More speculation:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20050/navy-being-hacked-aaron-bandler

[old2soon]

IF the U S Navy is in FACT being hacked "they" could take out of an early fight some of the fleets protection. Judging by the pictures I've seen That ship won't be ready to enter Any fray by next week. Kinda makes ya wonder a might-don't it?  Severe damage to U S Navy Men of War WITHOUT firing a shot!  RIDE SAFE.

[scooperhsd]

I've been hearing rumors of others hacking ship controls, wouldn't surprise me in todays world.

That may fall in line with what I heard yesterday and that was the tanker made a 90 degree turn into the McCain.  This is the fourth incident this year, something is going on.

Merchant vessels in general can't manuever with a destroyer. A gas turbine ship (which all our current cruisers / destroyers are) can do 25 Knots on half the engine plant - and they can stop in a ship's length from max speed (I've done this myself) (shakes like h***, but it DOES work). If that tanker made a 90 degree turn into the Mccain to hit on the aft port quarter - that almost speaks of criminal negligence on the tanker's part. I would not be too surprised if the order for max speed had been given on the McCain if this is the case - they just ran out of time to get out of the way.

It takes a long time for a loaded supertanker to make any adjustments in course and speed. This would point to the Mccain not paying enough attention to the tanker.

[art]

Sounds like McHales navy.

[old2soon]

7th Fleet Commander Vice Admiral-3 stars-Joseph Aucoin has been relieved. And I believe the 7th Fleet has been ordered to stand down and retrain. Could this be playing into some ones hands in the Region and Operational area of the 7th Fleet? Call me skeptical BUT it appears-on the surface anywho-just a little Too pat of a hand. The TIMING of all this crappola seems to me to be filling someones inside straight. I KNOW I KNOW-I are speculatin. RIDE SAFE.