Something to consider or not

[robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYq7KnXgDHY

[Sorcerer]

If one is only concerned about on coming traffic and left turners it works. How ever in there reverse riding position now the following bike is invisible to vehicals on the ride side roads and drive ways. The vehical that pulls out from the right only has to encroach a little bit to get you. Typically think about what you do when entertaining a road way. Your looking left/ right numerous time scanning traffic. Because of the angle from your right side road, in the reverse riding position, the second rider becomes invisible until the last moment. Vehicals on your left should have a better sight picture of both bikes in both types of riding positions.

[..]

That's why in city traffic you don't want to be close to the vehicle in front of you. Oncoming drivers can't see you through the vehicle in front of you.

Will assume nothing is behind the vehicle and turn LEFT INTO YOU.

[..]

Didn't watch all the video.

It assumed that an oncoming vehicle wouldn't slow down to make their left turn.

[Jess from VA]

When I lead, I almost always ride on the inside, not outside of the lane.  It gives the guy behind me better visibility, and oncoming traffic can see there are multiple bikes coming.

Most of these rides are only a couple or few bikes.  If I lead, I tell them I will be changing sides of the lane I am in, for various reasons (mainly so I can best see ahead).  Leave enough room between us for a variable stagger.  If there is enough room, everyone can be on the same side of the lane, or changing back and forth based on variables in the road.  All experienced riders.  No confusion.

Go ahead and point out various things in the road that could cause trouble.  However, DO NOT point to every leaf and three pieces of gravel and the shadow of a stop sign you see.  It's the boy who cried wolf scenario;  if you are pointing to everything, people soon will ignore your signals entirely. 

[Willow]

It's a manipulated argument.

Part of the problem is with the second bike riding so far behind the first.  That interferes with his vision and partially creates the issue with the visibility of the oncoming traffic.  If one is going to ride that far behind what is the point of a stagger anyway?  As he is videoing he also places himself in the portion of the lane that will most emphasize his lack of visibility.

Of course the alleged visibility gained for oncoming traffic is reversed for a car pulling out from the right.

When I ride staggered I expect the bike behind and to my right to ride just in my mirror, essentially in my right pocket.  The point of the stagger is if something happens to cause the lead bike to go down the trailing bike will go past unscathed.  If you follow at a distance that possibility is reduced.  As to the speculation of a left turner getting that second bike, if he's following as closely as he should the left turner would have to try extra hard to turn right across the rear fender of the lead bike to get the second.

Even if his point is correct, what about the third bike?  The fifth?  The seventh?  Won't they have the same issue he's fighting as the lead will be to his left?   

[Rams]

Even if his point is correct, what about the third bike?  The fifth?  The seventh?  Won't they have the same issue he's fighting as the lead will be to his left?    

Precisely what I was thinking while watching the video.

Personally, I will always choose to ride on the left side of the lane, closest to the opposing traffic.   I like having somewhere to go if, they cross over the center line.   If I ride in the center of the lane, I tend to experience more debris, more slick spots and have even less escape room should I need it.  Riding far right is something I prefer to not do unless I'm riding staggered with another person leading and then, I fall in line where ever is befitting my position in the group.   What I really don't appreciate is riding in a group with someone that can't decide where they are going to ride.   That frustrates me to a certain extent.   I don't care where but, pick a spot and stick to it.    We all understand that there may be a reason to move over at some point but, when falling into a group, figure it out and stick to it.
 
It's not unusual on Kentucky two lane roads to have opposing drivers cut the curves and corners short and cross over.   IMHO, awareness is all on me.    Failure on my part to not expect the opposing driver screw the pooch will result in me not having a good day.   Same thing applies to approaching intersections.    I have to look out for them cause they are generally not looking out for me.

[Chrisj CMA]

They made that whole video for the occasion that only two riders are together and in staggerd formation. I don't know about anyone else but I like a we'll disciplined stagger formation for three or more riders.  When it's just me and one other we usually ride staggerd in traffic to minimize being separated at lights, but a tad looser on a country road enjoying the full lane and freedom to be wherever it feels or seems best.  All I ever ask the other Rider is to never interfere with my ability to move left or right and use the entire lane at any time.  I don't want to have to clear the open side every time I want to move over.  I Do look ( check ) where #2 is I just don't want to have to signal and have #2 need to get out of the way each time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not sure if it's safer. But I'm not sure I want to take riding advice from anyone that has a bike that sounds like an old Briggs & Stratton.

[Chrisj CMA]

I'm not sure if it's safer. But I'm nit sure I want to take riding advice from anyone that has a bike that sounds like an old Briggs & Stratton.

Lol, I noticed that too