Suppressers, Why?

[solo1]

This has nothing to do with Hilary's dumbarse remark but I'm curious.

I'm also neutral.  Why all the talk about them. Why do we need them? 

My hearing is already bad since I fired M1's in basic training with no ear protection.

If I hunted today, i would wear my Dillon electronic muffs.  They let me hear without my hearing aids and cutoff loud sounds. Disadvantage is sweaty ears and interference with rifle stock. Pistol shooting, no problem.  Still cheaper than suppressors.

I have another pair of electronic muffs hanging on the bedpost for home invasion and a loud .40   Granted, I live alone.

Granted, suppressors work. On our range, a person was using one on a .308, sounded about like a .22 short. But what about the supersonic crack of the bullet, can't be suppressed.

In the long run, most have more money that I have. Each suppressor is big bucks plus the Fed tax (at this time). Multiply that times how many guns that you have and it's a sizable amount.  Hanging a can off the muzzle of a Scout rifle defeats the purpose of a compact weapon .  Hanging a can on any firearm adds bulk. What about accuracy, is it affected.?

I've gotten along without them for over 70 years in the shooting sports.  Yeah, my hearing is gone but see why above.

Don't get all bent out of shape, jes askin'  Make the case.

[Jess from VA]

Shooting without big noise would always be a big plus.  But they are expensive, and put you on a federal list (for now).  I personally would not be seeking to suppress all my firearms (and threaded bbls are not standard, though there are more than ever today).  I would like to suppress an accurate .22 rifle, and a concealable .22 pistol (or maybe my .32 Walther).  Both special purpose firearms.

Hillary's full of bull hockey, as usual.  The folks falling at the concert would have been noticed just as soon, and the smoke alarm in the cockroach's room would have gone off just as soon.

[hubcapsc]

After an hour or so I wish my neighbor through the woods had
a suppressor sometimes 

-Mike "does that make me a terrorist?"

[Serk]

Safety.

I can teach my kids shooting safety without bulky hearing protection getting in the way, with them being able to clearly and quickly hear my instructions. Also without hearing protection getting in their way and making it more difficult for them to properly hold their firearms.

Comfort.

I can sit at my land plinking away with a buddy while chatting with them, without having to worry about earmuffs or other hearing protection.

Recoil.

A suppressor removes ~30% of the recoil from a rifle. It makes my 12 gauge shotgun feel like a soft hitting rifle, it makes my 7mm Remington Magnum feel like a 7.62x39, it makes my .308 feel even softer.

Being a good neighbor.

They let me shoot all day without pissing off the people that live near my land/private shooting range. Cuts down noise pollution to a much lower amount. Shooting suppressed is just the neighborly thing to do.

Accuracy isn't impacted by a quality suppressor. Point of impact can be changed when putting a suppressor on or off a weapon, but shot to shot with the suppressor on accuracy isn't impacted.

If I were a hunter, I'd want them for hunting all the more, being able to hear everything clearly while out in the woods stalking game without risking harming my hearing when I take the shot. Even with good electronic muffs ya' really can't pick up the rustle of leaves or the sounds of a critter in the distance.

And one final point, it's not about needs. It's not the Bill of Needs. It's the Bill of Rights. There's no requirement to show a need to be able to exercise a right.

Come down to Texas, I'll take ya' out to my land and let you try playing with my cans (That sounded wrong ) and let you see first hand why those of us who love suppressors love 'em so much. I really don't like shooting unsuppressed anymore for all the reasons above and I'm sure others I've forgotten to list.

Addendum: Even with a can on it, a Scout Rifle is still pretty handy. It adds a little length, but for 30% recoil reduction, not having to worry about hearing protection, etc, that's a trade off I'm happy to make.

[Robert]

A great video that actually goes through silencer no silencer, regular bullet and subsonic and the combinations and allows you to hear the difference.


Supersonic and subsonic ammo through a suppressor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icrm9m9bRpY

[Leathel]

No restriction on suppressors over here

 Have one on the kids rifle and one on my goat culling rifle

 I don't like wearing muffs full time when culling as you are on and off the bike, shooting in all sorts of angles and they end up being a pain, but still wear them at times as its so quite with them on...less recoil is a bonus making it easy to spot your shots for those 4-500 meters shots

Range work I just use muffs, the big gun has a break..... its far more efficient on recoil reduction....muffs and ear plugs are handy for that

Suppressors are great....just bulky to cart around.

[Gavin_Sons]

No restriction on suppressors over here

 Have one on the kids rifle and one on my goat culling rifle

 I don't like wearing muffs full time when culling as you are on and off the bike, shooting in all sorts of angles and they end up being a pain, but still wear them at times as its so quite with them on...less recoil is a bonus making it easy to spot your shots for those 4-500 meters shots

Range work I just use muffs, the big gun has a break..... its far more efficient on recoil reduction....muffs and ear plugs are handy for that

Suppressors are great....just bulky to cart around.

Alright, i watched some videos on goat culling. Now i want to come to New Zealand and kill some goats.  That looks like a blast.

[solo1]

Good points, all. I now have a better understanding.

However, I have found that electronic muffs allow all of the sounds that I need to hear. At the range, all of us wear them and they work fine.  I admit that they don't work well with rifle stocks.

I have no private range. I use my club's range. 25, 50, 100, 200, and 300 yard range for all types of shooting, mainly hi power AR's, Springfields, M1A, and M1's .  In a match unless all have suppressors, it wouldn't work.  However, I don't shoot Hi power so  the pistol with muffs works just great.  Our range is in the middle of Amish country , no complaints so far, and no chance of new housing with newcomers bitching.....Yet.

Recoil. That would certainly help but i have no problem with recoil in a hunting situation. Hunting muleys in the eastern hills of Wyoming, it was enough to carry my Ruger 77 7MM mag up and down those hills, without the added bulk of a suppressor.

I would definitely see a need for one in the home defense situation as the blast of a .40 or .357 in an enclosed area would be bad. However, living by myself, I have another pair of muffs hanging on the bed.

BTW, that is one nice scout rifle, meets all the necessary criteria that the author of the 'scout' rifle spelled out.  My Savage 10P .308, 16inch barrel has conventional scope mounting but the barrel muzzle is threaded......Hmmm.

[Leathel]

No restriction on suppressors over here

 Have one on the kids rifle and one on my goat culling rifle

 I don't like wearing muffs full time when culling as you are on and off the bike, shooting in all sorts of angles and they end up being a pain, but still wear them at times as its so quite with them on...less recoil is a bonus making it easy to spot your shots for those 4-500 meters shots

Range work I just use muffs, the big gun has a break..... its far more efficient on recoil reduction....muffs and ear plugs are handy for that

Suppressors are great....just bulky to cart around.

Alright, i watched some videos on goat culling. Now i want to come to New Zealand and kill some goats.  That looks like a blast.

Not so easy ATM, goat prices are high so they farmers try to round them up and sell (not easy but $$ is worth a try) still get the odd shoot in after they have done a round up but not the big culls now, I was going to post a video of the old shoots but I lost everything in a har drive meltdown, went to the backup drive and the hunting video folder is empty on that drive..... I don't think I have them anywhere else  :'(

A pick of my quad....old but does the trick, 243AI is the main cull rifle, 300RUM for past 550, 243AI is bang flop up to that then the RUM has better results after that but its loud so doesn't get much use, end of day as it scares to many away, and the 223 for the kids

[Rams]

No restriction on suppressors over here

 Have one on the kids rifle and one on my goat culling rifle

 I don't like wearing muffs full time when culling as you are on and off the bike, shooting in all sorts of angles and they end up being a pain, but still wear them at times as its so quite with them on...less recoil is a bonus making it easy to spot your shots for those 4-500 meters shots

Range work I just use muffs, the big gun has a break..... its far more efficient on recoil reduction....muffs and ear plugs are handy for that

Suppressors are great....just bulky to cart around.

Alright, i watched some videos on goat culling. Now i want to come to New Zealand and kill some goats.  That looks like a blast.

Hey!!   Leave the old goats alone.   Some body has to speak up for guys like me.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

No restriction on suppressors over here

 Have one on the kids rifle and one on my goat culling rifle

 I don't like wearing muffs full time when culling as you are on and off the bike, shooting in all sorts of angles and they end up being a pain, but still wear them at times as its so quite with them on...less recoil is a bonus making it easy to spot your shots for those 4-500 meters shots

Range work I just use muffs, the big gun has a break..... its far more efficient on recoil reduction....muffs and ear plugs are handy for that

Suppressors are great....just bulky to cart around.

Alright, i watched some videos on goat culling. Now i want to come to New Zealand and kill some goats.  That looks like a blast.

Not so easy ATM, goat prices are high so they farmers try to round them up and sell (not easy but $$ is worth a try) still get the odd shoot in after they have done a round up but not the big culls now, I was going to post a video of the old shoots but I lost everything in a har drive meltdown, went to the backup drive and the hunting video folder is empty on that drive..... I don't think I have them anywhere else  :'(

A pick of my quad....old but does the trick, 243AI is the main cull rifle, 300RUM for past 550, 243AI is bang flop up to that then the RUM has better results after that but its loud so doesn't get much use, end of day as it scares to many away, and the 223 for the kids

Looks like a 300 Fourtrax ? Had a gray one that I hunted with in Alaska for years. Great machines 

[Rams]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

[Serk]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

I thought it was Diane Feinstein proposing legislation against them ?

[Rams]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

I don't even own a semi-auto weapon but, that's a good reason to get a bump stock.   

[Serk]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

I thought it was Diane Feinstein proposing legislation against them ?

Separate heads of the same demon.

For those who are okay with banning Slide Fire stocks, keep in mind this is just a loose stock. You can literally accomplish the same thing with a piece of wood with a wooden dowel sticking out of it.

In the words of Winston Churchill - An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

They will not be happy until they've eaten all of us.

[f6gal]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

It's been my long time policy to immediately purchase any firearm proposed to be banned.  You would think that was a solid financial plan, since they go up in value rather quickly.  The fatal flaw in the financial plan aspect is that I've never sold a firearm.  

Edit:  That should read any proposed firearm or firearm accessory.

[Leathel]

Looks like a 300 Fourtrax ? Had a gray one that I hunted with in Alaska for years. Great machines 

yup great reliable basic bike, Light enough to drag around if required, can really climb....not enough grunt for the real steep stuff 2 up but pillion just sit side saddle to jump off easy in the real dodgy stuff

[Serk]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

It's been my long time policy to immediately purchase any firearm proposed to be banned.  You would think that was a solid financial plan, since they go up in value rather quickly.  The fatal flaw in the financial plan aspect is that I've never sold a firearm.   

Bwahahahaha! Same thing for me! The spousal unit says I can't claim it as a retirement asset if I'm not willing to liquidate it when the prices are high...

[f6gal]

I don't really have any issues with legal suppressors.

But, I don't understand why anyone would want a bump stock equipped semi-auto weapon.   Having fired one, I see them as a good way to waste ammunition.   Little if any accuracy, just pumping lead down range.

I didn't either until I found out they make Nancy Pelosi cry, so now I own several of them.

(Actually, I predicted Nancy'd be coming out trying to ban 'em and ordered 'em Monday night)

It's been my long time policy to immediately purchase any firearm proposed to be banned.  You would think that was a solid financial plan, since they go up in value rather quickly.  The fatal flaw in the financial plan aspect is that I've never sold a firearm.  

Bwahahahaha! Same thing for me! The spousal unit says I can't claim it as a retirement asset if I'm not willing to liquidate it when the prices are high...

Fortunately for you, jumps from an airplane can't be claimed as a retirement asset either.  

[Serk]

Fortunately for you, jumps from an airplane can't be claimed as a retirement asset either.  

Yeah, since she's got her license now, up to 34 jumps (I think), had her first real injury (The doc was impressed she was able to burst that many blood vessels in her legs and NOT break any bones), and starting to buy her own gear now, she's complaining about gun acquisitions FAR less vociferously...

[Serk]

Heh, on the original topic spurred by Hillary, even the hard left Politifact is calling her out on her BS:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/04/hillary-clinton/no-gun-silencers-wouldnt-have-worsened-las-vegas-s/

[The emperor has no clothes]

Heh, on the original topic spurred by Hillary, even the hard left Politifact is calling her out on her BS:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/04/hillary-clinton/no-gun-silencers-wouldnt-have-worsened-las-vegas-s/

That sounds plausible. But, it was my understanding there was an ex military guy directly below his room who called hotel security and pinpointed his room. I've never used one, so I don't know. Would it have lengthened the amount of time to find him ?

[Jess from VA]

If he was taking his time, aiming, and squeezing off single shots sporadically (esp if he kept the muzzle inside the room), it might have made it harder to find him.  But running through whole mags one after the other, I don't think so.

I read a story on the guy below him.  Nowhere in that story did it say he ever called security.  I was kind of pissed off about that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If he was taking his time, aiming, and squeezing off single shots sporadically (esp if he kept the muzzle inside the room), it might have made it harder to find him.  But running through whole mags one after the other, I don't think so.

I read a story on the guy below him.  Nowhere in that story did it say he ever called security.  I was kind of pissed off about that.

I've been reading and watching so many of these stories, I might be getting them mixed up. I'm thinking in one of the Sheriffs press conferences he said the there was an ex military below him who reported it to hotel security.

[Jess from VA]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

You'd think if he called, they'd say so.

It might have been quiet with solid concrete floors/walls.. but who can't figure auto weapons fire?

If I had not called security, I'd be too embarrassed to give an interview (or my name).

[X Ring]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

You'd think if he called, they'd say so.

It might have been quiet with solid concrete floors/walls.. but who can't figure auto weapons fire?

If I had not called security, I'd be too embarrassed to give an interview (or my name).
[/]

In the interview I saw with him, he said he tried to call the front desk numerous times but couldn't get an answer. 

Marty

[The emperor has no clothes]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

You'd think if he called, they'd say so.

It might have been quiet with solid concrete floors/walls.. but who can't figure auto weapons fire?

If I had not called security, I'd be too embarrassed to give an interview (or my name).

Yeah, I hadn't seen that guys story. I think I'm getting the stories mixed up. After looking a little the only thing I could find was one of the cops radioing in they were right below him.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Stumbled back on it. My web browsing must be consistent .

http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooter-how-many-rounds-shots-bullets-hotel-mandalay-bay-2017-10

On another note. Has anybody heard how many rounds he expended in total ? Only thing I can find is over 200 in the hallway.