JFK Files to be opened.

[Rams]

WASHINGTON (WFLA) — President Donald Trump says he will allow the release of classified documents on President John F. Kennedy’s assassination.
President Trump made the announcement on Twitter Saturday morning, saying “Subject to the receipt of further information, I will be allowing, as President, the long blocked and classified JFK FILES to be opened.”

http://wfla.com/2017/10/21/trump-to-allow-release-of-jfk-assassination-files/

Hopefully, it won't be all blotted out, deleted/expunged/redacted and have some meat to it.   
Supposed to happen Thursday, subject to receipt of further information.   I'm betting the FBI and CIA are begging President Trump to not release those files unless completely bleached of any real information.   Just my opinion, I hope I'm wrong.

[Rams]

Oops, double click post, sorry bout that

[Rams]

What could and what I suspect probably will happen:


(C) The periodic review of postponed assassination records shall serve to
downgrade and declassify security classified information.
(D) Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full,
and available in the Collection no later than the date that is 25 years
after the date of enactment of this Act, unless the President certifies,
as required by this Act, that--
(i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to
the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct
of foreign relations; and
(ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public
interest in disclosure.
(h) FEES FOR COPYING- Executive branch agencies shall--
(1) charge fees for copying assassination records; and
(2) grant waivers of such fees pursuant to the standards established by
section 552(a)(4) of title 5, United States Code.
SEC. 6. GROUNDS FOR POSTPONEMENT OF PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF RECORDS.
Disclosure of assassination records or particular information in
assassination records to the public may be postponed subject to the
limitations of this Act if there is clear and convincing evidence that--
(1) the threat to the military defense, intelligence operations, or conduct
of foreign relations of the United States posed by the public disclosure of
the assassination is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest,
and such public disclosure would reveal--
(A) an intelligence agent whose identity currently requires protection;
(B) an intelligence source or method which is currently utilized, or
reasonably expected to be utilized, by the United States Government and
which has not been officially disclosed, the disclosure of which would
interfere with the conduct of intelligence activities; or
(C) any other matter currently relating to the military defense,
intelligence operations or conduct of foreign relations of the United
States, the disclosure of which would demonstrably impair the national
security of the United States;
(2) the public disclosure of the assassination record would reveal the name
or identity of a living person who provided confidential information to
the United States and would pose a substantial risk of harm to that person;
(3) the public disclosure of the assassination record could reasonably be
expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, and that
invasion of privacy is so substantial that it outweighs the public interest;
(4) the public disclosure of the assassination record would compromise
the existence of an understanding of confidentiality currently requiring
protection between a Government agent and a cooperating individual or
a foreign government, and public disclosure would be so harmful that it
outweighs the public interest; or
(5) the public disclosure of the assassination record would reveal a security
or protective procedure currently utilized, or reasonably expected to be
utilized, by the Secret Service or another Government agency responsible
for protecting Government officials, and public disclosure would be so
harmful that it outweighs the public interest.


https://www.congress.gov/bi...enate-bill/3006/text

We won't get squat on this.   I really do hope I'm wrong.

[Patrick]

It should be interesting to see what it has to say.  I wonder how close it will follow anything in the Warren commission report.
I think it should have been turned loose long ago. Already I hear folks complaining about Mr Trump releasing it.

[G-Man]

Already I hear folks complaining about Mr Trump releasing it.

I hear that's because it proves Obama isn't a citizen.   

[Tx Bohemian]

We won't get squat on this.   I really do hope I'm wrong.

Unfortunately your probably right!


Although I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" by any means I have read many articles and watched many shows about this. I was 7 when it happened and remember the announcement over the PA system in school.
Even did the "Book depository" self tour in Dallas and looked over the "Grassy knoll" and all that good stuff.
And as Patrick says wonder how close to the "Magic bullet" this report will be?

One thing I don't understand is supposedly Kennedy was shot from behind only, but watching the Magruder (sp) film the way his head slams back from one shot and the splatter travels back on the trunk of the car gets me to wonder!!  Of course I am no expert (wink, wink) like those that examined this.

And since it was mentioned this will be released there was a long, grey haired guy (obviously I can't think of his name) on the news shows saying that this will, more than anything, embarrass the FBI and CIA because they couldn't protect the pres.

One thing he did mention, that again gets me to wonder, was that the doctors who examined Kennedy in Dallas said he was shot from two different directions but the doctors in DC said the shots came from one direction!
Who to believe? The Doctors that saw him within minutes of being shot, or hours later? After multiple people had access to the body!
Are we to believe the doctors in DC better than the ones in Dallas. Or just on a better payroll?

Also one show I saw years ago said the ss guys were cleaning the car from all the blood right away at the hospital.  I know things are way different now than in '63 but that is unheard of now messing with a crime scene.
But gets me to wondering why they were so intend on cleaning things up right away!

[Patrick]

Already I hear folks complaining about Mr Trump releasing it.

I hear that's because it proves Obama isn't a citizen.   

So that will end up being proven on more than one occasion.   

I have my thoughts on who made the final shot and it'll be interesting on what the report has to say.

[old2soon]

Would actually like to see the bill for the indelible magic markers!  I'll be surprised if what is released is NOT heavily redacted. Maybe the mushroom theory. RIDE SAFE.

[Oss]

so was it the
a     Russians?
b     Mob (jfk screwing someones babe)
c     Castro (revenge for bay of pigs)
d     The forces behind the Fed (jfk wanted a return to prior system)
e     Johnson
f      CIA
g     lone gunman who miraculously made all those shots (yeah right)

Dont expect any answers, just more questions

RIP John Fitzgerald Kennedy (and Marilyn Monroe)

[bagelboy]

I have to go with the mob! They helped  JFK get  the presidency, Sinatra and friends also helped,  JFK then detached himself from them, and then RFK went after them(I think, more then anything, RFK going after the mob was the reason). Just my very humble opinion!

[Rams]

I have to go with the mob! They helped  JFK get  the presidency, Sinatra and friends also helped,  JFK then detached himself from them, and then RFK went after them(I think, more then anything, RFK going after the mob was the reason). Just my very humble opinion!

And then there's that thing about Scorn of a Woman.......................   

It's one of those dates of history that anyone who was alive and of age will always remember where they were when they heard the news....    Shock over took us.   The next emotion will be anger, the shock has settled.   We'll have to see what we learn.

[Patrick]

I have to go with the mob! They helped  JFK get  the presidency, Sinatra and friends also helped,  JFK then detached himself from them, and then RFK went after them(I think, more then anything, RFK going after the mob was the reason). Just my very humble opinion!

OK, and the mob has a history of working with our government.  There were those in government that hated JFK. So, who pulled the trigger ? What kind of weapon was that trigger on ?  And, from where was the shot fired ?  

I have my thoughts, i guess everyone else does too.

[G-Man]

I have to go with the mob! They helped  JFK get  the presidency, Sinatra and friends also helped,  JFK then detached himself from them, and then RFK went after them(I think, more then anything, RFK going after the mob was the reason). Just my very humble opinion!

With as much as I know, and that is very little on this topic, I always leaned towards the mob.  Why else would Ruby, a mob hangaround, so openly and blatantly take out Oswald?

[¿spoom]

Can't imagine we'll learn anything, except by accident. They've already said the autopsy will be excluded. There's been 25 years to scrub where needed, just can't believe there's anything left in it. I read the Warren Committee report cover to cover about 20 years ago, much that was hard to explain was simply omitted. I'd be happy to find out what happened to a certain section of curb, cut out of a certain plaza in Dallas.  

[Rams]

Hmm...........
Well according to the evening news, the archives are to be released but, the different intelligent agencies are scrambling to get certain things blotched out or redacted prior to that happening.

This assignation occurred Nov. 22nd, 1963, what could possibly be still so sensitive that it must be redacted from the report(s)?


Supposedly, when released, the information can be seen here:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=jfk+assassination&form=EDGTCT&qs=FT&cvid=09c34a14505a4247b9058ff9202d014d&cc=US&setlang=en-US

[Alpha Dog]

It will be a big day for me because my long held theory of another shooter on the grassy knoll will be exposed.  Funny thing is Trump got closer a year and half ago then anyone could ever imagine.  Yes the other shooter will be Ted Cruz's Dad.  I hold no blame on you Ted, have always liked you and if I lived in Texas would vote for you in 2018

[scooperhsd]

Hmm...........
Well according to the evening news, the archives are to be released but, the different intelligent agencies are scrambling to get certain things blotched out or redacted prior to that happening.

This assignation occurred Nov. 22nd, 1963, what could possibly be still so sensitive that it must be redacted from the report(s)?


Supposedly, when released, the information can be seen here:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=jfk+assassination&form=EDGTCT&qs=FT&cvid=09c34a14505a4247b9058ff9202d014d&cc=US&setlang=en-US

I agree here - WHAT THE HELL COULD BE SO SENSiTIVE THAT IT CAN"T BE RELEASED AFTER 50 Years !?!?!?!?!?!
I Think EVERYTHING should be released immediately, with no redaction. They've had plenty of time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It will be a big day for me because my long held theory of another shooter on the grassy knoll will be exposed.  Funny thing is Trump got closer a year and half ago then anyone could ever imagine.  Yes the other shooter will be Ted Cruz's Dad.  I hold no blame on you Ted, have always liked you and if I lived in Texas would vote for you in 2018

I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. You really think Ted Cruz's father shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll ?

[Patrick]

President Bush signed the release of these documents for this date/today 25 years ago.

2891 documents have been released today, but, the FBI and CIA have convinced our President to hold 2000+ documents for another 180 days.  I have to wonder what they are worried about. I happen to think they have quite a bit to worry about, but, they'll probably just say they don't want names of informants released or some other lame excuse. I guess time will tell, more time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

President Bush signed the release of these documents for this date/today 25 years ago.

2891 documents have been released today, but, the FBI and CIA have convinced our President to hold 2000+ documents for another 180 days.  I have to wonder what they are worried about. I happen to think they have quite a bit to worry about, but, they'll probably just say they don't want names of informants released or some other lame excuse. I guess time will tell, more time.

It was reported that some of the informants of Oswalds time in Mexico City are still alive and don't want their names in public. It was also said that some countries who cooperated with the investigation did it with the understanding it would be kept secret. Bobbie and Ted Kennedy had access to these reports and said they believe the Warren Commission. I see no reason they would want to cover up their brothers assassination.

[¿spoom]

President Bush signed the release of these documents for this date/today 25 years ago.

2891 documents have been released today, but, the FBI and CIA have convinced our President to hold 2000+ documents for another 180 days.  I have to wonder what they are worried about. I happen to think they have quite a bit to worry about, but, they'll probably just say they don't want names of informants released or some other lame excuse. I guess time will tell, more time.

Bush Sr. was on the Warren Commission, I guess if we say please, maybe he'll just tell us 

[Alpha Dog]

It will be a big day for me because my long held theory of another shooter on the grassy knoll will be exposed.  Funny thing is Trump got closer a year and half ago then anyone could ever imagine.  Yes the other shooter will be Ted Cruz's Dad.  I hold no blame on you Ted, have always liked you and if I lived in Texas would vote for you in 2018

I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. You really think Ted Cruz's father shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll ?

Someone(s) did, it was not the Father of Cruz.  Just a sarcastic sob I am.  I have spent too many hours many years ago going over documentaries, books, articles, Stone's movie, etc to think Oswald acted alone.  Witnesses say they heard shots  and bullets wizzed past them from the knoll area and they are not taken seriously.  How is it that a man such as Oswald with such a checkered and really  bizarre past, that was in the company of many shady characters,  ends up in the Dallas Schoolbook Depository only a few weeks before Kennedy comes down towards that building and makes a left turn.  I  learned from Art Bell back in the 90's there is no such thing as a coincidence. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

It will be a big day for me because my long held theory of another shooter on the grassy knoll will be exposed.  Funny thing is Trump got closer a year and half ago then anyone could ever imagine.  Yes the other shooter will be Ted Cruz's Dad.  I hold no blame on you Ted, have always liked you and if I lived in Texas would vote for you in 2018

I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. You really think Ted Cruz's father shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll ?

Someone(s) did, it was not the Father of Cruz.  Just a sarcastic sob I am.  I have spent too many hours many years ago going over documentaries, books, articles, Stone's movie, etc to think Oswald acted alone.  Witnesses say they heard shots  and bullets wizzed past them from the knoll area and they are not taken seriously.  How is it that a man such as Oswald with such a checkered and really  bizarre past, that was in the company of many shady characters,  ends up in the Dallas Schoolbook Depository only a few weeks before Kennedy comes down towards that building and makes a left turn.  I  learned from Art Bell back in the 90's there is no such thing as a coincidence.  

I'm no fan of Ted Cruz, but I'm glad to hear you don't think his dad did the deed. A couple things about Oswald. I think he had been working there for about 6 months. It was also not divulged the route of Kennedys motorcade until the day before. No doubt Oswald was scummy. But it seems to me it was just a crime of opportunity that it happened.

[rocketray]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

[Patrick]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

James Files using a Remington Fireball.

[Gavin_Sons]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

I think you meas a 222 cartridge. And that is not a rare round. Pretty common for varmits around here. Anyone who thinks he was not shot twice is crazy. To me it looks like he was first shot from behind through his back because he kinda slumps over. Then the next shot looks to be really close almost point blank in the head from the front. I think the guy sitting in front of him was the second shooter.

[The emperor has no clothes]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

I think you meas a 222 cartridge. And that is not a rare round. Pretty common for varmits around here. Anyone who thinks he was not shot twice is crazy. To me it looks like he was first shot from behind through his back because he kinda slumps over. Then the next shot looks to be really close almost point blank in the head from the front. I think the guy sitting in front of him was the second shooter.

John Connaly ?

[Patrick]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

I think you meas a 222 cartridge. And that is not a rare round. Pretty common for varmits around here. Anyone who thinks he was not shot twice is crazy. To me it looks like he was first shot from behind through his back because he kinda slumps over. Then the next shot looks to be really close almost point blank in the head from the front. I think the guy sitting in front of him was the second shooter.

The Remington Fireball was first made in 1963 and the first few [ maybe 100] were chambered for .222 and since thats a rifle cartridge maybe thats where the name Fireball came from.  Remington then tamed that cartridge and called it .221.
James Files claims to have shot JFK from the knoll with an early .222 Fireball.

[Gavin_Sons]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

I think you meas a 222 cartridge. And that is not a rare round. Pretty common for varmits around here. Anyone who thinks he was not shot twice is crazy. To me it looks like he was first shot from behind through his back because he kinda slumps over. Then the next shot looks to be really close almost point blank in the head from the front. I think the guy sitting in front of him was the second shooter.

The Remington Fireball was first made in 1963 and the first few [ maybe 100] were chambered for .222 and since thats a rifle cartridge maybe thats where the name Fireball came from.  Remington then tamed that cartridge and called it .221.
James Files claims to have shot JFK from the knoll with an early .222 Fireball.

  I did not know that, thanks

[Patrick]

Well, now that I think about it,  Files said he shot JFK with an early  Fireball and I thought he had said it was one of the early .222's.  It has been years since I watched his interview, maybe it was an early .221 that he said he used. Either one would have been an early gun at the time.
I'd have to go back re-watch and do some re-reading to see which it was. At the time I found it interesting because from what I remember the cartridge found and the one he said he used were the same kind.





A little checking showed the 2 cartridges found were .222 that were made between 1960 and 1971 that appear to have dents kinda consistent with what Files says as he says he bites all the cartridges he uses.

[Willow]

James Files was twenty-one years old when JFK was killed.  Does that concern anyone else?

His timeline shows they claim he joined the Army in 1959 (17 years of age) and within 14 months was sent to Laos and killed two of "his" own men.  Seems unlikely for an eighteen year old to me.

[The emperor has no clothes]

James Files was twenty-one years old when JFK was killed.  Does that concern anyone else?

His timeline shows they claim he joined the Army in 1959 (17 years of age) and within 14 months was sent to Laos and killed two of "his" own men.  Seems unlikely for an eighteen year old to me.

Besides, we already know the Texas Governor killed Kennedy . After shooting himself of course.

[Patrick]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

I think you meas a 222 cartridge. And that is not a rare round. Pretty common for varmits around here. Anyone who thinks he was not shot twice is crazy. To me it looks like he was first shot from behind through his back because he kinda slumps over. Then the next shot looks to be really close almost point blank in the head from the front. I think the guy sitting in front of him was the second shooter.

So, which guy do you think was sitting in front of JFK and which one do you think shot him ? 

Governor Connelly or the secret service agent ?

[Gavin_Sons]

The secret service agent. They are trained to put themselves between the threat and the president. But of course they didn't know exactly where the threat was coming from. It's really hard to say and we will never know. Just like 9/11or the Vegas shooting. I have no doubt that 9/11 was a controlled demolition. Buildings dont fall on their own footprint by planes flying into them. Yeah I know, I'm crazy.

[Varmintmist]

It was one guy with a scoped rested rifle.

He had something like 8 seconds AFTER the first shot broke to get two more off at a fairly large unobstructed slow moving target at a slight angle at very short range (175-200 FEET call it 60 yards) that he only hit squarely once. Oswald was not a great shot, however he did qualify as Marksman in the Corps which means he is at least not unfamiliar with getting rounds off downrange. The shots themselves are not spectacularly difficult. I would venture to guess that 70% or more of rifle deer hunters could equal or surpass the time limit and accuracy achieved by Oswald. If he had been competent he wouldnt have missed the first time.

A 6.5 carcano is not known as a target rifle, but it is a competent firearm when loaded with the proper diameter bullets. Last vintage match I was at a guy was shooting a open sight carcano at 200 yards and putting most of the holes in a 6" circle from a prone rested position. A 6.5 bullet has a lot of sectional density, meaning it is over long for as fat as it is. That property will let the bullet carry its weight through a lot of mass and different mediums. Connolly was NOT sitting facing forward on a regular seat. The front seats in the car were dropped so the pres sat higher and Connolly was turned with his shoulder over the back of the seat talking over his shoulder to the pres making the "magic bullet" a straight line shot to hit the parts of both men it did.

Matter was pushed out of the back of the head wound because of hydrostatic shock. It is a normal occurrence that hunters can recognize even on a soft tissue hit like a deer chest cavity where the pressure can expand internally, there will still be a bit come back out the hole. A hit in a head where the pressure has no where to go but the only place that has the least resistance (hole #1) is messy.

He may have been talked into it by someone, but it was one shooter with one rifle.

My best guess is mafia because they lost a boatload of money when Castro took over. Kennedys Dad was organized crime, Kennedy probably made promises during the campaign that he didnt follow through with in regards to taking Cuba or getting monies released.

[Varmintmist]

try on you tube--"the men who killed Kennedy part?6"-a History channel thing..next is an interview w/the grassy knoll shooter "I killed JFK''--pretty interesting--in 1992 or so a guy who listened to the interview went back  to the grassy knoll and found the incredibly rare 221(?) cartridge  with the bite mark on it the shooter described in the interview

So a casing sat on the ground at a location of one of the highest profile murders in history, that has been combed over by feds and local PD, not to mention millions of conspiracy theorists, history buffs, grounds keepers, and people walking their dogs for 30 years and no one ever found it until a reporter suggested it on TV.......... Ok.

[Patrick]

I can go along with the mob theory. I doubt the mob would put all their eggs in the one basket of a nut with a $12 Carcano.  The mob might not be very bright, but, I think they are smarter than that.
There are too many witness' and pictures of those looking and talking about the knoll along with enhancement of those pictures and there seems to be credible evidence of more than 3 shots.
There are enough later statements from those that say they were involved to sway me away from Oswald as being the only shooter.
I'm interested in finding out what this new info shows. If there is nothing to hide or cover-up, then why hide it or cover it up for 50 years.  I don't buy the reports that those still alive just don't want their names disclosed.

[Alpha Dog]

The mafia name most put out there was New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello.  It has been suggested he brought in a team of French shooters, in one day and then out.  May have placed on the grassy knoll and bridge.  What I always find interesting is the sight of Oswald walking with a black eye.  Reporters nearby trying to question and his statement was he was a patsy.  Who says they are a patsy?  I have forgotten most what I read and viewed back in the day and probably just as well.  We will never know the honest to goodness truth.  A mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma no matter whether David Ferrie actually said this or not.

[Varmintmist]

I can go along with the mob theory. I doubt the mob would put all their eggs in the one basket of a nut with a $12 Carcano.  The mob might not be very bright, but, I think they are smarter than that.
There are too many witness' and pictures of those looking and talking about the knoll along with enhancement of those pictures and there seems to be credible evidence of more than 3 shots.
There are enough later statements from those that say they were involved to sway me away from Oswald as being the only shooter.
I'm interested in finding out what this new info shows. If there is nothing to hide or cover-up, then why hide it or cover it up for 50 years.  I don't buy the reports that those still alive just don't want their names disclosed.

What credible evidence? Kennedy was hit twice, three shots were heard by most of the people. That 12 dollar carcano was purchased at the same time you could buy Springfields for 15. Either way, it is a adequate rifle for a 60 yard shot.
Oswald was a patsy and what would be a better way to make sure there were no strings than get a half nutty guy, talk him into doing something like this while pretending (or being) commies in case he gets caught, then off him before he said enough to even build case back to anyone because no one would really care and most would agree with the action of the assassin.

[Patrick]

I'm thinking you answered your own question.


J Edgar is said to have made a statement that the American public had to be made to believe that Oswald acted alone.