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Well, maybe, justice will finally be served.  I trust Gowdy enough to say it should be a proper investigation and hopefully the prosecution of any wrong doing. Also the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign violated campaign finance laws by failing to accurately disclose payments related to the so-called Trump Dossier, the non-partisan Campaign Legal Center said in a complaint filed today with the Federal Election Commission. Its so good to see the truth come out. House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte announced Tuesday morning they have officially opened a joint investigation into decisions made at the Obama Justice Department surrounding the FBI's criminal investigation into former Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. They also want to know why the FBI kept quiet about ongoing investigations into members of the Trump campaign, like Paul Manafort, while publicly discussing the Clinton probe. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/10/24/its-on-gowdy-n2399599
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Gowdy has been completely ineffective thus far, why should anyone believe differently now. All the lies that came out about Benghazi, the IRS, Clinton's e-mails, etc, yet nobody was prosecuted, nobody is doing any time, nobody ever even got a slap on the wrist.
We'll see more "shame on you" from the right and more grandstanding and campaigning from those on the left, and after all the time and money is spent, NOTHING will happen.
Justice isn't served until someone is punished for what they've done wrong. Still waiting.........
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All of these investigators investigating everyone for every thing turn out nothing. No punishment, no nuttin' Just a waste of dollars and manpower. Complete respect for Gowdy but.................... I'll believe it when I see someone going to prison, or at the very least, fined to the fullest. Absolutely NO faith in DC investigations!!!!! 
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I know I'm likely in the minority here but I see no positive thing to be gained by prosecuting ex-presidents or losing presidential candidates.
I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
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I know I'm likely in the minority here but I see no positive thing to be gained by prosecuting ex-presidents or losing presidential candidates.
I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement.
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Gowdy has been completely ineffective thus far, why should anyone believe differently now. All the lies that came out about Benghazi, the IRS, Clinton's e-mails, etc, yet nobody was prosecuted, nobody is doing any time, nobody ever even got a slap on the wrist.
We'll see more "shame on you" from the right and more grandstanding and campaigning from those on the left, and after all the time and money is spent, NOTHING will happen.
Justice isn't served until someone is punished for what they've done wrong. Still waiting.........
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement. Really? I see it in the exact opposite! So please enlighten me on y'alls thoughts here! If an "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" breaks the laws why shouldn't they be held accountable, like any of us would be? What's stopping the next "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" to do the same if there are no consequences?
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I know I'm likely in the minority here but I see no positive thing to be gained by prosecuting ex-presidents or losing presidential candidates.
I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
We prosecute criminals. Why should it matter what their former status should be? We have seen evidence of great breaches of the Public Trust by members of the previous Administration. The Justice Department of the previous Administration quashing investigations, refusing to pursue corruption within the ranks, and even engaging in lawlessness themselves operating a gun running operation in Mexico that got a Border Patrol agent killed. This isn't political. This is criminal. This is corruption. This IS the evil that has divided us. To give it a pass just encourages more of it.
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I know I'm likely in the minority here but I see no positive thing to be gained by prosecuting ex-presidents or losing presidential candidates.
I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
We prosecute criminals. Why should it matter what their former status should be? We have seen evidence of great breaches of the Public Trust by members of the previous Administration. The Justice Department of the previous Administration quashing investigations, refusing to pursue corruption within the ranks, and even engaging in lawlessness themselves operating a gun running operation in Mexico that got a Border Patrol agent killed. This isn't political. This is criminal. This is corruption. This IS the evil that has divided us. To give it a pass just encourages more of it. It`s interesting how some can see criminality all over the opposite side of their political views. But see none on their side. ???
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement. Really? I see it in the exact opposite! So please enlighten me on y'alls thoughts here! If an "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" breaks the laws why shouldn't they be held accountable, like any of us would be? What's stopping the next "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" to do the same if there are no consequences? Speaking strictly for myself. Clinton has been investigated more thoroghly by the opposing party than anyone in history. They couldn`t come up with anything after all of that. Give it a rest. Willow`s second statement seems to be the most pertinent one. Let`s get back to being a country pulling in one direction. FORWARD
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I won't argue this at length with anyone.
There is good to be accomplished by the legal system. Getting criminals off the street is important to me. Members of the opposition party pursued by a replacement administration, no matter how lawfully righteous, will be seen by a large portion of the opposition party as simply wielding political power. It will further divide an already fractured populace.
It does sound meaningful to say no one is above the law. More importantly, though, maybe considering the damage to be done by pursuing "justice". Most damaging would be a trial with a verdict for whatever reason of not guilty. Pick your fights.
An interesting statement one time caught my attention. The statement from someone in a position to know was that anyone can be found guilty of several crimes at any time, most completely unknown to the individual citizen. I don't want to be charged with the crimes against the laws I have violated. It is very easy to accuse those with whom we strongly disagree of criminal activity. It is much more difficult, even if they are blatantly guilty, to successfully prosecute the alleged criminal to a guilty verdict.
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement. Really? I see it in the exact opposite! So please enlighten me on y'alls thoughts here! If an "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" breaks the laws why shouldn't they be held accountable, like any of us would be? What's stopping the next "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" to do the same if there are no consequences? Speaking strictly for myself. Clinton has been investigated more thoroghly by the opposing party than anyone in history. They couldn`t come up with anything after all of that. Give it a rest. Willow`s second statement seems to be the most pertinent one. Let`s get back to being a country pulling in one direction. FORWARD It's a distraction. Almost literally in this case, feed Christians to the lions while Nero fiddles. 9 investigations? Let's open up a 10th! At least OUR man isn't a Clinton! Even if he is utterly incompetent to lead, and TRULY dividing the nation like never before, to the point that members of "his" party are revolting. But he's not Obama, is he? So he can't be a divider because Obama was! YEAH! And Rome burns. Enjoy the farce and spectacle boys. You've earned every single second of it
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While I understand the bygones let bygones issue I also understand that there are a great many people who are prosecuted for lesser crimes and criminal conspiracies with less evidence than has been presented at present.
This has nothing to do with political affiliation except for the fact of using the office for these possible crimes.
If we cannot prosecute individuals in office then what does that say about our abilities to enforce a orderly, free, fair society. It says exactly that the rich can get off with anything if there is no trial or prosecution.
I always thought the lady Justice's attributes are a blindfold, a balance, and a sword and it didn't matter who you were, I guess in our modern society the rules really have changed.
Isn't that what many are complaining about that there seems to be an unfair advantage to money or position? I get the prosecution and no conviction but that didn't stop criminals like Gotti and Capone or their prosecution.
So we maintain a level footing here the innocent are just that till proven guilty.
What about Richard Nixon resigning, or Bill Clinton being impeached, or the Naval Reservist SENTENCED For Mishandling Classified Docs or how about OJ.
I guess I'm a bit naive and understand that Gowdy may not have brought prosecution but at least its being uncovered and the left cannot claim the innocence based on no problem. That alone is worth admission not only for the truth but for a second thought to anyone who would try the same thing.
I really don't understand sweeping the truth under the rug. While we all do things we can be found guilty of we did not have a possible criminal conspiracy going done with planning and for thought and that is the difference.
Isa 59:14 Our courts oppose the righteous, and justice is nowhere to be found. Truth stumbles in the streets, and honesty has been outlawed. Isa 59:15 Yes, truth is gone, and anyone who renounces evil is attacked. The LORD looked and was displeased to find there was no justice.
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I'm not interested in seeing more millionaires in jail, there are things far worse for most of these people. We need the evidence that is irrefutable that these people did what we think they did. We need the evidence so Hilliary can't get on fake news and say it's just the same old baloney the right has been peddling for years. We have members here that seem to share her view so we need to get down to the nitty gritty. I want them, whoever they are, disgraced to the point that even Jerry Springer wouldn't have them on his show. I want Joe and Mika to wake up and say, dayum Hilliard you really screwed the pouch didn't you!
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Gowdy has been completely ineffective thus far, why should anyone believe differently now. All the lies that came out about Benghazi, the IRS, Clinton's e-mails, etc, yet nobody was prosecuted, nobody is doing any time, nobody ever even got a slap on the wrist.
We'll see more "shame on you" from the right and more grandstanding and campaigning from those on the left, and after all the time and money is spent, NOTHING will happen.
Justice isn't served until someone is punished for what they've done wrong. Still waiting.........
Forgive my skepticism.
That is exactly what will happen been down this road too many times. Need a special counsel with all the powers. Wilford Brimley's character in Absence of Malice comes to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqBJJF2yvE
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement. Really? I see it in the exact opposite! So please enlighten me on y'alls thoughts here! If an "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" breaks the laws why shouldn't they be held accountable, like any of us would be? What's stopping the next "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" to do the same if there are no consequences? Speaking strictly for myself. Clinton has been investigated more thoroghly by the opposing party than anyone in history. They couldn`t come up with anything after all of that. Give it a rest. Willow`s second statement seems to be the most pertinent one. Let`s get back to being a country pulling in one direction. FORWARD It's a distraction. Almost literally in this case, feed Christians to the lions while Nero fiddles. 9 investigations? Let's open up a 10th! At least OUR man isn't a Clinton! Even if he is utterly incompetent to lead, and TRULY dividing the nation like never before, to the point that members of "his" party are revolting. But he's not Obama, is he? So he can't be a divider because Obama was! YEAH! And Rome burns. Enjoy the farce and spectacle boys. You've earned every single second of itThanks, I am enjoying it. Enjoy watching your girlfriend go to prison.
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I'm not interested in seeing more millionaires in jail, there are things far worse for most of these people. We need the evidence that is irrefutable that these people did what we think they did. We need the evidence so Hilliary can't get on fake news and say it's just the same old baloney the right has been peddling for years. We have members here that seem to share her view so we need to get down to the nitty gritty. I want them, whoever they are, disgraced to the point that even Jerry Springer wouldn't have them on his show. I want Joe and Mika to wake up and say, dayum Hilliard you really screwed the pouch didn't you!
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" Have no quarrel that. Jesus also said, he who is without sin cast the first stone and he also told a sinner after he had intervened to go and sin no more. I don't need a lecture on the Bible. We just need our elected officials to follow the principles therein and we would be talking a lot more about riding.
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I would like all politicians and public officials that commit crimes be prosecuted, and do time if warranted. Both parties; any parties (and especially Eric Holder).
But collectively, our Fed G is such a demonstrated bunch of nitwits, incompetents, bozos, and n'er-do-wells who place reelection above all duty to people and country that I think they need to spend all of their available time trying to effectively and efficiently run a Fed government, and drop all other matters not related to that. Sure there are some exceptions, but not enough. Each day congress is sitting, they should be required to stand and re-swear their oaths of office, and the pledge of allegiance (including under God), just to remind them why they are there (any atheists can fake it).
Some (or all) of these investigations may be warranted, I don't honestly know. But I do know that these investigations are the tail wagging the dog, and that our elected officials are failing in their principle duties.... of the people, by the people, for the people.
Fix immigration, compromise on illegals, shitcan the tax code and simplify it greatly, balance the budget, fix entitlements, quit wasting money, hang all porkbarrelers, support the military and veterans, and that's just for starters. Get busy and quit screwing around.
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I'm not interested in seeing more millionaires in jail, there are things far worse for most of these people. We need the evidence that is irrefutable that these people did what we think they did. We need the evidence so Hilliary can't get on fake news and say it's just the same old baloney the right has been peddling for years. We have members here that seem to share her view so we need to get down to the nitty gritty. I want them, whoever they are, disgraced to the point that even Jerry Springer wouldn't have them on his show. I want Joe and Mika to wake up and say, dayum Hilliard you really screwed the pouch didn't you!
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" Have no quarrel that. Jesus also said, he who is without sin cast the first stone and he also told a sinner after he had intervened to go and sin no more. I don't need a lecture on the Bible. We just need our elected officials to follow the principles therein and we would be talking a lot more about riding. I am no one to be lecturing anyone on the Bible. And it wasn't meant to be. Your comments sounded like you were more interested in vengeance and ridicule than anything else.
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
I don't see how not going after her or anyone else in either admin. will help heal a nation. In the case(s) of the Clintons where one can get a half million for "a speech", what good would a fine do? If even one 10th of what is suspected is true, only incarceration(s) can possibly have a deterrent effect on others. FWIW, I never saw pardoning Nixon as healing the nation, either.
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Just seems odd to me that most of those saying the current POTUS is divisive (NOT just on this board) are the same ones who are rioting, committing crimes in the name of protest, and refusing to abide by the Constitutional election results. This election is only divisive because of the naysayers.
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What does it matter? The truth always matters.
Punishment and sentencing do not happen until after an investigation, a trial or plea and entry of a judgment
You meet a pretty girl are you worried your kid will be a doctor?
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I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
Justice should be served regardless of the position held. I see no difference in those people breaking the law versus any of us. I also believe we need to hold our leaders to a higher standard. President Trump has frustrated me several times already but to my knowledge, he hasn't committed any crimes. If he does, then he should be held accountable. Some of our former leadership has sold this country (us) out. To not hold them responsible is just telling the next one that it's OK, you can get away with it.
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Just seems odd to me that most of those saying the current POTUS is divisive (NOT just on this board) are the same ones who are rioting, committing crimes in the name of protest, and refusing to abide by the Constitutional election results. This election is only divisive because of the naysayers.
I'm not sure I understand your statement. Are you saying most of the people who think Trump is divisive are also out committing crimes ? Are you saying his election is divisive due to no fault of his own ?
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Just seems odd to me that most of those saying the current POTUS is divisive (NOT just on this board) are the same ones who are rioting, committing crimes in the name of protest, and refusing to abide by the Constitutional election results. This election is only divisive because of the naysayers.
I'm not sure I understand your statement. Are you saying most of the people who think Trump is divisive are also out committing crimes ? Are you saying his election is divisive due to no fault of his own ? Interesting that those are the only two options you came up with..................
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Just seems odd to me that most of those saying the current POTUS is divisive (NOT just on this board) are the same ones who are rioting, committing crimes in the name of protest, and refusing to abide by the Constitutional election results. This election is only divisive because of the naysayers.
I'm not sure I understand your statement. Are you saying most of the people who think Trump is divisive are also out committing crimes ? Are you saying his election is divisive due to no fault of his own ? Interesting that those are the only two options you came up with.................. Like I said, his statement is confusing. That seems exactly what he is saying.
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While being "a moron" on Twitter is not a crime, it certainly doesn't impress anyone.
And yes - ALL the people should be subject to the same laws - starting with Congress only getting what health care that is available from the ACA. No exemptions for former political leaders - and no statute of limitations for crimes committed in office either.
Yes - I think our "leaders" should be held to standards at least as much as the rest of us - and preferably a great deal tougher to live up to.
And speaking of elections - anyone I could really get behind as President is way too smart to do so... Colin Powell, Mike Rowe, Stephen Colbert - I'm sure there are others
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2017, 07:30:52 PM » |
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Just seems odd to me that most of those saying the current POTUS is divisive (NOT just on this board) are the same ones who are rioting, committing crimes in the name of protest, and refusing to abide by the Constitutional election results. This election is only divisive because of the naysayers.
I'm not sure I understand your statement. Are you saying most of the people who think Trump is divisive are also out committing crimes ? Are you saying his election is divisive due to no fault of his own ? Interesting that those are the only two options you came up with.................. Like I said, his statement is confusing. That seems exactly what he is saying. Sorry, I didn't see it as confusing at all. What I am saying is that it isn't Trump who is dividing the country, it is the ones who think they can change the Constitutional election by whining about it.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2017, 05:01:36 AM » |
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2017, 06:52:57 AM » |
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I know I'm likely in the minority here but I see no positive thing to be gained by prosecuting ex-presidents or losing presidential candidates.
I would like to see more efforts to unite the people of the nation rather than deepening the divide.
On this you and I are in complete agreement. Especially the second statement. Really? I see it in the exact opposite! So please enlighten me on y'alls thoughts here! If an "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" breaks the laws why shouldn't they be held accountable, like any of us would be? What's stopping the next "ex-president or losing presidential candidate" to do the same if there are no consequences? +1 exactly tx. I think 20 yrs to life for the Clintons, Obama, Holder, Lynch, Reid, Pelosi, Rangle and that IRS woman would be a great boost towards uniting the country. Sure there will be some not liking it at first but the increased calm in the long run by getting the dirty ones locked up (if it ever happens) will be worth it.
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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2017, 06:58:07 AM » |
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I'm not interested in seeing more millionaires in jail, there are things far worse for most of these people. We need the evidence that is irrefutable that these people did what we think they did. We need the evidence so Hilliary can't get on fake news and say it's just the same old baloney the right has been peddling for years. We have members here that seem to share her view so we need to get down to the nitty gritty. I want them, whoever they are, disgraced to the point that even Jerry Springer wouldn't have them on his show. I want Joe and Mika to wake up and say, dayum Hilliard you really screwed the pouch didn't you!
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" Have no quarrel that. Jesus also said, he who is without sin cast the first stone and he also told a sinner after he had intervened to go and sin no more. I don't need a lecture on the Bible. We just need our elected officials to follow the principles therein and we would be talking a lot more about riding. I am no one to be lecturing anyone on the Bible. And it wasn't meant to be. Your comments sounded like you were more interested in vengeance and ridicule than anything else. Let me clairify. I have two grandsons. They are twins but they are as different in personality as any two children could be. I and my wife have spent the first two years of their lives as their full time care givers while mom and dad are at work. Now to the point. They test us daily to see what they can get away with, playing with electrical outlets, climbing on furniture (everything) biting each other and the list goes on. There is no shortage of love in their home but there has to be discipline too. I'm of the opinion that the most important lesson I can instill in them is, " actions have consequences ". It's working but it's a slow methodical process. I hope that what I can instill in them now will save them from a multitude of problems later in life. Using Hilliard as an example. Millions of people support her and would maybe vote for her again and that's ok. But if she has broken the law or worse, the deeds need to be exposed. I don't need to see her in jail, "vengeance " ,but I do need for her to feel the conquences of her actions. Insert whatever action you think that should be. You can substitute any name you like for Hilliaries in the above statement and I would be fine with it. Look at Trumps situation, he and his campaign being investigated, I say let the chips fall where they may. So far it appears that most of the chips are falling on the Democratic side of things. He was very vocal from the beginning that there was no colusion on his part and so far...........
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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2017, 07:09:26 AM » |
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I'm not interested in seeing more millionaires in jail, there are things far worse for most of these people. We need the evidence that is irrefutable that these people did what we think they did. We need the evidence so Hilliary can't get on fake news and say it's just the same old baloney the right has been peddling for years. We have members here that seem to share her view so we need to get down to the nitty gritty. I want them, whoever they are, disgraced to the point that even Jerry Springer wouldn't have them on his show. I want Joe and Mika to wake up and say, dayum Hilliard you really screwed the pouch didn't you!
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" Have no quarrel that. Jesus also said, he who is without sin cast the first stone and he also told a sinner after he had intervened to go and sin no more. I don't need a lecture on the Bible. We just need our elected officials to follow the principles therein and we would be talking a lot more about riding. I am no one to be lecturing anyone on the Bible. And it wasn't meant to be. Your comments sounded like you were more interested in vengeance and ridicule than anything else. Let me clairify. I have two grandsons. They are twins but they are as different in personality as any two children could be. I and my wife have spent the first two years of their lives as their full time care givers while mom and dad are at work. Now to the point. They test us daily to see what they can get away with, playing with electrical outlets, climbing on furniture (everything) biting each other and the list goes on. There is no shortage of love in their home but there has to be discipline too. I'm of the opinion that the most important lesson I can instill in them is, " actions have consequences ". It's working but it's a slow methodical process. I hope that what I can instill in them now will save them from a multitude of problems later in life. Using Hilliard as an example. Millions of people support her and would maybe vote for her again and that's ok. But if she has broken the law or worse, the deeds need to be exposed. I don't need to see her in jail, "vengeance " ,but I do need for her to feel the conquences of her actions. Insert whatever action you think that should be. You can substitute any name you like for Hilliaries in the above statement and I would be fine with it. Look at Trumps situation, he and his campaign being investigated, I say let the chips fall where they may. So far it appears that most of the chips are falling on the Democratic side of things. He was very vocal from the beginning that there was no colusion on his part and so far........... "if" is the operative word in your statement. So far after all the investigations of her there has been nothing charged. How long and how many dollars do you feel we should investigate her with ? I assume from your statement if the Mueller investigation finds Trump or his subordinates have committed crimes you will be ok with charging them ? Or will it be "Fake News" ?
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I won't argue this at length with anyone.
There is good to be accomplished by the legal system. Getting criminals off the street is important to me. Members of the opposition party pursued by a replacement administration, no matter how lawfully righteous, will be seen by a large portion of the opposition party as simply wielding political power. It will further divide an already fractured populace.
It does sound meaningful to say no one is above the law. More importantly, though, maybe considering the damage to be done by pursuing "justice". Most damaging would be a trial with a verdict for whatever reason of not guilty. Pick your fights.
An interesting statement one time caught my attention. The statement from someone in a position to know was that anyone can be found guilty of several crimes at any time, most completely unknown to the individual citizen. I don't want to be charged with the crimes against the laws I have violated. It is very easy to accuse those with whom we strongly disagree of criminal activity. It is much more difficult, even if they are blatantly guilty, to successfully prosecute the alleged criminal to a guilty verdict.
But you never answered the basic question..... What is to stop the next ex or loser from tdoing the same,..... or worse? I'm not so sure prosecution of the guilty (soooo much evidence) will taste that bad. Even if it does, like good medicine, it may hurt or get worse immediately, but it will benefit the country (the most important thing in this whole equation) in the long run by making them play, at least, lawfully. All of the g_d damn protests for equality in the justice system already splitting the country on yet another racial issue and we should let the rich white people off but arrest and prosecute the poor black guy for selling loosies. Seems to be the exact opposite of what the base of their own party wants. And they say Trump supporters are brain washed.
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"if" is the operative word in your statement. So far after all the investigations of her there has been nothing charged. How long and how many dollars do you feel we should investigate her with ? I assume from your statement if the Mueller investigation finds Trump or his subordinates have committed crimes you will be ok with charging them ? Or will it be "Fake News" ?
The fact that she has not been charged IMHO is only because of the "political pull" the Clintons have. There is documented evidence of several laws being broken. We all know this and yet, no prosecution due to a "lack of intent". The phrase BS comes to mind. Regardless of who or party affiliation, our leaders are no better than you or I. The same rules apply. In fact, due to their positions, they should endeavor to stay well above that standard. The Clintons have pushed that line back so far no one really knows where it is any longer. They also have significant influence on the hill. Remember when HRC's husband and the last attorney general met on a private aircraft during the investigation only to discuss their grandkids.  Knowing both are lawyer's, I have no doubt they did discuss the grand kids. I can see HRC's husband asking if HRC's grand kids had anything to worry about.............. Yeah, I can see that... 
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