The NFL and Gun Control

[Gavin_Sons]

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

I don't see a population demographics comparison yet, so not ALL of our points have been addressed.

The only point he has is bad mouthing America and its people.

[northernvalk]

Well let's get down to a few of these "points"

Phycho....MOST of my country has NO population at all, our urban areas are close to the same population density as yours and
 "Like many other industrialized countries, Canada is a very highly urbanized nation. In 2006, just over 80% of the population was living in urban areas, and roughly two thirds of Canadians were living in a census metropolitan area.Apr 23, 2014"
So your argument that we all live 10 miles apart is totally wrong and ignorant.

Pete, your refusal to address my simple question is evident of your lack of factual support for your assumptions and declarations.....and you called me childish...

Alpha and Hub,
What are you showing us here?!?!? the data CLEARLY states that you have 4.88 intentional homicides to our 1.68 per 100,000 people.....how does that help your argument?!?!?! To me, that TOTALLY supports MY argument that easy access to hand guns etc facilitates homicide.  Thanks

Any other "points" you guys would like to make?

The only reason gun deaths per capital are as high as they are is that is taking the whole country as one zone.  Leave out gun free states and areas like Chicago, DC, parts of California and deaths by fire arms would be so low places like Canada would be copying our  hand gun rules

I find it funny that the standard response from all of you when presented with factual data is "Well, if they counted this, that, and the other thing, the numbers would be different"?

NEVER accept the facts and NEVER consider other's opinions, is that standard MO?

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

Maybe you need to practice what you preach

I have, EVERY SINGLE TIME.  I will consider ALL logical and factual arguments. That is the whole point of starting this conversation.  DO you think I wanted to get berated by you guys about gun laws? NO!, I wanted to try to understand the thoughts behind your arguments and I hoped to learn something new.  As a pro gun "guy" I am always interested in the thoughts of other gun lovers and the reasons for those thoughts.  What I have seen so far are people ignoring points put forth and falling aback to the same, tiresome argument of "it's my right".......

[Gavin_Sons]

Well let's get down to a few of these "points"

Phycho....MOST of my country has NO population at all, our urban areas are close to the same population density as yours and
 "Like many other industrialized countries, Canada is a very highly urbanized nation. In 2006, just over 80% of the population was living in urban areas, and roughly two thirds of Canadians were living in a census metropolitan area.Apr 23, 2014"
So your argument that we all live 10 miles apart is totally wrong and ignorant.

Pete, your refusal to address my simple question is evident of your lack of factual support for your assumptions and declarations.....and you called me childish...

Alpha and Hub,
What are you showing us here?!?!? the data CLEARLY states that you have 4.88 intentional homicides to our 1.68 per 100,000 people.....how does that help your argument?!?!?! To me, that TOTALLY supports MY argument that easy access to hand guns etc facilitates homicide.  Thanks

Any other "points" you guys would like to make?

The only reason gun deaths per capital are as high as they are is that is taking the whole country as one zone.  Leave out gun free states and areas like Chicago, DC, parts of California and deaths by fire arms would be so low places like Canada would be copying our  hand gun rules

I find it funny that the standard response from all of you when presented with factual data is "Well, if they counted this, that, and the other thing, the numbers would be different"?

NEVER accept the facts and NEVER consider other's opinions, is that standard MO?

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

Maybe you need to practice what you preach

I have, EVERY SINGLE TIME.  I will consider ALL logical and factual arguments. That is the whole point of starting this conversation.  DO you think I wanted to get berated by you guys about gun laws? NO!, I wanted to try to understand the thoughts behind your arguments and I hoped to learn something new.  As a pro gun "guy" I am always interested in the thoughts of other gun lovers and the reasons for those thoughts.  What I have seen so far are people ignoring points put forth and falling aback to the same, tiresome argument of "it's my right".......

Well it is our right, we don't need to produce excuses to an outsider that refuses to understand that simple point. Congradulations you just made my ignore list. I don't appreciate foreigners coming in here and telling us we are wrong for carrying handguns and our country has a problem. You are the one with the problem and I suggest that you stay in your own country if you don't like our laws. You might be too offended seeing someone walking down the street with a gun on their hip.

[northernvalk]

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

I don't see a population demographics comparison yet, so not ALL of our points have been addressed.

Well, take 30 seconds to search the good old WWW and you will see that we have almost the exact same white% vs minorities.  We have slightly more Asians, you have slightly more black and latino. No data to suggest that the difference in ethnic breakdown should support nearly triple the intended homicide rate.
What else should we look at?

[Rams]

Well let's get down to a few of these "points"

Phycho....MOST of my country has NO population at all, our urban areas are close to the same population density as yours and
 "Like many other industrialized countries, Canada is a very highly urbanized nation. In 2006, just over 80% of the population was living in urban areas, and roughly two thirds of Canadians were living in a census metropolitan area.Apr 23, 2014"
So your argument that we all live 10 miles apart is totally wrong and ignorant.

Pete, your refusal to address my simple question is evident of your lack of factual support for your assumptions and declarations.....and you called me childish...

Alpha and Hub,
What are you showing us here?!?!? the data CLEARLY states that you have 4.88 intentional homicides to our 1.68 per 100,000 people.....how does that help your argument?!?!?! To me, that TOTALLY supports MY argument that easy access to hand guns etc facilitates homicide.  Thanks

Any other "points" you guys would like to make?

The only reason gun deaths per capital are as high as they are is that is taking the whole country as one zone.  Leave out gun free states and areas like Chicago, DC, parts of California and deaths by fire arms would be so low places like Canada would be copying our  hand gun rules

I find it funny that the standard response from all of you when presented with factual data is "Well, if they counted this, that, and the other thing, the numbers would be different"?

NEVER accept the facts and NEVER consider other's opinions, is that standard MO?

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

Maybe you need to practice what you preach

I have, EVERY SINGLE TIME.  I will consider ALL logical and factual arguments. That is the whole point of starting this conversation.  DO you think I wanted to get berated by you guys about gun laws? NO!, I wanted to try to understand the thoughts behind your arguments and I hoped to learn something new.  As a pro gun "guy" I am always interested in the thoughts of other gun lovers and the reasons for those thoughts.  What I have seen so far are people ignoring points put forth and falling aback to the same, tiresome argument of "it's my right".......

I won't argue the point with you, we obviously don't view an American Citizens Rights from the same perspective.   I don't mean this to be a personal insult but, to be honest, I really don't care what someone who is not a US citizen thinks about an American citizen's rights.    As long as they are obeying the laws of the land, they have all the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

When we start letting those rights degrade, that slippery slope becomes very steep.   I won't willing give up any of my rights.   That's from a pro-gun person who doesn't even (currently) own a gun.
Whether you accept the reasoning or not, that's my position and yes, those rights are worth defending.

I do want to assure you that I have absolutely no desire to own a fully capable automatic weapon but, this isn't just about that.   It's about giving an inch and taking a mile.   If we don't fight to keep the rights we have, those rights will diminish to nothing in short order.   Having spent most of my adult  life in the Marines and the Army, I've fired a significant number of automatic weapons.   I have absolutely no desire to do that ever again but, I do wish to retain all the rights guaranteed by our Constitution.   
YMMV

[northernvalk]

Well let's get down to a few of these "points"

Phycho....MOST of my country has NO population at all, our urban areas are close to the same population density as yours and
 "Like many other industrialized countries, Canada is a very highly urbanized nation. In 2006, just over 80% of the population was living in urban areas, and roughly two thirds of Canadians were living in a census metropolitan area.Apr 23, 2014"
So your argument that we all live 10 miles apart is totally wrong and ignorant.

Pete, your refusal to address my simple question is evident of your lack of factual support for your assumptions and declarations.....and you called me childish...

Alpha and Hub,
What are you showing us here?!?!? the data CLEARLY states that you have 4.88 intentional homicides to our 1.68 per 100,000 people.....how does that help your argument?!?!?! To me, that TOTALLY supports MY argument that easy access to hand guns etc facilitates homicide.  Thanks

Any other "points" you guys would like to make?

The only reason gun deaths per capital are as high as they are is that is taking the whole country as one zone.  Leave out gun free states and areas like Chicago, DC, parts of California and deaths by fire arms would be so low places like Canada would be copying our  hand gun rules

I find it funny that the standard response from all of you when presented with factual data is "Well, if they counted this, that, and the other thing, the numbers would be different"?

NEVER accept the facts and NEVER consider other's opinions, is that standard MO?

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

Maybe you need to practice what you preach

I have, EVERY SINGLE TIME.  I will consider ALL logical and factual arguments. That is the whole point of starting this conversation.  DO you think I wanted to get berated by you guys about gun laws? NO!, I wanted to try to understand the thoughts behind your arguments and I hoped to learn something new.  As a pro gun "guy" I am always interested in the thoughts of other gun lovers and the reasons for those thoughts.  What I have seen so far are people ignoring points put forth and falling aback to the same, tiresome argument of "it's my right".......

Well it is our right, we don't need to produce excuses to an outsider that refuses to understand that simple point. Congradulations you just made my ignore list. I don't appreciate foreigners coming in here and telling us we are wrong for carrying handguns and our country has a problem. You are the one with the problem and I suggest that you stay in your own country if you don't like our laws. You might be too offended seeing someone walking down the street with a gun on their hip.

I didn't expect much more from you Gavin....the data and every other developed nation on earth says you have a problem, not me.

[northernvalk]

NOT ONE OF YOU has answered my question yet I have addressed ALL of your points....

I don't see a population demographics comparison yet, so not ALL of our points have been addressed.

The only point he has is bad mouthing America and its people.

Show me ONE time i "bad mouthed" American people in general ONE!!! Show me ONE time I "bad mouthed" America?  Enough of the false accusation and bull crap Gavin, just because YOU cannot formulate an educated argument doesn't mean I bad mouthed ANYONE!!!

[northernvalk]

Sorry, I forgot you "blocked"me because you couldn't have a proper two way conversation