Another muslim attack.

[Patrick]

Just an hour or so ago a terrorist POS drove a rented truck down a Manhattan bike lane killing a number of folks and injuring many others. Take a guess at what he was yelling as his exited his vehicle.
A POS like him needs to be strapped to bike, his ass run over and left bleeding to death.
We need to declare total war against these terrorist dickheads.
I know, I know, just venting.

[Oss]

gonna call my daughter who lives in manhattan now

[old2soon]

gonna call my daughter who lives in manhattan now

                 Keep us updated please Evan. Prayers up for All New Yorkers.  RIDE SAFE.

[old2soon]

What I can't help but speculate on is what IF there had been at least one responsible legally armed citizen in that spot with a fully loaded magazine ready to rock and roll with 12 to 18 rounds on tap? But hats off to the N Y P D for taking this critter alive. Course if years down the road they turn the worthlessscumbagsumbitch loose then they should have dropped him. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Now its reported this ass is here on a diversity visa. What the heck is that ?   I don't know if its noticed, this hits a cord with me.


OK, looked it up. Its a visa lottery that allows 50,000 with no connection to this country, or skills, into our country every year.   That tells me there is virtually no vetting process for these people.

OK, looked it up. The diversity lottery was part of the 1990 Immigration Act signed by President Bush. President Trump has been trying to introduce a bill to eliminate that lottery as part of his immigration policy changes and has met resistance to it. I wonder if he'll have any further resistance.


Learn something every day.

[Skinhead]

I guess now we have to ban bump stocks AND dump trucks.

[art]

Rental trucks kill people an they should be banned. I sure hope the NYPD has a chance to (talk) to him.

[Chrisj CMA]

Rental trucks kill people an they should be banned. I sure hope the NYPD has a chance to (talk) to him.

Just ban the gas peddle so no one can make it go, no need to ban the whole truck

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Terrorism strike again. Man, what a sad thing. Sad for the victims who were injured and killed. Sad for their families. Sad for the people who live in a city that discourages or outright bans citizens from carrying the means to defend themselves.

Granted a crazy could do the same here to some extent. A vehicle could come up behind a group of bicyclists and plow them down. There wouldn't be much defense from that. Same with pedestrians and possibly even a group of motorcycles.

But, if the guy committed that kind of an act here then jumped our of his truck waving a gun and shouting terrorist slogans... I think in most areas Hoosier citizens would leave him with frothing holes and sucking chest wounds pretty quickly. I would never live anyplace where victim hood is enforced by the law.

These terrorists pretend to be some kind of warriors and yet they attack average citizens, men, women and children in a city that doesn’t allow the average citizen to carry a gun for self-defense. He didn’t attack solders, he didn’t attack the National Guard, he attacked guaranteed unarmed citizens in a city which requires citizens to be unarmed. He didn’t attack gangbangers who would have been armed in-spite of the law. He attacked unarmed yuppies on a bicycle path.

He was so sure his victims were unarmed that he jumped out of his truck and ran down the path waving fake guns and shouting the terrorist slogan.

These are the people we are up against, cowardly people who attack women and children while taking advantage of anti-gun laws to insure their victims are defenseless. Sad, sad indeed.

[cookiedough]

trump needs to STOP allowing all immigrants who get a PASS to come into this country ASAP as he would like to have done.

govt. needs to step up investigating their free PASSES and investigate the remaining 1000's out there who got them.  welcome to America, let anyone in with NO monitoring.

[3fan4life]

As far as Iam concerned, those who commit such acts are not and should not be considered as human beings.

They are parasites and should be exterminated immediately (after they have been brutally beaten and or totured for any information about other parasites that they may have).

Yeah, I know that this isn't a "Politically Correct" oppinion.

Guess what?

I don't care!

Terrorists aren't playing fair and they NEVER will.

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

[G-Man]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

[3fan4life]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

I have never understood why some think that people who don't live in and aren't citizens of this country have the same Constitutional rights as people who are citizens of this country.

[The emperor has no clothes]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

I have never understood why some think that people who don't live in and aren't citizens of this country have the same Constitutional rights as people who are citizens of this country.

http://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/

[bscrive]

Personally, I think that if you are not born in the country, but have your citizenship and you commit a violent crime.  Then you should do your jail time, have your citizenship revoked and shipped back to your country of origin the same day as the completion of your punishment never to be allowed back into the country again.  I don't care if it is a war torn crap hole.  Canada and the Us should adopt this policy, but this would never happen because of all the bleeding hearts out there.

[hubcapsc]

Sorry, I don't think that that just because kooksRus.org says that

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

means

The First Amendment prevents the government from censoring noncitizens’ speech or suppressing the practice of their religion

doesn't make it so.

"the people" are certainly us (citizens) and not them (non-citizens).

-Mike "I'm not a member of the supreme court"

[3fan4life]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

I have never understood why some think that people who don't live in and aren't citizens of this country have the same Constitutional rights as people who are citizens of this country.

http://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/

I read the link.

It really doesn't say that non citizens living outside of US borders have rights under the US Constitution.

Also, read the Bio of the Author and you will find that he is clearly biased towards the left.

[98valk]

Anyone who doesn't understand Islam needs to read this!!!! Excerpted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..

Here’s how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.

It is a trick.

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic
minorities and disaffected groups, often with major
recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is
happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

For example, they will push for the introduction of halal food (clean by Islamic standards), thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government
to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.

The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burning. Any non muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections.

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. Think what is going on in Turkey now, after the so-called coupe attempt.

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks,

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent
jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim.

"The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, (28), (F) is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by 'force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.' This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States. Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Whether Islam is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited."

Can a Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no, because his allegiance is to Allah.

Religiously - no, because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qur'an 2:256).

Scripturally - no, because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Qur'an.

Geographically - no, because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no, because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no, because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders) who teach the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no, because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Qur'an 4:34).

Intellectually - no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur'an does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist! Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no, because when we declare 'one nation under God,' we are referring to the Christian's God and not Allah.

They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans/Canadians; they cannot and will not integrate into the great melting pot of America.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Muslims everywhere have said they will destroy us from within

[The emperor has no clothes]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

I have never understood why some think that people who don't live in and aren't citizens of this country have the same Constitutional rights as people who are citizens of this country.

http://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/

I read the link.

It really doesn't say that non citizens living outside of US borders have rights under the US Constitution.

Also, read the Bio of the Author and you will find that he is clearly biased towards the left.

The way I understand it is if you are physically present in the U.S. you are afforded many of the rights set out in the Constitution . I think courts have pretty much determined this.

[old2soon]

Anyone who doesn't understand Islam needs to read this!!!! Excerpted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..

Here’s how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.

It is a trick.

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic
minorities and disaffected groups, often with major
recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is
happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

For example, they will push for the introduction of halal food (clean by Islamic standards), thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government
to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.

The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burning. Any non muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections.

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. Think what is going on in Turkey now, after the so-called coupe attempt.

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks,

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent
jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim.

"The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, (28), (F) is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by 'force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.' This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States. Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Whether Islam is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited."

Can a Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no, because his allegiance is to Allah.

Religiously - no, because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qur'an 2:256).

Scripturally - no, because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Qur'an.

Geographically - no, because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no, because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no, because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders) who teach the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no, because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Qur'an 4:34).

Intellectually - no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur'an does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist! Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no, because when we declare 'one nation under God,' we are referring to the Christian's God and not Allah.

They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans/Canadians; they cannot and will not integrate into the great melting pot of America.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Muslims everywhere have said they will destroy us from within

                You git it. I git it. Lotsa other folks on this board git it. Our current POTUS I believe gits it. Some of our judges and politicos on both sides of the aisle Sadly do NOT git it. Supposedly this turd been here 7 years on that special visa thingy. Who wuz in the wheelhouse 7 years ago?  RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

As far as Iam concerned, those who commit such acts are not and should not be considered as human beings.

They are parasites and should be exterminated immediately (after they have been brutally beaten and or totured for any information about other parasites that they may have).

Yeah, I know that this isn't a "Politically Correct" oppinion.

Guess what?

I don't care!

Terrorists aren't playing fair and they NEVER will.

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

 a bullet to the head is quicker and much cheaper on the American tax dollar.  but, we all know that will not happen unfortunately.

[old2soon]

As far as Iam concerned, those who commit such acts are not and should not be considered as human beings.

They are parasites and should be exterminated immediately (after they have been brutally beaten and or totured for any information about other parasites that they may have).

Yeah, I know that this isn't a "Politically Correct" oppinion.

Guess what?

I don't care!

Terrorists aren't playing fair and they NEVER will.

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

 a bullet to the head is quicker and much cheaper on the American tax dollar.  but, we all know that will not happen unfortunately.

              Supposedly this critter was gut shot. I doubt they git anything useful during interrogation but he did NOT git to commit suicide either. Hold him in a pig sty til trial. RIDE SAFE.

[Tx Bohemian]

gonna call my daughter who lives in manhattan now

Hope things are good with her.

My son also lives in Manhattan.

He called soon after this happened to let me know he was ok.

Same son that was in Paris a couple years back when they had the shootings there!
To my delight he no longer has the job where he travels that much! Still goes but not as much!

[¿spoom]

Had a short conversation at the diner this morning with a person who for some reason took much delight in pointing out the killer was "radicalized HERE" and not "over there". Told him I didn't much care, and that as long as the United States doesn't see Islam (as it's currently practiced) is a cancer, we should have all cities dig pit trenches for the piles of bodies we/re going to end up with. Did I mention the conversation was short? Would people support the KKK if they called their meeting places, temples, churches, mosques, whatever?

[Savago]

What McCain said: "#NYC terror suspect should be held & interrogated as an enemy combatant consistent with the Law of Armed Conflict." on twitter.

And "The terrorist attack in New York is the latest brutal, horrific example of the war that radical Islamist extremists are waging against our nation and our way of life. From Orlando to San Bernardino and Boston to Manhattan, we must not consider these attacks on our homeland in isolation, but rather recognize them for what they are: acts of war. "
link: https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=47259DC1-98E3-41D7-8D59-3A539022DB98

And from the same link: "Finally, I agree with criticisms of the Diversity Visa Program, which is why I joined my colleagues on both sides of the aisle in 2013 to pass comprehensive immigration reform in the Senate that would have eliminated this program and replaced it with a merit-based system"

[Pappy!]

McCain may be correct.
I vote we just put him on a plane and take him back where he came from. When the plane is roughly over his cave just push him out the back of the plane. Problem solved!

[Jess from VA]

McCain may be correct.
I vote we just put him on a plane and take him back where he came from. When the plane is roughly over his cave just push him out the back of the plane. Problem solved!

I agree, entirely.

But since that is unlikely, and because NY has no death penalty, the case should be handed off to the feds for a death penalty prosecution.  Our US DOJ has become a bunch of limp dicks over the last decade, and they need the practice in trying death cases.

And while we're at it, bring back death by hanging.  Properly done, death is nearly instant with no suffering.  It is not ,cruel and unusual. None of this going to sleep crap.  It is the right statement to make in death cases.

[Patrick]

McCain may be correct.
I vote we just put him on a plane and take him back where he came from. When the plane is roughly over his cave just push him out the back of the plane. Problem solved!

I agree, entirely.

But since that is unlikely, and because NY has no death penalty, the case should be handed off to the feds for a death penalty prosecution.  Our US DOJ has become a bunch of limp dicks over the last decade, and they need the practice in trying death cases.

And while we're at it, bring back death by hanging.  Properly done, death is nearly instant with no suffering.  It is not ,cruel and unusual. None of this going to sleep crap.  It is the right statement to make in death cases.

Hanging works and its cheap.  Bring it back to the public square.  If they could do it to this POS I'd bring a whole lot of popcorn. Or better yet, pork rinds.

[rocketray]

explain to me one more time how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after being hit by .....nothing...and on the BBC was announced 20 minutes before it collapsed it had collapsed...then google what part of the media do the rothschilds own--they own the FED/IMF and everything else...

[Patrick]

explain to me one more time how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after being hit by .....nothing...and on the BBC was announced 20 minutes before it collapsed it had collapsed...then google what part of the media do the rothschilds own--they own the FED/IMF and everything else...

I guess I'm one of the low IQ folks that thinks the Towers were brought down by  those POS's in those aeroplanes.  I watched the muslim college students in Buffalo in the streets cheering later that day.  Haven't been much of a fan of them since.



Building 7 was across the street from the WTC complex and about half the height of the North and South buildings. Its believed ,from what I remember, that the fire traveled thru the bridges/walkways between the North and 7th building.
There have been reports of some smelling diesel fuel in all buildings that were burning.  Jet fuel is basically diesel/kerosene.

[Gavin_Sons]

explain to me one more time how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after being hit by .....nothing...and on the BBC was announced 20 minutes before it collapsed it had collapsed...then google what part of the media do the rothschilds own--they own the FED/IMF and everything else...

i think they were hit by planes but that was not the only factor that caused them to collapse on their own footprint.

https://youtu.be/X65VunrO6DQ

[G-Man]

explain to me one more time how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after being hit by .....nothing...and on the BBC was announced 20 minutes before it collapsed it had collapsed...then google what part of the media do the rothschilds own--they own the FED/IMF and everything else...

You know, you're right.  They secretly removed sheet rock, studs, and other building panels, etc, to get to the main beams where they quietly drilled hundreds of hole, then filled these holes with explosives, then covered up the holes with sheet rock and building materials.  They did this for months and months and months because it had to be done secretly of course.  Then they ran all those cables for detonation, probably miles of cables, also secretly and completely hidden for months and months and months. 

And nobody know anything, right?  there are no nighttime security guards that heard drilling going on all night, nobody tripped of the miles of cables, nobody saw anything. Nobody questioned the bills for repairing all those holes to hide what they were doing? 

Ok, I got it.

[3fan4life]

EVERYONE needs to wake up and realize this before it's TOO late.   
 

And when the President tries to protect us, he's met with such hostility and hate.  Cries of racism.  Statements about constitutional right of non-citizens. 

 

I have never understood why some think that people who don't live in and aren't citizens of this country have the same Constitutional rights as people who are citizens of this country.

http://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/

I read the link.

It really doesn't say that non citizens living outside of US borders have rights under the US Constitution.

Also, read the Bio of the Author and you will find that he is clearly biased towards the left.

The way I understand it is if you are physically present in the U.S. you are afforded many of the rights set out in the Constitution . I think courts have pretty much determined this.

I believe that I was referencing people who are not physically within the confines of the United States borders.

[..]

explain to me one more time how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after being hit by .....nothing...and on the BBC was announced 20 minutes before it collapsed it had collapsed...then google what part of the media do the rothschilds own--they own the FED/IMF and everything else...

You know, you're right.  They secretly removed sheet rock, studs, and other building panels, etc, to get to the main beams where they quietly drilled hundreds of hole, then filled these holes with explosives, then covered up the holes with sheet rock and building materials.  They did this for months and months and months because it had to be done secretly of course.  Then they ran all those cables for detonation, probably miles of cables, also secretly and completely hidden for months and months and months. 

And nobody know anything, right?  there are no nighttime security guards that heard drilling going on all night, nobody tripped of the miles of cables, nobody saw anything. Nobody questioned the bills for repairing all those holes to hide what they were doing? 

Ok, I got it.

They will never believe you. There are many of them as well. Some want to see conspiracy in everything.

All the workers in the offices were sworn to secrecy as well. Don't forget that.

[rocketray]

well there are several video's on youtube showing a lot of things and some a 1-2k society of Engineers that disagree with the story line--I was always amazed at Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 announcing that the Pentagon was missing $2,300,000.000      from an office on the front wall of the Pentagon that the very next day was hit by a very large airliner--that the Pentagon--the most watched building in the world has no photo's of nothing but a tail fin--hitting that exact office after being flown at a very low altitude by a rookie pilot-which some say was impossible-and hits that exact office and "vaporizes" with no jet engines/landing gear/dead bodies found...Hmmm..dig around and the office photo doesn't look anything except a rocket of some sort hitting  it--a relatively small  square hole--jet fuel burns at 600 degree's and it is 1,200 degree's to burn the girders..also several similarly constructed  building have not  collapsed after burning for 12 hours..Curiously I have the front pages of the Dallas Morning News claiming Osama is public enemy #1 some 3 months before 9/11....and 3 months later on day 2 after the "attack" -on the 2nd page it reads "shadowy unknown figure Osama Bin Laden  is suspect for attack"---if you are curious I ran across on You Tube..Ziet Giest--forward up a 1/4 way--I found it interesting--and yes my son just joined the Army--and an uncle-Kay Rollins was the highest ranking officer killed in Cherokee county Iowa that had some of the highest casualties in the U.S. w/some 1/3 killed in action--my dad joined the Air force at age 17 and was a tail gunner for a B-17 but never saw combat...my grandfather in Iowa had one book in the living room--Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee--my other grandfather in Branson had "All quiet on the Western Front" in his

[Rawie]

Another white guy attack today in Texas.