RE: Cowardice

[northernvalk]

There was a post on here a few minutes ago addressing the "un-equal" treatment of people who share different political views.  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point Let's try to keep an open mind and realize that our position is merely one position of many....ride safe a keep an open mind....

[Rams]

There was a post on here a few minutes ago addressing the "un-equal" treatment of people who share different political views.  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point Let's try to keep an open mind and realize that our position is merely one position of many....ride safe a keep an open mind....

Well, I didn't see it and don't have a clue as to what it was about.   But to accuse one of cowardice is a pretty condemning act.

If I know anything about Admin, Cowardice is not a trait ever shown.   
I don't always agree with Admin but, I have no doubt who owns this board and that the administration of this board is the continuation and success of it.

If I may suggest, whatever it was may have been deleted to avoid more strife on this board.   
I have full confidence cowardice was not the reason for the deletion.

[The emperor has no clothes]

There was a post on here a few minutes ago addressing the "un-equal" treatment of people who share different political views.  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point Let's try to keep an open mind and realize that our position is merely one position of many....ride safe a keep an open mind....

Well, I didn't see it and don't have a clue as to what it was about.   But to accuse one of cowardice is a pretty condemning act.

If I know anything about Admin, Cowardice is not a trait ever shown.   
I don't always agree with Admin but, I have no doubt who owns this board and that the administration of this board is the continuation and success of it.

If I may suggest, whatever it was may have been deleted to avoid more strife on this board.   
I have full confidence cowardice was not the reason for the deletion.

Yes, I agree. I didn't see it either. But I wouldn't classify any of the post removals as cowardice. Bias maybe, cowardice not a chance.

[northernvalk]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

[northernvalk]

That's why I wrote RE:Cowardice

[The emperor has no clothes]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

I see. I'm glad you clarified that. 

[Rams]

And that my friend is precisely how mis-communications happen.

You typed one thing, I read another.

Clear and concise communications are required in this age of internet communications.

Sorry if I misunderstood your intent.

[Willow]

Just for the information of those who want to know, since you have insisted upon pursuing the exchange, the two posts originally deleted were posts ridiculing the beliefs of Christianity.  The Rules of the Road clearly define attacking religious beliefs as personal attack.  I agree that it wasn't particularly aimed at a single individual but I have stated before that I interpret a disrespectful attack on a group to which several or more of our members belong will be treated as a personal attack.   

...  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point

To this I reply bullshit.  I have long practiced the removal of any posts that attack the moderation of this board or whine about a post being removed.  It always seems to take the form of an accusation that a post was removed because of what the poster said instead of how it was delivered.  Crybabies simply don't impress me and they're not good for the best welfare of the board.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just for the information of those who want to know, since you have insisted upon pursuing the exchange, the two posts originally deleted were posts ridiculing the beliefs of Christianity.  The Rules of the Road clearly define attacking religious beliefs as personal attack.  I agree that it wasn't particularly aimed at a single individual but I have stated before that I interpret a disrespectful attack on a group to which several or more of our members belong will be treated as a personal attack.   

...  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point

To this I reply bullshit.  I have long practiced the removal of any posts that attack the moderation of this board or whine about a post being removed.  It always seems to take the form of an accusation that a post was removed because of what the poster said instead of how it was delivered.  Crybabies simply don't impress me and they're not good for the best welfare of the board.

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

[Willow]

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

And you reported how many of these to the moderator?  You know then of members of our group that are muslims?

[The emperor has no clothes]

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

And you reported how many of these to the moderator?  You know then of members of our group that are muslims?

Are you saying it's ok if we don't have Islamic members ?

[Willow]

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

And you reported how many of these to the moderator?  You know then of members of our group that are muslims?

Are you saying it's ok if we don't have Islamic members ?

You didn't answer either of my questions so I choose not to answer yours.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

And you reported how many of these to the moderator?  You know then of members of our group that are muslims?

Are you saying it's ok if we don't have Islamic members ?

You didn't answer either of my questions so I choose not to answer yours.   

1) no, I've only used the report to moderator one time. That was in reference to derogatory terminology against gays. 2) I know of zero members who practice Islam.

[northernvalk]

Aren't the people who "report to moderator" just as much "crybabies" as the "crybabies" you are referring too? The only reason one is a "crybaby" and the other is a "normal member" is due to their side of the opinion?!?!?!
Meathead alluded to this in his post.

"Hypocrisy is the finely chiseled cornerstone of ignorance"  JRH

[Willow]

At the risk of escalating something that I don't really know what it was about. There have been many posts in the past of ridiculing Islam.

And you reported how many of these to the moderator?  You know then of members of our group that are muslims?

Are you saying it's ok if we don't have Islamic members ?

You didn't answer either of my questions so I choose not to answer yours.   

1) no, I've only used the report to moderator one time. That was in reference to derogatory terminology against gays. 2) I know of zero members who practice Islam.

If you take the time to read the Rules of the Road you would see it species what I referenced associated with personal attack not being tolerated.  It doesn't make all attacks upon outside groups ethically correct but they are not in violation of the Rules of the Road.

The second question was pointed at my previous qualification.

I have stated before that I interpret a disrespectful attack on a group to which several or more of our members belong will be treated as a personal attack.

   

[Chrisj CMA]

There was a post on here a few minutes ago addressing the "un-equal" treatment of people who share different political views.  The vary act of deleting his post exemplifies his point Let's try to keep an open mind and realize that our position is merely one position of many....ride safe a keep an open mind....

I wish you would take your own advise and go riding instead of searching for posts that you can use to stir up drama.  

I believe Willow that the post was bashing Christianity.  That's a little different from someone expressing different political views.

[Rams]

Oh well, in that case, I personally think all gays need to be sent to the front lines in an attempt to slow down the Muslim assault on America.   How ever they choose to do that.  

No one said all those virgins had to be female.  

There, that should be insulting enough to get the whole thread deleted.  

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.   

[Willow]

Aren't the people who "report to moderator" just as much "crybabies" as the "crybabies" you are referring too? The only reason one is a "crybaby" and the other is a "normal member" is due to their side of the opinion?!?!?!
Meathead alluded to this in his post.

"Hypocrisy is the finely chiseled cornerstone of ignorance"  JRH

No and no.  Report to the Moderator is a means of identifying a violation of the rules. "to".

I think your quote is an insulting and stupid statement.  Hypocrisy and ignorance are not related.  Hypocrisy requires the person really knows and yet acts against his stated position.  That's actually the opposite of ignorance, isn't it?  Hypocrisy is an accusation that is regularly and easily pointed to those with whom we disagree.  It's seldom accurate.

[Savago]

@northernvalk: The 'Rules of the road' are clear on this subject.

Get over it.

[MAD6Gun]

 I saw the post in question. It was from a member that is notorious for starting derogatory threads and name calling. He lives in one of the most beautiful states in the country but hardly ever posts ride reports. So if you are a member that constantly pushes the limit with administration you deserve to have you posts pulled. If you don't like it leave. We don't pay dues so we are not entitled to anything. Willow runs the show here.

[northernvalk]

Aren't the people who "report to moderator" just as much "crybabies" as the "crybabies" you are referring too? The only reason one is a "crybaby" and the other is a "normal member" is due to their side of the opinion?!?!?!
Meathead alluded to this in his post.

"Hypocrisy is the finely chiseled cornerstone of ignorance"  JRH

No and no.  Report to the Moderator is a means of identifying a violation of the rules. "to".

I think your quote is an insulting and stupid statement.  Hypocrisy and ignorance are not related.  Hypocrisy requires the person really knows and yet acts against his stated position.  That's actually the opposite of ignorance, isn't it?  Hypocrisy is an accusation that is regularly and easily pointed to those with whom we disagree.  It's seldom accurate.

" The Rules of the Road clearly define attacking religious beliefs as personal attack" to say this and then say that attacks against Islam don't count, without a mandatory questioner identifying everyone religion, is 100% hypocritical, even though I personally think Islam is a cult and shouldn't even get "religious" status...
Ignorance in that quote refers to the origin of the word and not the current use in most cases...ignorance, taken as the active ignoring of open or common knowledge, is almost the same as hypocrisy, without the overt action of personal contradiction.  Thereby making ignorance the shield of true hypocrites....   

[Willow]

... to say this and then say that attacks against Islam don't count, without a mandatory questioner identifying everyone religion, is 100% hypocritical, even though I personally think Islam is a cult and shouldn't even get "religious" status...

Wow!  Are you not capable of seeing the direct contradiction here?   

Just to help you out, if that's possible, the Rules are intended to prohibit personal attacks against another member of the board.  Thus I could, according to the rules, say that the ruler of North Korea is a imbecile and an asshole.  I could not, however, within the rules, post that I think all male Canadiens are a bit wimpy.  That would be a violation for sure. 

As I said to Mhead, I'm not judging whether or not it's right but I do need to judge whether or not it is within the Rules.

[Robert]

Telling the truth or facts about a religion such as Islam does not qualify as an attack. If you don't know what a religion is all about how can you say it was an attack.

If we see adherents of a religion killing people what could we say that would qualify as an attack on that religion.

 If the US was under attack by a foreign power we could take a bit of liberty in the description of that attacker. Well the US is under attack in fact we are at war with ISIS that has as its basis and belief in Islam. Their interpretation is the strictest of their religion and in fact one of the most accurate in following its mandates.

[Gryphon Rider]

I saw the post in question. It was from a member that is notorious for starting derogatory threads and name calling. He lives in one of the most beautiful states in the country but hardly ever posts ride reports. So if you are a member that constantly pushes the limit with administration you deserve to have you posts pulled. If you don't like it leave. We don't pay dues so we are not entitled to anything. Willow runs the show here.

"He lives in one of the most beautiful states in the country..."  From what I've seen, that only really eliminates North Dakota!  (Sorry, North Dakotans, many years of travelling back and forth from Calgary to Saskatchewan, where my parents are from, has ruined the appreciation of prairie beauty for me.)  

[Rams]

I saw the post in question. It was from a member that is notorious for starting derogatory threads and name calling. He lives in one of the most beautiful states in the country but hardly ever posts ride reports. 

Oh, well that wasn't hard to figure out.     

[northernvalk]

... to say this and then say that attacks against Islam don't count, without a mandatory questioner identifying everyone religion, is 100% hypocritical, even though I personally think Islam is a cult and shouldn't even get "religious" status...

Wow!  Are you not capable of seeing the direct contradiction here?  

Just to help you out, if that's possible, the Rules are intended to prohibit personal attacks against another member of the board.  Thus I could, according to the rules, say that the ruler of North Korea is a imbecile and an asshole.  I could not, however, within the rules, post that I think all male Canadiens are a bit wimpy.  That would be a violation for sure.  

As I said to Mhead, I'm not judging whether or not it's right but I do need to judge whether or not it is within the Rules.

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

[bagelboy]

Holy crap, this website is starting to really slip. Almost every thread I open involves controversies, bitching, arguing, and down right fighting. What a shame! For individuals that are supposed to enjoy an awesome, rare, and really cool motorcycle, it seems like they just come on here to stir the pot. I don't know Willow, never met the man, but it sounds like he knows the rules, why is that so hard to understand? Damn, I dont know how membership here is doing, but something tells me numbers are going to start dropping. What a shame, when I first got on here 5 or 6 years ago I was happy to converse with other Valkyrie owners, since they are so seldom seen. I hardly ever post because every thread involves fighting!

[Rams]

Holy crap, this website is starting to really slip. Almost every thread I open involves controversies, bitching, arguing, and down right fighting. What a shame! For individuals that are supposed to enjoy an awesome, rare, and really cool motorcycle, it seems like they just come on here to stir the pot. I don't know Willow, never met the man, but it sounds like he knows the rules, why is that so hard to understand? Damn, I dont know how membership here is doing, but something tells me numbers are going to start dropping. What a shame, when I first got on here 5 or 6 years ago I was happy to converse with other Valkyrie owners, since they are so seldom seen. I hardly ever post because every thread involves fighting!

I'm involved in two other forums, all three have the same issues.   Politics, racial and Muslim threads/discussions are rampant and doggedly devisive.       We're a country on the edge of __________________, you tell me. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

Aren't the people who "report to moderator" just as much "crybabies" as the "crybabies" you are referring too? The only reason one is a "crybaby" and the other is a "normal member" is due to their side of the opinion?!?!?!
Meathead alluded to this in his post.

"Hypocrisy is the finely chiseled cornerstone of ignorance"  JRH

Jeez, dude.  Let it go. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

... to say this and then say that attacks against Islam don't count, without a mandatory questioner identifying everyone religion, is 100% hypocritical, even though I personally think Islam is a cult and shouldn't even get "religious" status...

Wow!  Are you not capable of seeing the direct contradiction here?  

Just to help you out, if that's possible, the Rules are intended to prohibit personal attacks against another member of the board.  Thus I could, according to the rules, say that the ruler of North Korea is a imbecile and an asshole.  I could not, however, within the rules, post that I think all male Canadiens are a bit wimpy.  That would be a violation for sure.  

As I said to Mhead, I'm not judging whether or not it's right but I do need to judge whether or not it is within the Rules.

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

Also, when one is already in a hole, it's usually time to stop digging.
I think you must be a prodigy of the person that had their thread deleted.

[Willow]

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

I have stared at this post and read it over and over.  I can find no logic to refute or correct.   Oops, I pout my period in the wrong place.  I guess we're even.

BTW, I know there are no muslims on the board as I'm the one who approves registrations.  I have rejected every one that checked the muslim box.

This is going to come off as disrespect.  It is.  I will try not to make it an attack.  You've been registered for a dozen days and your ready to tell me how the board needs to be managed.  Perhaps a quick read of the Rules would give you some insight.  I don't disrespect all young people but I do have children much older than you are.  My advice would be for you to sit back and ride for awhile.  Gain some familiarity before you go into corrective mode.

I'm through with this pointless "discussion". 

[..]

I saw the post in question. It was from a member that is notorious for starting derogatory threads and name calling. He lives in one of the most beautiful states in the country but hardly ever posts ride reports. So if you are a member that constantly pushes the limit with administration you deserve to have you posts pulled. If you don't like it leave. We don't pay dues so we are not entitled to anything. Willow runs the show here.

 

[Psychotic Bovine]

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

I have stared at this post and read it over and over.  I can find no logic to refute or correct.   Oops, I pout my period in the wrong place.  I guess we're even.

BTW, I know there are no muslims on the board as I'm the one who approves registrations.  I have rejected every one that checked the muslim box.

This is going to come off as disrespect.  It is.  I will try not to make it an attack.  You've been registered for a dozen days and your ready to tell me how the board needs to be managed.  Perhaps a quick read of the Rules would give you some insight.  I don't disrespect all young people but I do have children much older than you are.  My advice would be for you to sit back and ride for awhile.  Gain some familiarity before you go into corrective mode.

I'm through with this pointless "discussion". 

12 days, eh?

[..]

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

I have stared at this post and read it over and over.  I can find no logic to refute or correct.   Oops, I pout my period in the wrong place.  I guess we're even.

BTW, I know there are no muslims on the board as I'm the one who approves registrations.  I have rejected every one that checked the muslim box.

This is going to come off as disrespect.  It is.  I will try not to make it an attack.  You've been registered for a dozen days and your ready to tell me how the board needs to be managed.  Perhaps a quick read of the Rules would give you some insight.  I don't disrespect all young people but I do have children much older than you are.  My advice would be for you to sit back and ride for awhile.  Gain some familiarity before you go into corrective mode.

I'm through with this pointless "discussion". 

12 days, eh?

Just like a new member to a company some can know all there is to know almost immediately.

[Gavin_Sons]

Willow, there is absolutely no contradiction because my personal opinions of Islam are not important to the basic premise. I even stated that in my comment . I can understand that MY opinion is just that. To say my opinion of something is to be taken as the end all and be all is ridiculous. Islam is considered to be a religion and there is no proof that there are no members who are Islamic so to apply a "rule" to only the religions you choose is hypocritical. Regardless of my opinion of Islam.

I have stared at this post and read it over and over.  I can find no logic to refute or correct.   Oops, I pout my period in the wrong place.  I guess we're even.

BTW, I know there are no muslims on the board as I'm the one who approves registrations.  I have rejected every one that checked the muslim box.

This is going to come off as disrespect.  It is.  I will try not to make it an attack.  You've been registered for a dozen days and your ready to tell me how the board needs to be managed.  Perhaps a quick read of the Rules would give you some insight.  I don't disrespect all young people but I do have children much older than you are.  My advice would be for you to sit back and ride for awhile.  Gain some familiarity before you go into corrective mode.

I'm through with this pointless "discussion". 

12 days, eh?

Just like a new member to a company some can know all there is to know almost immediately.

12 days    I remember my 12th day here, I think I had maybe 3 or 4 posts.

[¿spoom]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

Then it probably would have been a good idea to start out with Re: Cowardice Thread instead of one that could easily have been (and was) read as "regarding cowardice" where cowardice itself was the subject, and not a thread titled that way, especially since you knew the thread was deleted and therefore few people would have any way of knowing they shouldn't take your post heading verbatim.
Perhaps if sheet stirrers could be made to lick the spoon"?

[The emperor has no clothes]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

Then it probably would have been a good idea to start out with Re: Cowardice Thread instead of one that could easily have been (and was) read as "regarding cowardice" where cowardice itself was the subject, and not a thread titled that way, especially since you knew the thread was deleted and therefore few people would have any way of knowing they shouldn't take your post heading verbatim.
Perhaps if sheet stirrers could be made to lick the spoon"?

or spoom ? 

[Gavin_Sons]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

Then it probably would have been a good idea to start out with Re: Cowardice Thread instead of one that could easily have been (and was) read as "regarding cowardice" where cowardice itself was the subject, and not a thread titled that way, especially since you knew the thread was deleted and therefore few people would have any way of knowing they shouldn't take your post heading verbatim.
Perhaps if sheet stirrers could be made to lick the spoon"?

Is it just me or does it seem he has to try to prove he is smarter than everyone? Everyone I have known to challenge Willow on intellect has lost .

[¿spoom]

The post was called cowardice....not me calling anyone a coward.

Then it probably would have been a good idea to start out with Re: Cowardice Thread instead of one that could easily have been (and was) read as "regarding cowardice" where cowardice itself was the subject, and not a thread titled that way, especially since you knew the thread was deleted and therefore few people would have any way of knowing they shouldn't take your post heading verbatim.
Perhaps if sheet stirrers could be made to lick the spoon"?

Is it just me or does it seem he has to try to prove he is smarter than everyone? Everyone I have known to challenge Willow on intellect has lost .

If I answer, somebody may hand me my spoon 

[John Schmidt]

Gavin, it would appear so, but we've had a few of them show up on here from time to time. I echo Willow's comment about children older than the poster, so do I and I'll add I have grandchildren older than he. I'd suggest in the future to watch, read, and learn. Add constructive comments when moved to do so("constructive" being the operative word here), make a few posts re. rides, maybe with some pics. If you happen to do something that may be of technical interest, post it. Point being....let your contributions to the board be the deciding factor over time as opposed to coming in with bluster and criticism. You'll be tagged for what you are based on what you write.....and you'll be the one to lose out in the end.

In simple terms, don't get into a pissing contest on here. You'll run out of piss long before we do.