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[Novavalker]

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawa-looking-at-15-per-cent-ethanol-blend-in-gasoline

I'm sick of this climate change BS.

Does anyone run 15% ethanol  in your Valk?

[Gryphon Rider]

Don't these idiots realize that ethanol IS a hydrocarbon (C2H6O), and we would need to use MORE of it to get the same energy output (power) as gasoline?

[northernvalk]

She'll v power unless I know I will burn the whole tank in one run.  I always try to keep 2 Jerry cans on hand for all my carbed toys

[..]

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawa-looking-at-15-per-cent-ethanol-blend-in-gasoline

I'm sick of this climate change BS.

Does anyone run 15% ethanol  in your Valk?

The voters voted in those who made this happen.

Now it's up to the voting population to make a change.

Simple as that.

Of course if the voters are dumb as rocks or don't care nothing will change.

[t-man403]

Craig, I know this isn't available in certain areas but it is here and hopefully there!



Shell helps!

[cookiedough]

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawa-looking-at-15-per-cent-ethanol-blend-in-gasoline

I'm sick of this climate change BS.

Does anyone run 15% ethanol  in your Valk?

my guess is NO to your question.

why would anyone do that except if E85 capable vehicle?

I see more and more gas stations popping up offering for ONLY 5 cents less per gallon E15 vs. E10 gas.  I will put it in my E85 truck from time to time, the E15 stuff NEVER the E85 stuff so not worth it to ruin your engine components.

[northernvalk]

From what I've been told, most 91 octane fuel has no ethanol. But I know Shell doesn't, so I don't take a risk.

[Gavin_Sons]

take the ethanol out with water.  There is a ratio, i forget what it is but you have to have a drain at the bottom of the container because the water and ethanol will settle to the bottom then just let it out and keep the gas in. I'm going to try it this winter for my lawnmower.

[Pappy!]

From what I've been told, most 91 octane fuel has no ethanol. But I know Shell doesn't, so I don't take a risk.

Depends on where you are. Florida for example has 10% in all grades of gasoline....even Shell. You have to go search out non-ethanol down here.

[hubcapsc]

take the ethanol out with water.  There is a ratio, i forget what it is but you have to have a drain at the bottom of the container because the water and ethanol will settle to the bottom then just let it out and keep the gas in. I'm going to try it this winter for my lawnmower.

https://www.bellperformance.com/blog/ethanol-removal-additive

-Mike

[cookiedough]

From what I've been told, most 91 octane fuel has no ethanol. But I know Shell doesn't, so I don't take a risk.

pretty sure this is not entirely true since 1/2 the gas stations around me with 91 octane have up to 10% ethanol in them while the other 1/2 specifically state NO ETHANOL right at the pump lever.  Price also reflects the higher NON ETHANOL 91 octane as well at 40-60 cents more per gallon vs. E10 87 octane gas.

I see no real need during summer months to waste my money spending 50 cents or so more per gallon for 91 octane NON ethanol gas when E10 87 octane is just fine as long as run the cycle regularly like once every week or two.    ONLY thing I run 91 octane in cycle related is my 250cc scooter to get EVERY last hp I can out of it that 19.3 hp engine, plus it seems to recommend 91 octane gas from mfg. as most scooters do and runs better on it as well less engine knock, etc. and more pep as much pep as a 250cc engine can get anyways

[northernvalk]

From what I've been told, most 91 octane fuel has no ethanol. But I know Shell doesn't, so I don't take a risk.

pretty sure this is not entirely true since 1/2 the gas stations around me with 91 octane have up to 10% ethanol in them while the other 1/2 specifically state NO ETHANOL right at the pump lever.  Price also reflects the higher NON ETHANOL 91 octane as well at 40-60 cents more per gallon vs. E10 87 octane gas.

I see no real need during summer months to waste my money spending 50 cents or so more per gallon for 91 octane NON ethanol gas when E10 87 octane is just fine as long as run the cycle regularly like once every week or two.    ONLY thing I run 91 octane in cycle related is my 250cc scooter to get EVERY last hp I can out of it that 19.3 hp engine, plus it seems to recommend 91 octane gas from mfg. as most scooters do and runs better on it as well less engine knock, etc. and more pep as much pep as a 250cc engine can get anyways

In Canada

[cookiedough]

From what I've been told, most 91 octane fuel has no ethanol. But I know Shell doesn't, so I don't take a risk.

pretty sure this is not entirely true since 1/2 the gas stations around me with 91 octane have up to 10% ethanol in them while the other 1/2 specifically state NO ETHANOL right at the pump lever.  Price also reflects the higher NON ETHANOL 91 octane as well at 40-60 cents more per gallon vs. E10 87 octane gas.

I see no real need during summer months to waste my money spending 50 cents or so more per gallon for 91 octane NON ethanol gas when E10 87 octane is just fine as long as run the cycle regularly like once every week or two.    ONLY thing I run 91 octane in cycle related is my 250cc scooter to get EVERY last hp I can out of it that 19.3 hp engine, plus it seems to recommend 91 octane gas from mfg. as most scooters do and runs better on it as well less engine knock, etc. and more pep as much pep as a 250cc engine can get anyways

In Canada

oops, sorry did not see you were from Canada.  They do things tad bit different up there am sure...

[northernvalk]

In some cases....in this case I am glad...we all know the BS behind ethanol...What I don't understand is, why can't the corn farmers convert to different crops?!?! Soy? ANYTHING else? Why is your government, and mine for that matter, trying to keep a commodity alive when it can be switched so easily?

[Savago]

I personally hate the idea of paying for gas and receiving alcohol instead and we all know that this E-10/15 'gas' is poison for carburated bikes.

The politicians use this bullshit about being for 'saving the environment' but it is only because of corn farmers lobby. If it wasn't for environmental reasons, they would come up with another excuse.

The amount of energy/fuel used to produce ethanol from corn is a negative from an energetic aspect.

The only place and crop that this makes energetic sense is growing sugar-cane in the tropics, where it is a positive net balance (i.e. you can easily harvest over 180tons per hectare vs 5tons for corn if really well cared). A well cared sugar-cane plantation can yield over 230 tons per hectare.

Brazil is a huge ethanol producer (sugar-cane + tropical weather), I visited a few ethanol producing factories and know they can operate efficiently without government hand outs. In Brazil over 95% of the vehicles are flex fuel and can run on any combination of gas, gas/ethanol, ethanol, including motorcycles.

As a matter of fact, during the harvest season, ethanol can cost less than 1/2 the price of gas (which then starts to make sense).

Main issue is that corn farmers will lobby their way into getting government hand outs and selling shitty fuel to the people.

[Patrick]

Its been well proven this crap doesn't work like it was supposed to.  Corn belongs in the food supply, even if most of it is GMO'd.
When will we ever learn ? Hmm, where have I heard that before.

[art]

Where I'm living we do have nonethanol available but it cost more. I use it in power tools and my mc once in awhile. I even can get racing fuel for power tools an never worry about them getting fouled up. I like it for my generator since it must start up when needed.

[Jess from VA]

I believe all EPA and other US personnel who have forced corn polluted gas on us should be forced to drink it with their dinners.  I'm not sure it would turn their insides green like my carburetors.  But I am curious.

[MP]

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawa-looking-at-15-per-cent-ethanol-blend-in-gasoline

I'm sick of this climate change BS.

Does anyone run 15% ethanol  in your Valk?

my guess is NO to your question.

15% is not e85. E85 is 85%!

why would anyone do that except if E85 capable vehicle?

I see more and more gas stations popping up offering for ONLY 5 cents less per gallon E15 vs. E10 gas.  I will put it in my E85 truck from time to time, the E15 stuff NEVER the E85 stuff so not worth it to ruin your engine components.

[CajunRider]

The sad part is that they keep pushing this crap when it`s been proven, time and time again, that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than what you get out of it.

It literally does more harm to the planet than good to use this stuff.

[Alpha Dog]

I personally hate the idea of paying for gas and receiving alcohol instead and we all know that this E-10/15 'gas' is poison for carburated bikes.

The politicians use this bullshit about being for 'saving the environment' but it is only because of corn farmers lobby. If it wasn't for environmental reasons, they would come up with another excuse.

The amount of energy/fuel used to produce ethanol from corn is a negative from an energetic aspect.

The only place and crop that this makes energetic sense is growing sugar-cane in the tropics, where it is a positive net balance (i.e. you can easily harvest over 180tons per hectare vs 5tons for corn if really well cared). A well cared sugar-cane plantation can yield over 230 tons per hectare.

Brazil is a huge ethanol producer (sugar-cane + tropical weather), I visited a few ethanol producing factories and know they can operate efficiently without government hand outs. In Brazil over 95% of the vehicles are flex fuel and can run on any combination of gas, gas/ethanol, ethanol, including motorcycles.

As a matter of fact, during the harvest season, ethanol can cost less than 1/2 the price of gas (which then starts to make sense).

Main issue is that corn farmers will lobby their way into getting government hand outs and selling shitty fuel to the people.

If what you say is true and I have no reason to doubt ( heard about Brazil's success a couple years ago ) then the crop scientist need to get busy and develop a gmo sugar cane that can grow in our climate.  There are several Ethanol plants built with in 50 miles of me, closest  being Greenville, Oh ( The Anderson ) who's plums of sweet smelling exhaust can be seen from my house at times 10 miles away.