papers please comrade

[98valk]

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/9-states-will-soon-require-a-passport-for-domestic-flights

Starting January 22, 2018, travelers from nine states will need a passport for domestic flights.

Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Washington will require travelers to present a passport for traveling within the United States. A military ID or permanent resident card will also be accepted.

The change was made because of unmet federally mandated “security standards” in those states.

Travel and Leisure reports:

    On Thursday, the TSA began placing signage around airport security checkpoints to inform travelers of the new TSA rules going into effect in 2018.

    The IDs from these nine states do not meet the federal government’s minimum security standards. And, according to the REAL ID Act of 2005, federal agencies (like the TSA) are prohibited from “accepting for certain purposes driver’s licenses and identification cards from states not meeting the Act’s minimum standards.”

    In order for states to pass the government’s security standards, they must verify every ID applicant’s identity, put anti-counterfeit technology in the production of the card and conduct background checks on those who issue driver’s licenses.

    If the nine states currently on the list change their ID process, the government “may grant extensions or determine compliance for additional states as warranted,” the TSA said in a statement. “TSA will update signage if and when states that are currently listed receive extensions.”

Rather than update their standards to meet the TSA’s high expectations, nine states will simply require stricter means of identification.

Seventeen other states also do not meet federal requirements, but they’ve been granted extensions.

Updating security to comply with government rules has proven a difficult task, and many states must weigh citizens privacy against security throughout the arduous process.

[old2soon]

Last year I was informed-before I unloaded offin my M/C-that I could No longer go onto Fort Leonard Wood here in Missouri with my Missouri Drivers license cuz it-the Mo. drivers license-was NO longer acceptable as an I D. Don't fly that much anymore anywho. Have NOT checked lately to see what has transpired is transpiring on this I D issue. Funny part of that is-last couple of Inzanes I attended the folks at the Motels were good with my Missouri Drivers License as my ONLY form of Identification. Well that and my credit card!  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Papers please.

Wow man, I only have a pipe.   

[da prez]

Sumatter , don't I look like me.  

                                                    da prez

[Savago]

I didn't see California in the list of no-valid-ID States, so I guess I'm still good.
 

[Crackerborn]

They should add Colorado to the list since a passport is no good at DMV there as a form of identification. My daughter travels internationally regularly and was absolutely astounded by the Colorado DMV not accepting her passport as identification.

[Challenger]

IL. would not accept my passport to "renew"' my CDL in 2015, Had to have a certified birth certificate. 
They now will accept a passport, but you don't get the lic at that time, They mail it to you after the Home Land security check passes. I see the day when we have to carry a passport to cross state lines 

[G-Man]

How can the race baiters, I mean Democrats, go along with this?  Surely if it's too difficult to get simple identification for voting purposes, people of color can't possibly obtain a passport, right?  That would be restricting minority migration, wouldn't it? 

[art]

Said it before and will say it again. Someday you will have to show a passport to go from state to state.Big brother is watching.

[bassman]

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

[98valk]

How can the race baiters, I mean Democrats, go along with this?  Surely if it's too difficult to get simple identification for voting purposes, people of color can't possibly obtain a passport, right?  That would be restricting minority migration, wouldn't it? 

and foreigners who want to take over and kill us are freely let in by the liberals, but they want to track the American citizens.

[The emperor has no clothes]

These ID rules were an outcrop of the Homeland Security in the aftermath of 9/11. If memory serves, Bush was President. Hardly a liberal, hardly some liberal policy.

[Serk]

These ID rules were an outcrop of the Homeland Security in the aftermath of 9/11. If memory serves, Bush was President. Hardly a liberal, hardly some liberal policy.

Just because someone has an (R) after their name doesn't mean they're not a statist/liberal.
Bush was also the one who signed the bill banning regular light bulbs after all.

[Ramie]

These ID rules were an outcrop of the Homeland Security in the aftermath of 9/11. If memory serves, Bush was President. Hardly a liberal, hardly some liberal policy.

Meathead is correct.  All this came about because Politicians figured they better look like their doing something to protect us after 911.  TSA came out of that mess also along with Homeland Security, sold some of our freedom so people could feel safe.

[98valk]

These ID rules were an outcrop of the Homeland Security in the aftermath of 9/11. If memory serves, Bush was President. Hardly a liberal, hardly some liberal policy.

Meathead is correct.  All this came about because Politicians figured they better look like their doing something to protect us after 911.  TSA came out of that mess also along with Homeland Security, sold some of our freedom so people could feel safe.

actually it was started by clinton after the oklahoma bombing. it was enhanced by the democrat controlled senate and congress under bush jr. bush is a UN new world order guy like his cia father before him. just like gore is and in bed with the russians and oil like his kgb father was.

[Gryphon]

Last year I was informed-before I unloaded offin my M/C-that I could No longer go onto Fort Leonard Wood here in Missouri with my Missouri Drivers license cuz it-the Mo. drivers license-was NO longer acceptable as an I D. Don't fly that much anymore anywho. Have NOT checked lately to see what has transpired is transpiring on this I D issue. Funny part of that is-last couple of Inzanes I attended the folks at the Motels were good with my Missouri Drivers License as my ONLY form of Identification. Well that and my credit card!  RIDE SAFE.

Actually, Missouri changed their driver's license this year and it is now in compliance. O2S, when you renew next time you will be able to fly again.  Or so I was told by TSA last week when I asked about whether my new license was good or not.

[Gryphon Rider]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.  This is about making it harder for terrorists to get on a plane, a military base, etc.  If your state's ID card is relatively easy to counterfeit, it shouldn't be accepted to get into a secure area.  I find this far more acceptable than naked body scans or intimate pat-downs of randomly selected people (including children & seniors), regardless of how they don't remotely fit the profile of a terrorist.

[old2soon]

Last year I was informed-before I unloaded offin my M/C-that I could No longer go onto Fort Leonard Wood here in Missouri with my Missouri Drivers license cuz it-the Mo. drivers license-was NO longer acceptable as an I D. Don't fly that much anymore anywho. Have NOT checked lately to see what has transpired is transpiring on this I D issue. Funny part of that is-last couple of Inzanes I attended the folks at the Motels were good with my Missouri Drivers License as my ONLY form of Identification. Well that and my credit card!  RIDE SAFE.

Actually, Missouri changed their driver's license this year and it is now in compliance. O2S, when you renew next time you will be able to fly again.  Or so I was told by TSA last week when I asked about whether my new license was good or not.

                    Mucho garcias on the heads up on our Missouri license issue. As I stated earlier-dasn't fly very much so not really an issue. My current license is good til 2/21. I'll have to git down to the DMV office and see How much of my loot they gonna want ta change the cursed thing. Like most states Missouri ain't gonna do somethin fer free!  RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

... Like most states Missouri ain't gonna do somethin fer free!  RIDE SAFE.

Dennis, nothing is done for free, anywhere or in any state (or business).  Someone pays for what costs.  If it's for me either I will pay for it or someone else will pay it for me.  I'd really rather carry my own weight.

I agree with the rider of the gryphon.  Requiring me to properly identify myself to get aboard an interstate aircraft is in no way a limitation of my freedom.  Setting unreasonable speed limits on public roadways is, but that's another subject for a different discussion.  I am in favor of identifying threats before they board aircraft in whatever way works.

Where on earth did we get the idea that boarding a commercial aircraft with minimal identification falls under the heading of rights and freedoms?  

[Jess from VA]

I was surprised to see my VA license is only provisionally accepted on an extension by the Fed.

You may recall, most of the 9-11 murderers had VA driver's licenses.  And Virginia was the first state to try to increase the security of its driver's licenses after the Sept. 11 attack.  They also had concerns about protecting residents' privacy. The State driver's license was redesigned in 2009 to add about two dozen security features, but those enhancements didn't meet all the federal requirements.  I have one of these new ones, but got it on renewal through the mail without having to appear at DMV with a bag of proof.  

I think the VA license is secure enough in it's complex design, but maybe VA didn't require residents to bring in enough proof of who they really are (you know, like a piece of your deceased dad's DNA).

One report by a coalition of state groups said it would cost $11 billion to implement the technology required by the Real ID Act, and would require potentially double fees and wait times for the more than 210 million Americans whose licenses would have to be reissued.

I've about quit flying commercial.  I am not afraid of flying, but I am unhappy with TSA, long waits, perpetual delays, and airline seats in coach made for Barbie dolls.  Flying into DC, you are not allowed out of your seat about an hour out in any direction, so if you have to piss, you do it in your pants.  I'm all for good security, but the whole airline experience can just KMA.    

[scooperhsd]

I was surprised to see my VA license is only provisionally accepted on an extension by the Fed.

You may recall, most of the 9-11 murderers had VA driver's licenses.  And Virginia was the first state to try to increase the security of its driver's licenses after the Sept. 11 attack.  They also had concerns about protecting residents' privacy. The State driver's license was redesigned in 2009 to add about two dozen security features, but those enhancements didn't meet all the federal requirements.  I have one of these new ones, but got it on renewal through the mail without having to appear at DMV with a bag of proof.  

I think the VA license is secure enough in it's complex design, but maybe VA didn't require residents to bring in enough proof of who they really are (you know, like a piece of your deceased dad's DNA).

One report by a coalition of state groups said it would cost $11 billion to implement the technology required by the Real ID Act, and would require potentially double fees and wait times for the more than 210 million Americans whose licenses would have to be reissued.

I've about quit flying commercial.  I am not afraid of flying, but I am unhappy with TSA, long waits, perpetual delays, and airline seats in coach made for Barbie dolls.  Flying into DC, you are not allowed out of your seat about an hour out in any direction, so if you have to piss, you do it in your pants.  I'm all for good security, but the whole airline experience can just KMA.    

That pretty much sums up my feelings about commercial flying anymore. Not flying anymore unless that is the only way to get there, or  in a reasonable time (or within the deadline).

"RealID' requires a couple different specific forms of ID when you are getting it. I checked when I got a duplicate of my driver's license, but decided that I can wait until it's renewal time next year.

[Jess from VA]

I was happy to renew my carry permit the other day (VA) (the benefits of this in purchasing firearms and ammo, and instantly proving a clean record exceeds the benefits (to me) of an enhanced driver's license).  

The whole package was returned to me a while back because I failed to answer the question about scars and tattoos.  I don't have any tattoos, and my one big scar was a hernia at age four, which has about entirely disappeared sixty years later.  You have to look very carefully, too carefully.  

I answered none, because I don't fancy some G official down the road deciding I have to drop my pants to prove who I am. (if I'm dead my dental records will do)

What do you have in your wallet pants?

PS: I have a longstanding personal rule about all photo ID.  If you don't look like a dangerous felon in your official photo, you got a bad picture.  Smile, my ass.     

[vanagon40]

Just because a person has a license from a state other than the nine listed, doesn't mean he is good to go come 2020. For example, in Indiana, a person can still obtain a driver's license that is NOT a REAL ID-compliant license. My wife's license expires in 2021, but it is not a REAL ID-compliant license. Just because the state is compliant with the act, does not mean the ID issued is a REAL ID. Unless the DMV issued the license after requiring additional proof of identity, legal status in the US, Social Security Number and Residency (and not just the old license), the ID is not a "REAL ID."

PS: In response to Jess

PS: I have a longstanding personal rule about all photo ID.  If you don't look like a dangerous felon in your official photo, you got a bad picture.  Smile, my ass.     

I started wearing a coat and tie for my license photo. I think it makes a better impression on the officer who stops me for speeding. I figure he is more likely to give a ticket to the person who looks like a felon.

[Gryphon Rider]

I started wearing a coat and tie for my license photo. I think it makes a better impression on the officer who stops me for speeding. I figure he is more likely to give a ticket to the person who looks like a felon.

I think most cops will be wise to you.

[vanagon40]

. . . I think most cops will be wise to you.

Nah, more like this

[¿spoom]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.  This is about making it harder for terrorists to get on a plane, a military base, etc.  If your state's ID card is relatively easy to counterfeit, it shouldn't be accepted to get into a secure area.  I find this far more acceptable than naked body scans or intimate pat-downs of randomly selected people (including children & seniors), regardless of how they don't remotely fit the profile of a terrorist.

BINGO!  Anyone who's form of State ID is nonconforming should blame those powers in their State that refused for political reasons to comply with ID requirements. They all (50 States) knew what the rules were and that they'd be hurting some of their fellow citizens if they ignored them. I guess something "disenfranchised" them against their own people.

[MP]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.  This is about making it harder for terrorists to get on a plane, a military base, etc.  If your state's ID card is relatively easy to counterfeit, it shouldn't be accepted to get into a secure area.  I find this far more acceptable than naked body scans or intimate pat-downs of randomly selected people (including children & seniors), regardless of how they don't remotely fit the profile of a terrorist.

Actually, it is not about counterfeiting. We already have holograms, etc. They demand you provide more proof about who you are when you get the new card.

I have heard of passport being not enough, but not sure if that is true.

[scooperhsd]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.  This is about making it harder for terrorists to get on a plane, a military base, etc.  If your state's ID card is relatively easy to counterfeit, it shouldn't be accepted to get into a secure area.  I find this far more acceptable than naked body scans or intimate pat-downs of randomly selected people (including children & seniors), regardless of how they don't remotely fit the profile of a terrorist.

Actually, it is not about counterfeiting. We already have holograms, etc. They demand you provide more proof about who you are when you get the new card.

I have heard of passport being not enough, but not sure if that is true.

Check on your state's DMV / driver's license office website for required / acceptable forms of ID. I know NC lists them.

[phideux]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.  This is about making it harder for terrorists to get on a plane, a military base, etc.  If your state's ID card is relatively easy to counterfeit, it shouldn't be accepted to get into a secure area.  I find this far more acceptable than naked body scans or intimate pat-downs of randomly selected people (including children & seniors), regardless of how they don't remotely fit the profile of a terrorist.

I don't believe that, there are several states that aren't on the list that will give out State IDs and Drivers licenses to illegal aliens.