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Patrick
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« on: November 21, 2017, 12:19:22 PM »

https://personalliberty.com/real-reason-ethanol-gas/




I've been seeing quite a bit of the E85 crap here in Florida. People are buying because its so cheap.
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Tony C.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 12:42:23 PM »

I completely agree. It's essentially the equivalent of Welfare for corn farmers and agri-business companies.

The controversy over MTBE, the oxygenate that was used prior to ethanol, helped seal the deal for a switch to ethanol. MTBE is banned for use in some states, including mine. Thus we're left with ethanol currently being the alternative for an oxygenate. Thankfully I've haven't seen gasoline with an ethanol content greater than 10% for sale in my state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE_controversy
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Pappy!
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 05:32:26 PM »

But....there is no reason to be "left with ethanol". Don't ever believe what is being shoved down your throat by Government! Congress is in bed with the growers.
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cookiedough
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 09:45:12 PM »

let us all not worry,  President Trump will get rid of over e10 gas for all and end this e85 B.S. once and for all.

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Ramie
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 05:38:32 AM »

I completely agree. It's essentially the equivalent of Welfare for corn farmers and agri-business companies.

The controversy over MTBE, the oxygenate that was used prior to ethanol, helped seal the deal for a switch to ethanol. MTBE is banned for use in some states, including mine. Thus we're left with ethanol currently being the alternative for an oxygenate. Thankfully I've haven't seen gasoline with an ethanol content greater than 10% for sale in my state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE_controversy
The biggest winners are all the politicians that invested in the plants that turn the corn into ethanol. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 08:29:27 AM »

all a scam to make billions for elitists. follow the money.

http://www.farmindustrynews.com/ethanol/5-largest-ethanol-producers


http://www.governorsbiofuelscoalition.org/big-oil-companies-reap-windfall-from-ethanol-rules/

Environmental regulations designed to boost the amount of ethanol blended into the U.S. gasoline supply have inadvertently become a multibillion-dollar windfall for some of the world’s biggest oil companies.

Companies including  Chevron Corp., Royal Dutch Shell PLC, and BP PLC could reap a total of more than $1 billion this year by selling the renewable fuel credits associated with the ethanol program, according to an analysis commissioned by CVR Energy, a refinery operator controlled by billionaire Carl Icahn, a vocal critic of the rules.

For other companies, especially smaller refiners, the rules have had the opposite effect, forcing them to spend hundreds of millions to buy credits to comply.

Some large oil companies acknowledge they are reaping revenue from the regulations, but say their advantage stems from large investments they made to comply with it, and stress that not all of the money translates into profit.

“Because a few other companies made different business decisions and are now living with the consequences is not a reason to suddenly change the rules,” said  Geoff Morrell, a senior vice president for BP.

Spokesmen for Chevron and Shell said they couldn’t immediately comment. A spokesman for Citgo, the U.S. arm of state-owned Petróleos de Venezuela SA, disputed it was profiting from the credits as the analysis claims, saying that it buys more than it sells annually to comply with its obligations.

The ethanol and biodiesel program, created during President George W. Bush’s administration, was aimed in part at reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil. But those concerns have waned as a result of the abundant new U.S. oil and gas supplies unlocked by shale drilling. The rules require refiners to either blend ethanol with the gasoline they produce or buy credits.

Valero Energy Corp. disclosed when it reported third-quarter earnings Tuesday that it incurred $198 million in costs to meet biofuel blending rules during the period. It has said it will have to shell out as much as $850 million this year for the credits. PBF Energy Inc. has estimated costs will reach $300 million.

The top 10 U.S. refiners spent $1.1 billion on biofuel credits in the first half of this year, according to Moody’s Investors Service. Some refiners have warned they could be forced to conduct mass layoffs, or file for bankuptcy, because of the soaring costs of compliance.

“The consumer is paying more and it’s ending up in the pockets of retailers, major oil companies or speculators,” said George Damiris, the chief executive of HollyFrontier Corp., a Midwestern refiner. “Over time, if this goes uncorrected, people will basically be put out of business.”
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 06:19:10 PM »

Knowing several growers personally and their situations I can tell you that the growers don't reap much for benefits. Yes it does help the market some but overall not enough. They can often make better profit off CRP, which is basically paying farmers not to produce crops.
Anything that is regulated through our government agencies benefits only a few and the majority are lead to believe it is someone else who profits. It is all smoke and mirrors leaving the general populous to be fooled into thinking they get more for their money.
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