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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 10:09:23 AM » |
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We go to bee rescues in the Fire dept. that are like that, "Killer Bees". You have to have good quality bee suits or you will get hurt. Have to duct tape wrists, ankles, zippers at the neck or the bees will find a way in. When its killer bees they will attack anything animals, people walking 300 feet away etc. When we would finish, the firefighters would be covered with bees and we had to put them in the back of a pickup and drive away to get the bees off of them. Any bees that have built a home (honey comb) they will defend it, once they attack you cannot get away, you have to get in a car or house, running wont work. Bee careful!
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 10:12:06 AM » |
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It is amazing that they were able to get the ENTIRE world's population of yellow jackets in that shed.
I would have just burned it down with 10 gal. of gas
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 10:13:54 AM » |
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Maybe I missed it. Was there any honey comb in that mess? Were those bees or wasps? As a former bee keeper hobbiest who has had mad bees find their way into my bee suit and hat I wouldn't have gone in there with a space suit on.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 11:31:51 AM » |
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Maybe I missed it. Was there any honey comb in that mess? Were those bees or wasps? As a former bee keeper hobbiest who has had mad bees find their way into my bee suit and hat I wouldn't have gone in there with a space suit on.
Hornets/wasps NO honey comb. And that nest did NOT happen overnight. That shed has/had been neglected for a day or two. Long time ago I used to haul chicken feed in East Texas. This particular farm had the old square bins. Put the boom up and kind of rested the boom on the bin with the spout in the hatch I opened. Three augers involved on a feed truck-boom auger vertical auger and the bottom auger. As you may imagine a LOT of Vibration when it's all running. Now mind you it was a nice sunshiny warm day in East Texas. Suddenly the back of the bin nearest the chicken house went black. Made it to the cab of the truck and shut the truck down. Took about 45 minutes for those cursed wasps to settle down. Got out of the cab very carefully and had a look see at what I was up against. The whole backside of that square feed bin was totally covered with the biggest wasps nest I've ever seen. Got on the radio and a company rep came out and informed the farmer he was to clean the bin before we would deliver anymore feed. They ended up emptying that house of chickens but I was able to feed the other 3 houses. That little dealy scared the snot outa me. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2017, 12:02:32 PM » |
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2017, 12:10:26 PM » |
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Always exterminate at night, when they are all home and sleeping. You still gear up, and have a planned safe retreat.
Yellow jackets are all jihadists of the worst kind, and when they attack, if your hearing was good enough, you could hear them screaming..... banzaiiiiii MF.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2017, 01:53:05 PM » |
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Always exterminate at night, when they are all home and sleeping. You still gear up, and have a planned safe retreat.
Yellow jackets are all jihadists of the worst kind, and when they attack, if your hearing was good enough, you could hear them screaming..... banzaiiiiii MF.
jihadists OR kamikazes? Curious minds and likea dat!  I know I know-both usually on a one way mission.  RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 02:16:55 PM » |
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I have tangled with ground bees to many times. The last was where I tied our pontoon boat. I never saw them. I got stung and knocked back in the water. When I came to my senses , I used a trick I have used before. Cleaned out my shop vacuum , put on the long hoses and formed them into a corkscrew. Put on the long suction wands and blocked it in place at the opening. I turned on the vac and let it run for about an hour or so. The inbound or outbound were relocated in the vacuum. I shut it off and put a gloved hand over the suction hole after pulling the hose. Walked it out into the lake and dumped them in. If they moved , the bluegills got them first. It soon looked like a movie piranha attack. The bees were quickly eaten. That night a raccoon (?) dug up and ate the nest.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 04:28:40 PM » |
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I would have waited for midnight and set the whole shed on fire after dousing it with 5 gallons of gasoline.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2017, 05:13:01 PM » |
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somewhere there is a picture of a honey bee, bumble bee and a yellow jacket, it is labeled this is a honey bee, this is a bumble bee and this is an asshole
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 06:11:14 PM » |
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Those damm things give me the willies. When I was 11 or 12 years old. used to do a lot of plowing on the farm in N Missouri. I was plowing a field with a farmall tractor and dug up a nest of those big yellow, red and black ground hornets. those are about 2 1/2 inches long and getting stung is like getting hit with a baseball bat. The tractor and I parted company, it went one way and I went the other, thought dad was going to kill me as the tractor made it about a 1/4 mile across the field and went in a pond. those things were bad news.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2017, 06:50:37 PM » |
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Those damm things give me the willies. When I was 11 or 12 years old. used to do a lot of plowing on the farm in N Missouri. I was plowing a field with a farmall tractor and dug up a nest of those big yellow, red and black ground hornets. those are about 2 1/2 inches long and getting stung is like getting hit with a baseball bat. The tractor and I parted company, it went one way and I went the other, thought dad was going to kill me as the tractor made it about a 1/4 mile across the field and went in a pond. those things were bad news.
Now those bastids are something else. Sitting at an outdoor cafe in middle southern France around a table with umbrella in the summer heat. Friend Guy says to us the only thing you need to worry about here is a hornet. If one comes near you just sit still and it will go away. Exactly as he finished his profundity a hornet dive bombed the table. Guy moved through space and time so quickly the hornet chased him down the street whilst we sat and laughed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_hornet
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2017, 04:07:41 AM » |
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They didn't seem to bother that fella at all. I like Honey Bees, but, have no use for Hornets/ Wasps of any kind. I hate them about as much as I do Crows and Coyotes. I suppose they have some niche in nature, but, I don't know what it is.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2017, 04:09:38 AM » |
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"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 04:36:59 AM » |
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"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
sounds like an echo {check link I posted} dan
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 05:07:53 AM » |
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They didn't seem to bother that fella at all. I like Honey Bees, but, have no use for Hornets/ Wasps of any kind. I hate them about as much as I do Crows and Coyotes. I suppose they have some niche in nature, but, I don't know what it is.
They sure were pissed off attacking everything around em and hitting the camera.  I've never been able to figure out what good Hornets/Wasps do? Like Jess stated, whenever I come across a nest, I wait till dark and nuke em with spray killer. I believe the guy in the suit was cleaning them up for entertainment purposes. Honey Bees usually will only attack if you mess with them, one sting and they die. Hornets and Wasps can sting multiple times. Each Bee hive has a different temperament, my first hive, I could sit right next too and watch em come and go. My second didn't like that and considered me a threat when next to the hive. Don't try it with Hornets/Wasps.
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 07:08:09 AM » |
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They didn't seem to bother that fella at all. I like Honey Bees, but, have no use for Hornets/ Wasps of any kind. I hate them about as much as I do Crows and Coyotes. I suppose they have some niche in nature, but, I don't know what it is.
Reminded me of this: 
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 07:22:51 AM » |
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They didn't seem to bother that fella at all. I like Honey Bees, but, have no use for Hornets/ Wasps of any kind. I hate them about as much as I do Crows and Coyotes. I suppose they have some niche in nature, but, I don't know what it is.
They sure were pissed off attacking everything around em and hitting the camera.  I've never been able to figure out what good Hornets/Wasps do? Like Jess stated, whenever I come across a nest, I wait till dark and nuke em with spray killer. I believe the guy in the suit was cleaning them up for entertainment purposes. Honey Bees usually will only attack if you mess with them, one sting and they die. Hornets and Wasps can sting multiple times. Each Bee hive has a different temperament, my first hive, I could sit right next too and watch em come and go. My second didn't like that and considered me a threat when next to the hive. Don't try it with Hornets/Wasps. I never bothered to get a 'suit' for Honey Bees. Didn't get stung too often. I've always been surprised at how fast Hornets or Wasps can build a nest. White/Bald Face are nasty little #@^@*@%$s ! Feels like getting shot when they get you. I kinda enjoy burning them out after dark. Its surprising how big some of the ground nests can be, and, in such short time. After a good freeze I'll bring the Hornets nests in and hang them around the in house.
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2017, 10:03:21 AM » |
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They are a problem here. Constantly building nests in anything with a hole in it. Makes the bike barn a bad place to store stuff. This summer they had put a nest inside the power panel which had a hole in it. Also behind the flip-down cover. Went to open it and got attacked, stung by several. Remarkable, they just touch you and you are stung. They seem to lead with their "ovipositor" (stinger) which contains venom. I was worried I haven't been stung in a long time; could have developed an allergy to their venom and didn't know where we keep our epinephrine injector. The sting sites swelled up more than I expected but subsided w/o further issue. I attempted to wipe them out with Raid and got stung again. Then I waited until after dark and killed them all. This is from wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornet#StingsHornets have stings used to kill prey and defend hives. Hornet stings are more painful to humans than typical wasp stings because hornet venom contains a large amount (5%) of acetylcholine.[5][6] Individual hornets can sting repeatedly; unlike honey bees, hornets and wasps do not die after stinging because their stingers are not barbed and are not pulled out of their bodies.
The toxicity of hornet stings varies according to hornet species; some deliver just a typical insect sting, while others are among the most venomous known insects.[7] Single hornet stings are not in themselves fatal, except sometimes to allergic victims.[7] Multiple stings by non-European hornets may be fatal because of highly toxic species-specific components of their venom.[8]
The stings of the Asian giant hornet (Vespa mandarinia) are among the most venomous known,[7] and are thought to cause 30–50 human deaths annually in Japan. Between July and September 2013, hornet stings caused the death of 42 people in China.[9] Asian giant hornet's venom can cause allergic reactions and multiple organ failure leading to death, though dialysis can be used to remove the toxins from the bloodstream.[9]
People who are allergic to wasp venom are also allergic to hornet stings. Allergic reactions are commonly treated with epinephrine (adrenaline) injection using a device such as an epinephrine autoinjector, with prompt follow-up treatment in a hospital. In severe cases, allergic individuals may go into anaphylactic shock and die unless treated promptly.[10]
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2017, 06:33:52 AM » |
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I've watched slow motion video showing how these critters sting. They can spin/twist around and nail you with their stinger without having to land on you. Sneaky critters.
At times I've had a reaction to the stings in which I continued to either walk fast or keep moving thru the reaction. It may not be a bad reaction since I'm still here, just stiffening, joint pain and swelling for a number of hours. Most times its just a normal reaction to a sting.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2017, 07:13:36 AM » |
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Anyone know where this occurred? Definitely a location I would prefer to avoid. The question was asked earlier in this thread but not answered that I saw. Everything in nature has a role to play, anyone know what hornets and yellow jackets' role is? Besides being a pest. Does some other species hunt or eat them? Just curious. Was out bush hogging once and ran over a ground nest of something. Was everything I could do to get away. The tractor was hydrostatic drive so, when I hopped off, it stopped but sat there running till it ran out of fuel. Went back after dark with a flash light, a can of ether and a lighter. Burnt that nest out.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2017, 07:24:42 AM » |
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I was stung by about everything growing up, no allergy, no anaphalactic shock (or need for epi-pen). When I got hit by yellow jackets the last few years (60's) (3-4 bites at a time), I still had no airway system malfunction, but the pain and swelling and duration of symptoms was much worse than ever before in my youth. My arm swelled up like a sprained ankle and I lost range of elbow motion, and it got worse for several days running. Almost made me go to a Dr (which has to be pretty bad for me). I did start eating and rubbing on topical Benadryl (which also makes you woozy). I suppose it has to do with a declining autoimmune system as we age. So (in our advancing years), be careful with the little bastards. Running across them in wandering singles is generally no big deal, but if you walk up on a new ground nest with your gas blower going full blast be prepared for an all-hands-on-deck attack, and the fastest sprint you have done since HS track meets. I now actively hunt them every spring when they are searching for new nesting sites. This year, they were attempting to move into the ridge vent on my house. Die commie bastids'. It's a trick, there's more than three in there.  Wait till midnight. Add a quart of gas. Add a flame. Put rock on hole. Run for the house anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2017, 02:33:08 PM » |
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Was curious enough to google Predators of Wasps and discovered there is an answer for those who wish to rid their property of Yellow Jackets. As it turns out, Bears, Skunks, Weasels and a few other animals like to dig them out and eat the insects. So, there's you're answer, get a pet bear or skunk and let them do their natural thing. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2017, 08:24:39 AM » |
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somewhere there is a picture of a honey bee, bumble bee and a yellow jacket, it is labeled this is a honey bee, this is a bumble bee and this is an asshole

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2017, 08:34:17 AM » |
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somewhere there is a picture of a honey bee, bumble bee and a yellow jacket, it is labeled this is a honey bee, this is a bumble bee and this is an asshole
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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2017, 07:54:55 AM » |
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I agree with Jess about age and getting stung. I have been stung by wasps, honey bees, and yellow jackets more times than I care to remember in my younger days. I worked in the woods one summer in Montana, got stung 3-10 times a day by yellow jackets. No problem, kind of like getting a needle stuck in the arm. No swelling, and would forget about it in a few minutes. Few years ago got in a mess of those pesky yellow guys, got stung a couple times, area around the stings swelled up and hurt for a couple days. Don't know if its getting older the problem or if my immune system has changed because of being stung so many times.
I would like to know where those hornets went after the guy tore up their nest??
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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2017, 10:58:42 AM » |
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Wait till midnight. Add a quart of gas. Add a flame. Put rock on hole. Run for the house anyway.Put a little honey around their hole to help get them noticed by the local raccoons or skunks or whatever you have living in the woods near by... they think yellow jackets taste like chicken... KNOW YOUR BEES... reminds me of this comic I never finished...  -Mike
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