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Hooter
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« on: November 24, 2017, 12:55:13 PM »

A buddy of mine called me this morning and said he read J&P had filed for bankruptcy,  chapter 11 or something along those lines? Anyone else see any information on this?
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 01:18:59 PM »

https://www.ibj.com/articles/66334-ldi-to-lose-ownership-of-motorsports-firm-thats-filed-for-bankruptcy

Looks like it's true.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 02:10:49 PM »

http://www.journal-eureka.com/news/article_eb6a9022-ce30-11e7-895b-df6f73e5c64b.html
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 02:12:54 PM »

Another victim of Amazon...
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 02:36:18 PM »

Another victim of Amazon...

more the reduce purchasing of all motorcycles, sales new and used and prices are down across the board esp the HDs.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 02:39:14 PM »


They're not shutting down...

http://www.journal-eureka.com/news/article_eb6a9022-ce30-11e7-895b-df6f73e5c64b.html

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 02:41:34 PM »

Another victim of Amazon...

more the reduce purchasing of all motorcycles, sales new and used and prices are down across the board esp the HDs.

That too, but even for the purchases I still make, whereas I previously would have gone through a J&P Cycles or Dennis Kirk or the like, with Prime I'll start my search at Amazon, and only go to those other places if I can't find what I'm after at a decent price through Amazon first...
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 03:20:22 PM »

I used to have a process when I bought stuff..support the VRCC when able but I will now ALWAYS give my local dealer the chance to earn my business. I am getting a set of Michelin Pilot Road 4's for the KTM and they beat Jake Wilse by about a dollar after adjusting the prices to comply with tax...Jake Wilson $377 with no tax and free shipping...WeRidePowersports $375.57 w/tax and free shipping...was very surprised but happy too
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2017, 03:22:32 PM »

And a couple of days before the Chapter 11 announcement, there was another announcement that Motorcycle-SuperStore was being taken over by J&P
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2017, 09:06:27 PM »

sounds like they will be fine just some debt restructuring lowering it as a means to maintain their business. 

I too have often gone amazon.prime like so many others vs. the mom/pop stores locally and hate to say it, but unless the smaller stores can come very close in pricing,  the money will stay in my pocket.

I foresee amazon.prime some day soon even putting walmart out of business.  Just wait and see shopping online is so much easier and cost effective with free shipping to your doorstep.

black friday shopping was SO EASY the past few years going online with all deals that do not say IN STORE ONLY which nowadays are few and far between.   
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2017, 06:38:27 AM »

J&P will be fine, though John Parham is probably turning in his grave. Only those who supplied J&P are liable to get hurt. Except possibly for Amazon & eBay teaming up with Chinese mfrs. to sell direct to US customers without any cut here, they really didn't cause this. There's a company called Motorcycle Accessories Group (MAG) that those of us in the industry have been watching eat up one small, successful private company in a row and roll it into their big, inept holding company. First big ones I recall them buying were one of the big exhaust companies and Performance Machine Inc. It was a combination of J&P and Motorcycle Superstore that combined to try and become a giant that could rival the Janesville boys. Didn't turn out too well. They're around $300M in debt and are restructuring it, i.e. finding a way to not pay all their creditors 100%. I've got the letter around here somewhere, I'll paste it in here when I find it.

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MAG's explanation-
The Motorcycle Aftermarket Group (MAG) is not a name that motorcycle enthusiasts are usually familiar with, but the family of brands that the company owns certainly is: Performance Machine wheels, Roland Sands Design, Renthal handlebars, Vance & Hines exhausts, Tucker Rocky, J&P Cycles, etc.
The network of brands has been struggling over the recent years though, and today we learn that many of them will be filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, while the overarching MAG Group business restructures its debt and finds new ownership.
While this is not the sexiest news story to happen in the motorcycle industry this year, it is certainly one of the most important and complicated. As such, we will try to break it down in a digestible way for you.
Debt and the New Owners of MAG
The first thing to understand is that MAG itself as company has acquired a massive amount of debt, and through the process that we are about to explain, MAG hopes to eliminate close to $300 million of debt off its books.
The primary method for MAG to clear its debt is what is called a debt-for-equity swap. This basically means that the lenders that MAG owes money to will take an equity position in MAG. This means they are getting stock in MAG, paying for this equity with the money that MAG owes them.
However, the amount of money that MAG owns is substantial, and it means that so much equity in MAG must be exchanged in order to pay off the loans that these lenders are effectively becoming the new business owners of MAG.
As such, these new owners are Monomoy Capital Partners, BlueMountain Capital, and Contrarian Partners, and they will lead the new owners group for MAG and its house of brands, implementing their own new Board of Directors for MAG, which will surely appoint new leadership to MAG and its holdings.
Chapter 11 for Brands
Not all of MAGs debt will be converted into equity for the companys lenders, however. This is presumably because the amount of money owed exceeds how much money MAG is worth on paper.
Therefore, many of MAGs holdings are filing for relief under Chapter 11, Title 11 of the US Code better known as Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
The companies filing for Chapter 11 are the following: Renthal Americas, Tucker Rocky, Performance Machines (which includes Roland Sands Design), Vance & Hines, J&P Cycles, Velocity Holdings Company, Velocity Pooling Vehicle, DFR Acquisition, Ed Tucker Distributor, Kuryakyn, MAG Creative Group, MAGNET Force, Motorcycle Superstore, Motorcycle USA, Motorcycle Aftermarket Group, Mustang Motorcycle Products, Ralco Holdings, and Rally Holdings.
Chapter 11 filings give fairly large ranges of debt declaration once you get beyond the million dollar range, and there are several of MAGs holdings filing in the $100 million to $500 million range.
However, taking the smallest amounts possible into account, the MAG companies are filing for a combined amount in excess of $872,650,000. This means that real figure is likely above the $1 billion mark.
By having these companies file for protection under Chapter 11, the new owners of MAG will be able to more rapidly turnaround the companys overall business, and return to profitability.
It is not clear at this time how much of this near-billion dollar debt is owed to MAGs new financial owners, though we imagine it is a considerable amount.
In the Transition
In order to finance these companies through their bankruptcy proceedings, MAG has secured $135 million in what is called debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing.
DIP financing is money lent to a company pre-bankruptcy, and is typically used to continue normal business operations while the bankruptcy works its way through the legal system.
It should be noted that usually DIP loans like this are given with very strict provisions on how the money can be used. It is important to note too that DIP financing is debt that is senior to any other debt, that is to say, it must be paid back first during any refinancing or bankruptcy arrangement.
Coming Out the Other Side
MAG insists that it will be business as usual for the companys employees, customers, and vendors. For the most part, that seems to be true. Undoubtedly, MAGs new owners will change the companys business focus and operations, in order to ensure profitability post-bankruptcy.
On a more macro scale however, MAGs financial difficulties should be seen as a bellwether on the state of the American motorcycle industry. With only a handful of weeks left in the calendar year, we can surely expect to hear Q4 and annual reports that show motorcycle sales in decline.
Asphalt & Rubber is predicting an industry contraction of roughly 7% for 2017 in the USA, which is noticeable after the relatively flat past years of 2015 and 2016.
With sales down, companies struggling, and the motorcycle media landscape completely up for grabs (two titles of which were under MAG ownership), the curse may you live in interesting times certainly seems to apply.
Obviously this is an evolving situation in the US motorcycle industry. We will file additional reports as more information becomes available.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2017, 06:52:07 AM »

sounds like they will be fine just some debt restructuring lowering it as a means to maintain their business. 

I too have often gone amazon.prime like so many others vs. the mom/pop stores locally and hate to say it, but unless the smaller stores can come very close in pricing,  the money will stay in my pocket.

I foresee amazon.prime some day soon even putting walmart out of business.  Just wait and see shopping online is so much easier and cost effective with free shipping to your doorstep.

black friday shopping was SO EASY the past few years going online with all deals that do not say IN STORE ONLY which nowadays are few and far between.   
Sadly, brick and mortar stores are the new blacksmith. Don't know if Amazon will get broken up like Standard Oil was, but I doubt it. We'll all look in the mirror and blame ourselves, I guess. I have lost friends sparring with them over trying stuff on in a store and then ordering it online because the store, "charged too much". Stores have expenses (like retail theft) and less leverage on pricing than Amazon, which is just grinding up Walmart's practices and making them eat it. Eventually most retail stores may resemble the early Sears and Montgomery Wards catalog outlets where you would go in and look at something and then order it, picking it up at the store when it arrived. I'm thinking they'll have ONE of each expensive sports shoe on display Wink
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