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rear end mileage maint. with moly paste

Started by BigM, Sun 24, Dec 2017, 19:41:35

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BigM

Any idea on a good mileage interval with the MP50 moly paste. Know the book says 10K. Running the car tire I have around that mileage. But the tire is not close to changing out. Any thoughts on what theyve seen with it at 10K. Or poss. good mileage to relube?  Being winter thought it would be a good time but if no need i could wait.

Chrisj CMA


BigM

Sent ya a e-mail P.M. Thanks for the info.

old2soon

Quote from: BigM on Sun 24, Dec 2017, 19:41:35
Any idea on a good mileage interval with the MP50 moly paste. Know the book says 10K. Running the car tire I have around that mileage. But the tire is not close to changing out. Any thoughts on what theyve seen with it at 10K. Or poss. good mileage to relube?  Being winter thought it would be a good time but if no need i could wait.
I've done 12000 with Guard Dog Moly BUT-disclaimer here-I'm more in line with Chris's recommendation of 10G on miles. And as an aside-though I've done the rear end maint a number of times I STILL follow the step by step stuff I have printed up. I was an Airplane wrench and air crew in the Navy and check lists do help. RIDE SAFE.
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RudyF6

Quote from: old2soon on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 12:22:44
I STILL follow the step by step stuff I have printed up. I was an Airplane wrench and air crew in the Navy and check lists do help. RIDE SAFE.

This.......

Ever since the time I did mine and thought I forgot the thrust washer between wheel and drive flange.....

and didn't!   :tickedoff:
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I do mine every year  during winter down time--gives me peace of mine and something go do
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sandy

I've talked to several promechanics and none of them use Moly Paste. Most use Bel Ray waterproof grease. My last Valk I sold with 155K and it still had the original splines in perfect shape.

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Quote from: sandy on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 18:52:24
I've talked to several promechanics and none of them use Moly Paste. Most use Bel Ray waterproof grease.

Oh no you didn't go there!!!

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I used this for 50,000 miles on my first Valkyrie

135,000 miles on my ST1300

22,000 miles so far on current Valkyrie.

https://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9879047/00115?quantity=1

ST1300 splines at last tire change


Hook#3287

Honda manual calls for paste, in the cup, but many use grease.

I feel the important thing is not which you use, but that you do the maintenance.

Also, that you clean the ports into the rear drive.


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Quote from: Hook#3287 on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:33:39
Honda manual calls for paste, but many use grease.

I feel the important thing is not which you use, but that you do the maintenance.

Also, that you clean the ports into the rear drive.



Ports into rear drive?

What are these ports you speak of?

https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/hon/506cb5f7f870023420a416c6/final-driven-gear

Hook#3287

Quote from: Britman on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:36:59
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:33:39
Honda manual calls for paste, but many use grease.

I feel the important thing is not which you use, but that you do the maintenance.

Also, that you clean the ports into the rear drive.



Ports into rear drive?

What are these ports you speak of?

https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/hon/506cb5f7f870023420a416c6/final-driven-gear
In the pinion cup #13 there are two ports, or passageways, that go into the rear drive gear area.

I don't believe anyone (except Honda engineers) knows for sure their purpose, but their there for some reason.

I feel the reason may be for venting of the pinion cup. 

Chrisj CMA

Quote from: Hook#3287 on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:44:44
Quote from: Britman on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:36:59
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Mon 25, Dec 2017, 19:33:39
Honda manual calls for paste, but many use grease.

I feel the important thing is not which you use, but that you do the maintenance.

Also, that you clean the ports into the rear drive.



Ports into rear drive?

What are these ports you speak of?

https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/hon/506cb5f7f870023420a416c6/final-driven-gear
In the pinion cup #13 there are two ports, or passageways, that go into the rear drive gear area.

I don't believe anyone (except Honda engineers) knows for sure their purpose, but their there for some reason.

I feel the reason may be for venting of the pinion cup. 

these ports (holes)


Hook#3287

Wow, Cool :o

Where'd you get the pinion cup with the dragon in it?   :)

BigM

O.K  Its been 11k miles since tire change and lube with car tire on my I/S. So went ahead and tore down to do the maint.  At 11k all looks great. Still well lubed. I have used the Guarddog  *Paste,(thinned out over time),
 Bel-Ray. Waterproof, *Grease. (was almost dry and stating to rust)  
 And last time and  now the Moly MP 50 *Paste has done the best to hold up.  
Now to check my other Valk Tourer. Bought it last summer so crossing my fingers somebody did it right.
Thats the only draw back running a car tire which is o.k, Is that before did the maint when the m/c tire wears out. Now being that the ct gets more miles have to break it down mid ways of ct wear. But like said is a good thing otherwise would be buying a m/c tire also at this interval.  

Jess from VA

IF you do proper maintenance throughout, use lots of good lube (I always overdo it), don't forget any parts (thrust washer), and put it back together in the correct sequence, I think the 10K interval can be extended somewhat. 

IF water gets in there, from the Ujoint boot, power washers, days and days of rain riding, or however, all bets are off.   

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Quote from: Jess from VA on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 14:21:27
IF you do proper maintenance throughout, use lots of good lube (I always overdo it), don't forget any parts (thrust washer), and put it back together in the correct sequence, I think the 10K interval can be extended somewhat. 

IF water gets in there, from the Ujoint boot, power washers, days and days of rain riding, or however, all bets are off.   

Mine was at 13,500 miles upon death of Champiro tire.

All "looked" fine.

The longest I've gone. All previous were at motorcycle tire death. Normally around 9,000 miles. Both on Valkyrie and ST1300.

mello dude

Quote from: BigM on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 13:44:35

 Bel-Ray. Waterproof, *Grease. (was almost dry and stating to rust)  
 And last time and  now the Moly MP 3 *Paste has done the best to hold up.  
Now to check my other Valk Tourer. Bought it last summer so crossing my fingers somebody did it right.
Thats the only draw back running a car tire which is o.k, Is that before did the maint when the m/c tire wears out. Now being that the ct gets more miles have to break it down mid ways of ct wear. But like said is a good thing otherwise would be buying a m/c tire also at this interval.  

Could you list links of the exact products you are talking about?  


Its my turn on this stuff, although right now my garage is way too frickn cold! :-[
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Jess from VA

Quote from: Britman on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 14:27:06
Quote from: Jess from VA on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 14:21:27
IF you do proper maintenance throughout, use lots of good lube (I always overdo it), don't forget any parts (thrust washer), and put it back together in the correct sequence, I think the 10K interval can be extended somewhat. 

IF water gets in there, from the Ujoint boot, power washers, days and days of rain riding, or however, all bets are off.   

Mine was at 13,500 miles upon death of Champiro tire.

All "looked" fine.

The longest I've gone. All previous were at motorcycle tire death. Normally around 9,000 miles. Both on Valkyrie and ST1300.

Yeah Paul, my bike tire rears never made it to 10K, so tire interval was it.

With car tires going over 30K, I will split the difference at around 15K.  I have no abnormal wear, and I am not worried.  I've never had any of that dreaded rusty looking pasty crap in my splines (and no water).

BigM

Quote from: mello dude on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 16:28:21
Quote from: BigM on Thu 28, Dec 2017, 13:44:35

 Bel-Ray. Waterproof, *Grease. (was almost dry and stating to rust)  
 And last time and  now the Moly MP 3 *Paste has done the best to hold up.  
Now to check my other Valk Tourer. Bought it last summer so crossing my fingers somebody did it right.
Thats the only draw back running a car tire which is o.k, Is that before did the maint when the m/c tire wears out. Now being that the ct gets more miles have to break it down mid ways of ct wear. But like said is a good thing otherwise would be buying a m/c tire also at this interval.  

Could you list links of the exact products you are talking about?  

Is Moly mp50


Its my turn on this stuff, although right now my garage is way too frickn cold! :-[

BigM