I rarely hate someone...

[The emperor has no clothes]

But, I’ve got to admit. I HATE THIEVES ! I never really thought about it before but thieves are right below child abusers in my book. Maybe worse than murderers. It’s not even my money, but I’m just livid.

Sorry for the rant. I’m having a tough time dealing with this one.

[Wizzard]

But, I’ve got to admit. I HATE THIEVES ! I never really thought about it before but thieves are right below child abusers in my book. Maybe worse than murderers. It’s not even my money, but I’m just livid.

Sorry for the rant. I’m having a tough time dealing with this one.

I feel the same way. I know,, it's not commanded to feel that way in the bible,, but I fail. 

[Gavin_Sons]

But, I’ve got to admit. I HATE THIEVES ! I never really thought about it before but thieves are right below child abusers in my book. Maybe worse than murderers. It’s not even my money, but I’m just livid.

Sorry for the rant. I’m having a tough time dealing with this one.

So is it safe to say that you now agree that thieves need killed if caught red handed?

[DirtyDan]

Below child abusers

Maybe worse than murderers ?

I would rethink things

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

Below child abusers

Maybe worse than murderers ?

I would rethink things

Dan

To be honest the only thing I’m sure of is in my opinion child abusers are the lowest scum on earth. Maybe murderers are worse than thieves. Right now a thief has got my ire.

[Jess from VA]

Thieves come in all shapes and sizes and ages.

A child candy bar shoplifter does not equal a carjacker (or big white collar embezzler either).

Let the punishment fit the crime is a good philosophy.

What did you lose?  Did you make it too easy for them?

I must admit, when I left my top of the line (but 6yo) Snapper mower next to the dumper I dump my cuttings in on the street next to my driveway for 4 minutes, to go get a bottle of water, I was killing mad when it got lifted in broad daylight (in that 4 minute window).

NO ONE could have thought that HOT mower was being put out for the garbage folks, esp since they will never take a mower anyway unless you pay extra for a special pickup.

But I never leave any damn thing out there and walk away anymore.  (apparently, I made it easy for them)

The Toro I bought to replace it is a good mower, but it's not a Snapper. 

[98valk]

Below child abusers

Maybe worse than murderers ?

I would rethink things

Dan

To be honest the only thing I’m sure of is in my opinion child abusers are the lowest scum on earth. Maybe murderers are worse than thieves. Right now a thief has got my ire.

what is the politican's name?

[Willow]

It's difficult for us to accept but a lot of what raises our ire stems from a sense of entitlement.  We especially dislike the term and we apply it to folks who have values much different than our own but they ride a similar road.

Bitterness (closely related to hate) eats the bitter one, ourselves.  We live better when we learn to focus on how badly we're not hurt because of how well things have come to us in our lives.

Yes, I know.  It's too abstract for most of us.  Even those of us who should know better slip back now and then.  We do what we can.

[Romeo]

John Lennon talked about possession in his song Imagine. Guess I’m just not the man he was.
When one works for what he has, it’s always hard when another decides he needs or wants it.

[98valk]

Taxman

Let me tell you how it will be,
There's one for you, nineteen for me,
Cause I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all,
Cause I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat,
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Taxman.
Cause I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Don't ask me what I want it for
(Taxman Mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more
(Taxman Mister Heath),
Cause I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Now my advice for those who die,
Declare the pennies on your eyes,
Cause  I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
And you're working for no-one but me,
Taxman.

"Taxman" is a song written by George Harrison released as the opening track on the Beatles' 1966 album Revolver. Its lyrics attack the high levels of progressive tax taken by the British Labour government of Harold Wilson.

[GiG]

John Lennon talked about possession in his song Imagine. Guess I’m just not the man he was.
When one works for what he has, it’s always hard when another decides he needs or wants it.

Yeah, he talked about it.
Talk is cheap. Did he give his millions to charity?
He sued everyone he could, to the last nickel.
Most of the Lennon/McCartney credited compositions were written by Paul with minimal input from John, yet John HATED Paul (“How Do You Sleep at Night”).
He certainly did not deserve to be murdered, but the public perception is 180 degrees out of  what the guy really was. He stole from everyone, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Richard Penniman, the list is endless 

[The emperor has no clothes]

It's difficult for us to accept but a lot of what raises our ire stems from a sense of entitlement.  We especially dislike the term and we apply it to folks who have values much different than our own but they ride a similar road.

Bitterness (closely related to hate) eats the bitter one, ourselves.  We live better when we learn to focus on how badly we're not hurt because of how well things have come to us in our lives.

Yes, I know.  It's too abstract for most of us.  Even those of us who should know better slip back now and then.  We do what we can.

I’m sure you are right. Maybe it has more to do with a sense of betrayal that has got me this way. Usually I can just turn my back on someone. I’m not very good at forgiveness that’s for sure. If someone betrays my trust, I am done with them for ever.

[Valker]

John Lennon talked about possession in his song Imagine. Guess I’m just not the man he was.
When one works for what he has, it’s always hard when another decides he needs or wants it.

Yeah, he talked about it.
Talk is cheap. Did he give his millions to charity?
He sued everyone he could, to the last nickel.
Most of the Lennon/McCartney credited compositions were written by Paul with minimal input from John, yet John HATED Paul (“How Do You Sleep at Night”).
He certainly did not deserve to be murdered, but the public perception is 180 degrees out of  what the guy really was. He stole from everyone, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Richard Penniman, the list is endless 

You forgot his own son. "Hey Jude" was written by Paul to remind John that he had a kid who deserved his love and attention.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I think this is the rare issue we agree on meathead.

They way I see an (adult, should know better thief) is that they are stealing life.

As in, if someone sold 200 hours of their life to buy the stolen item, then the thief basically killed the owner 200 hours before they would have otherwise died. As in, he or she stole 200 hours of the owners life.

Justice then, would be to imprison the thief for at least the number of hours the rightful owner worked to buy the item. If the rightful owner was a dishwasher, then the thief spends more time locked up. If it was a family heirloom that a value can't be placed on, then the sky is the limit as far as jail time.

If the owner catches the thief in the act and puts holes in him, then it saves us all a lot of money. That is how I see fairly treating thieves and property owners.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think this is the rare issue we agree on meathead.

They way I see an (adult, should know better thief) is that they are stealing life.

As in, if someone sold 200 hours of their life to buy the stolen item, then the thief basically killed the owner 200 hours before they would have otherwise died. As in, he or she stole 200 hours of the owners life.

Justice then, would be to imprison the thief for at least the number of hours the rightful owner worked to buy the item. If the rightful owner was a dishwasher, then the thief spends more time locked up. If it was a family heirloom that a value can't be placed on, then the sky is the limit as far as jail time.

If the owner catches the thief in the act and puts holes in him, then it saves us all a lot of money. That is how I see fairly treating thieves and property owners.

Frye, we agree on plenty. It just isn't usually brought to attention.  I won't go into many specifics. It's out of my pay grade now and in higher ups hands. But let me say, watching someone you trusted on video stealing something you are responsible for is not a pleasant feeling. It's taking all my self control not to go off. And I am my Father's son. (He was not known for his self control)

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I think this is the rare issue we agree on meathead.

They way I see an (adult, should know better thief) is that they are stealing life.

As in, if someone sold 200 hours of their life to buy the stolen item, then the thief basically killed the owner 200 hours before they would have otherwise died. As in, he or she stole 200 hours of the owners life.

Justice then, would be to imprison the thief for at least the number of hours the rightful owner worked to buy the item. If the rightful owner was a dishwasher, then the thief spends more time locked up. If it was a family heirloom that a value can't be placed on, then the sky is the limit as far as jail time.

If the owner catches the thief in the act and puts holes in him, then it saves us all a lot of money. That is how I see fairly treating thieves and property owners.

Frye, we agree on plenty. It just isn't usually brought to attention.  I won't go into many specifics. It's out of my pay grade now and in higher ups hands. But let me say, watching someone you trusted on video stealing something you are responsible for is not a pleasant feeling. It's taking all my self control not to go off. And I am my Father's son. (He was not known for his self control)

That would indeed make it worse.

[Romeo]

John Lennon talked about possession in his song Imagine. Guess I’m just not the man he was.
When one works for what he has, it’s always hard when another decides he needs or wants it.

Yeah, he talked about it.
Talk is cheap. Did he give his millions to charity?
He sued everyone he could, to the last nickel.
Most of the Lennon/McCartney credited compositions were written by Paul with minimal input from John, yet John HATED Paul (“How Do You Sleep at Night”).
He certainly did not deserve to be murdered, but the public perception is 180 degrees out of  what the guy really was. He stole from everyone, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Richard Penniman, the list is endless 

No argument from me Gig. I always thought he was the asshat of the group.

[The emperor has no clothes]

John Lennon talked about possession in his song Imagine. Guess I’m just not the man he was.
When one works for what he has, it’s always hard when another decides he needs or wants it.

Yeah, he talked about it.
Talk is cheap. Did he give his millions to charity?
He sued everyone he could, to the last nickel.
Most of the Lennon/McCartney credited compositions were written by Paul with minimal input from John, yet John HATED Paul (“How Do You Sleep at Night”).
He certainly did not deserve to be murdered, but the public perception is 180 degrees out of  what the guy really was. He stole from everyone, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Richard Penniman, the list is endless 

No argument from me Gig. I always thought he was the asshat of the group.

Anybody that would abandon their wife and kid for the likes of Yoko Ono is definitely an asshat.

[Gavin_Sons]

A couple years back we were having spools of wire coming  up missing. No small spools, this was 2/0 welding cable 2500 feet. 3/0 some 2 gauge and a 100 foot section of 1/0 4 conductor. This is not small stuff. I got tired of my supplies I need to do my job come up missing. I installed 3 trail cameras around the area after everyone left. This was on a friday. On monday I had 2 spools missing and 1 camera gone. Looked through the other cameras and caught our janitor rolling them out on a dolly and also found my camera and stole it because he knew he was caught if not. Little did he know 2 other cameras were hidden watching also. Took the cards to the owner of the company and 10 minutes later the police were there making an arrest. He claimed it wasn't him all the way out the door. He stole around 10k worth of wire and who knows what else.

[scooperhsd]

I’m sure you are right. Maybe it has more to do with a sense of betrayal that has got me this way. Usually I can just turn my back on someone. I’m not very good at forgiveness that’s for sure. If someone betrays my trust, I am done with them for ever.

Absolutely - you betray my trust - I'm done with you FOREVER. No forgiveness possible. I'd trust you only to try to screw me over again.

[Pappy!]

We have a granddaughter that is a thief.....and a bald faced liar. Two traits that I absolutely cannot stand.

[Serk]

I agree with you, there's nothing worse than theft, no one lower than a thief.

BTW, taxation is theft.

[Leathel]

watching someone you trusted on video stealing something you are responsible for is not a pleasant feeling. It's taking all my self control not to go off. And I am my Father's son. (He was not known for his self control)

One of my friends watched an employee steel from him that he had gone out of his way to support, Short in the tills he checked the footage and saw her take money from the till, and went to the office and in a blind spot out of camera view the money disappears....he fired her, only to have her take him to court for wrong full dismissal ..... and she won! money was not seen to go in to her pocket.....he had to pay her lost earning and re employ her.....was not a happy chap!!!!


Scum thief made enough mistakes to be fired by the letter of the law and it was not contested, But I can't say what I would have done if I was him

[Robert]

Whats even more sad than the crime is the fact that these people never learned about honesty, and integrity and standing on their own 2 feet. This kind of trait follows one around in life and alters decisions and personality. They will never be the person they were meant to be with this hanging on. After you get over the shock of loosing something you can look and watch them fail in life. A train wreck in the making. 

If they steal for a drug habit, they cannot be trusted in anything they say. If they say the sky is blue you had better look at it and make sure.

I have had things stolen from me and minded loosing the items but I couldn't be mad for to long and felt sorry for them that they are so weak they had to steal. Usually they got what was coming to them is so many other ways. I would not trust them again knowing this character flaw.

[Jess from VA]

Years ago. I represented a kid for two crimes.  Stealing things (simple larceny under $100), then assaulting the cop who caught him (and he was lucky it was charged back then as just a simple assault; the cop was not hurt).  Indeed, the kid's swing and a miss, was followed by a big swing and a hit by the cop, who put the kid out.  Because he was a first offender, and because I knew the cops and the prosecutor, I was able to get a deal to... plead to one and the other would be dismissed, your choice.  

I asked him and his dad which crime they wanted to plead to.  Dad was paying me, the kid had no money.  Neither one of them had a clue.  I told them he was going to plead to the assault because the larceny was a crime of dishonesty that would follow him the rest of his life and label him as untrustworthy to any future employers.  On the other hand, even a scrupulously honest man might punch someone in the nose.  

They wanted to know what sentence he could expect to get, and I said that the deal was on the charges, not the sentence.  It was unlikely he would get any significant time, but that the assault on a cop could bring a weekend or a week in jail (the judge was a no-nonsense former Marine), while the larceny would almost certainly bring no time at all.  They looked at me like I was from another planet.... why should he plead to an offense that might bring a little time, when the other would bring none?

The dad wanted to talk about suing the cop/dept for excessive force, and I told them I was not interested in such a case, they would have to get another lawyer if they wanted to pursue that (and the case had little chance of success, since the cop only hit him once in response to the kid's swing).

The end of this little morality play is instructive.  This was the only time I broke my own rule about getting the money up front for criminal cases.  The dad wore nice suits when meeting with me, had paid me half my small fee when we first met and promised me the other half the day of court.  He handed me a check at the courthouse, and I didn't like it, but took it.  The kid plead to the assault, got a fine and no jail, and the check bounced.  And I never got paid, despite a few efforts.

Like father like son.  

        

[The emperor has no clothes]

watching someone you trusted on video stealing something you are responsible for is not a pleasant feeling. It's taking all my self control not to go off. And I am my Father's son. (He was not known for his self control)

One of my friends watched an employee steel from him that he had gone out of his way to support, Short in the tills he checked the footage and saw her take money from the till, and went to the office and in a blind spot out of camera view the money disappears....he fired her, only to have her take him to court for wrong full dismissal ..... and she won! money was not seen to go in to her pocket.....he had to pay her lost earning and re employ her.....was not a happy chap!!!!


Scum thief made enough mistakes to be fired by the letter of the law and it was not contested, But I can't say what I would have done if I was him

Unfortunately, our case looks like it's going end up similar. It's going to be very difficult to continue working together.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

There are people who seem to just steal for no reason at all.

An employee at a plant I worked at once was fired for stealing toilet paper. She had a good paying job, she couldn't have done it because she couldn't afford TP. It had to be some kind of mental defect/compulsion. Either way, she deserved to be fired and that's what she got.

[Gavin_Sons]

There are people who seem to just steal for no reason at all.

An employee at a plant I worked at once was fired for stealing toilet paper. She had a good paying job, she couldn't have done it because she couldn't afford TP. It had to be some kind of mental defect/compulsion. Either way, she deserved to be fired and that's what she got.

They guy that stole the wire from my shop was just scrapping it. I know one spool he took was 3 grand because I just ordered it a couple days for a job I had to do. He might have got 100 bucks for it at a scrap yard.  and just a week before he told our owner and his wife that his kids needed medicine and couldn't afford it. They gave him 1500 bucks to help him out then he steals from them. He always asked me for money I told him I didn't know him and don't know his intentions for the money so no. He borrowed 20 bucks off several people every week. He would use borrowed money to pay off old debts. Everyone caught on and cut him off.

[Leathel]

watching someone you trusted on video stealing something you are responsible for is not a pleasant feeling. It's taking all my self control not to go off. And I am my Father's son. (He was not known for his self control)

One of my friends watched an employee steel from him that he had gone out of his way to support, Short in the tills he checked the footage and saw her take money from the till, and went to the office and in a blind spot out of camera view the money disappears....he fired her, only to have her take him to court for wrong full dismissal ..... and she won! money was not seen to go in to her pocket.....he had to pay her lost earning and re employ her.....was not a happy chap!!!!


Scum thief made enough mistakes to be fired by the letter of the law and it was not contested, But I can't say what I would have done if I was him

Unfortunately, our case looks like it's going end up similar. It's going to be very difficult to continue working together.

I hope it doesn't go that way for you, I hate working with those you can't trust!

I hope if they do stay there that they have learnt a lesson, still can never go back to "as it was"

[Crackerborn]

I personally believe that thieves should get the punishment that certain third world countries impose, like the loss of the use of the right hand in a society that lefties are pariahs. Sure I know that might be construed as "cruel and unusual" but it might actually act as a deterrent since our current system obviously does not.

On a personal note, a few years ago I had a sub working T&M on a rehab project I was flipping. I was at another project on that Friday morning and on the way back stopped and grabbed lunch for the guys I had opened up for (three). When I got there, no one home and the house was wide open. This was 11:30 AM and I stayed and worked until 4. That evening the bill for that week arrives via email and I was being billed for 8 hrs and 4 guys on that Friday. I called the guy that wasn't there in the morning and asked if he was okay. His answer was that he was great, he had harvested a nice buck that morning and was sorry he didn't show up today but by the time he had caped the deer, he knew he would not make it in. I then called his boss and asked if the bill he sent me was accurate which he claimed was very fair for the actual time they had worked. My response was that I would drop off his check in the morning and don't come back to that site. I have not used him since and every now and then I still get a call asking if I have any work for him.

[Willow]

I agree with you, there's nothing worse than theft, no one lower than a thief.

I usually like what you say, Serk, but we have to disagree on this.  Theft is certainly not right but comes to mind murder, rape, kidnapping, certain assaults and wrongful death.  Simple larceny is wrong but it's way down the list in my opinion. 

[Serk]

I agree with you, there's nothing worse than theft, no one lower than a thief.

I usually like what you say, Serk, but we have to disagree on this.  Theft is certainly not right but comes to mind murder, rape, kidnapping, certain assaults and wrongful death.  Simple larceny is wrong but it's way down the list in my opinion. 

But aren't all those things theft as well? Theft of life, theft of body integrity, theft of freedom?

[Willow]

But aren't all those things theft as well? Theft of life, theft of body integrity, theft of freedom?

   A rather broad brush indeed.  By that definition I guess you were referring to virtually all criminals, legal and ethical.  We would agree on that.  Then again we could simply say that there are none more evil than members of the human race.   

[cookiedough]

I think the only thing I stole on purpose knowingly was in middle school art class I liked a zig zag pattern scissors so i swiped it.  Boy, I would have hated to loose an arm or hand over that petty theft....

that being said,  if a thief ever entered my house and found him/her inside,  that thief best run VERY FAST or else.   Not that I am super fast, but the first 30 yards he better be.  After that,  I doubt I could catch them...  

[Serk]

But aren't all those things theft as well? Theft of life, theft of body integrity, theft of freedom?

   A rather broad brush indeed.  By that definition I guess you were referring to virtually all criminals, legal and ethical.  We would agree on that.  Then again we could simply say that there are none more evil than members of the human race.   

In that respect I think cats have us beat on the evil-meter...

[Gavin_Sons]

But aren't all those things theft as well? Theft of life, theft of body integrity, theft of freedom?

   A rather broad brush indeed.  By that definition I guess you were referring to virtually all criminals, legal and ethical.  We would agree on that.  Then again we could simply say that there are none more evil than members of the human race.   

In that respect I think cats have us beat on the evil-meter...

Agreed. If the devil had a pet it would be a cat. And I have 2 house cats.  They know I hate them and they steer clear of me.