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Got to be the first guy at our local dealership (other than staff) to ride their demo model. It was the Tour DCT, no airbag. They gave me a full hour on the demo pass, but I had a schedule to keep for one of my kids, so I only got about 20 minutes on the bike. Seating position: comfortable. A bit more upright than my IS, but good. I wish I could have spent the full hour on this to really see how the knees and hips would like it. I don't think there are any real good spots for highway pegs (other than maybe the Rivco style that attach to the valve covers), so the position better be great! DCT: I hate this thing. I'm endlessly reaching for the clutch. I don't like it in the parking lots. I did some figure 8/iron cross work to play with the DCT and found that it was much more difficult than with a standard. I couldn't keep the RPM up & clutch in the friction zone, so instead, was just idling through the turns. The engine would lug, then compensate by increasing the fuel which would cause a jerking sensation. During deceleration, when I would like to just pull the clutch and start coasting my speed down, the DCT would instead downshift and slow me much faster than I desired. I'm sure I could get used to this, too, but I don't like it. That said, during acceleration, the drivetrain was GREAT. Plenty of power, perfect, fast shifts. I tried both auto and manual modes, but would still like to have a clutch! Driving modes: I flicked through them (Tour, Sport, Econ?) and worked through hard/semi-hard acceleration and then slowing down. They all work exactly as I would expect from each. Economy- who wants this? It felt gutless compared to the others. In fact, I had no need for anything other than Sport.  Seriously though, the Tour mode was actually the most friendly for all but hard acceleration. Wind protection: the winshield was great. At 70, I was very comfortable, without buffeting. I dropped the windshield to the lowest position and felt almost like I was on a standard bike with no fairing. The windshield does its job and well. Electronics: With limited time, I focused on the mechanical aspects and didn't get to use anything other than the cruise control. It was sitting right next to a 17 Wing, and is noticeably smaller. I've seen the overlaid images, but it was more striking to me seeing them like this. All that to say, I'm watching for some great deals on a brand new 17!  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 06:59:23 PM » |
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It was sitting right next to a 17 Wing, and is noticeably smaller. I've seen the overlaid images, but it was more striking to me seeing them like this. All that to say, I'm watching for some great deals on a brand new 17! While I don't pretend to know either bike, I would suggest that great deals on the 17s may depend on how well the 18s sell. Based on your review, it may be a while........... Especially if the rest of the Wing World agrees with your evaluation.. Rams |
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 08:02:36 PM » |
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maybe not even a 2017 model, but a 2008-2010 model under 10g's with say 30-40K miles? i doubt the price of used goldwings in that year range will drop much just because a newly designed goldwing came out, but I could be wrong? |
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I wonder if this low speed problem could be solved by just keeping the paddle shifter in first. A lot of newer model bikes across the spectrum have some problem at low speed due to EPA restrictions. Commonly referred to as surging. For a while last year I had an almost brand new v star 1300 tourer ( until I bought a similar low milage Victory Cross Country ) that had this problem, which could be eliminated by sending the ecu to Ivans performance products for an ecu reflashing. I think the Victory would have had the same problem but came with a stage 1 upgrade and ecu reflash, and handles very well at slow speeds. This is one southern gentleman's take on the DCT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=390&v=FZAuUefjEy8 |
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 05:07:49 PM » |
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I have been following the new Gold Wing pretty closely as I now own a 2012 Wing and think I am going to step up to the new one in two years or so (waiting for any bugs that jump up to be worked out).
On the big Gold Wing board about 99% of the earlier buyers; there are a lot of guys snapping them up over there, are raving about the DCT. They all say you have to get used to it, but once you do, you'll love it. Most say it takes about a thousand miles of riding to really get the feel for it.
As far as market for the "old" wings, on that board, there are tons of wings coming up for sale and they are at pretty good prices IMO for spring coming soon. I have heard that trade-in values are dropping like a stone so i foresee the same on the used private seller market as well. Might just get mine triked for my wife and bypass having to move my 2012. All depends on the money situation in a couple years.
Most dealers aren't moving off MSRP for the new Wing, but if your willing to travel, I know Honda of Russellville (Arkansas) are moving a ton of them having DCT Touring Models at $24,500 plus tax.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 05:27:51 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2018, 05:48:04 PM » |
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I wonder if this low speed problem could be solved by just keeping the paddle shifter in first. A lot of newer model bikes across the spectrum have some problem at low speed due to EPA restrictions. Commonly referred to as surging. For a while last year I had an almost brand new v star 1300 tourer ( until I bought a similar low milage Victory Cross Country ) that had this problem, which could be eliminated by sending the ecu to Ivans performance products for an ecu reflashing. I think the Victory would have had the same problem but came with a stage 1 upgrade and ecu reflash, and handles very well at slow speeds. This is one southern gentleman's take on the DCT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=390&v=FZAuUefjEy8I did try that, but it still had the surge. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 05:51:18 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Yeah, forgot to mention that. The front was very smooth, but I didn't get to really push it in some twisties. Best I got was pushing it hard in one cloverleaf. As for general shock absorption, it did great. There are two mounting towers on top of the telelever (not sure if that's the technically correct term) that were visible from the cockpit. You could see those moving up and down when the suspension reacts. This was only distracting the first time that I saw something moving in my peripheral! After that, it was only mildly amusing. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 06:37:19 PM » |
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I have been following the new Gold Wing pretty closely as I now own a 2012 Wing and think I am going to step up to the new one in two years or so (waiting for any bugs that jump up to be worked out).
On the big Gold Wing board about 99% of the earlier buyers; there are a lot of guys snapping them up over there, are raving about the DCT. They all say you have to get used to it, but once you do, you'll love it. Most say it takes about a thousand miles of riding to really get the feel for it.
As far as market for the "old" wings, on that board, there are tons of wings coming up for sale and they are at pretty good prices IMO for spring coming soon. I have heard that trade-in values are dropping like a stone so i foresee the same on the used private seller market as well. Might just get mine triked for my wife and bypass having to move my 2012. All depends on the money situation in a couple years.
Most dealers aren't moving off MSRP for the new Wing, but if your willing to travel, I know Honda of Russellville (Arkansas) are moving a ton of them having DCT Touring Models at $24,500 plus tax.
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Yeah, forgot to mention that. The front was very smooth, but I didn't get to really push it in some twisties. Best I got was pushing it hard in one cloverleaf. As for general shock absorption, it did great. There are two mounting towers on top of the telelever (not sure if that's the technically correct term) that were visible from the pencilpit. You could see those moving up and down when the suspension reacts. This was only distracting the first time that I saw something moving in my peripheral! After that, it was only mildly amusing. Thanks for the report. Notice that c o c kpit, even as one word, magically becomes pencilpit. (and when you actually type pencilpit, spellcheck red-lines it). LOL Cocktails Cockamamie Cockfight Cockeye |
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2018, 04:09:38 AM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Yeah, forgot to mention that. The front was very smooth, but I didn't get to really push it in some twisties. Best I got was pushing it hard in one cloverleaf. As for general shock absorption, it did great. There are two mounting towers on top of the telelever (not sure if that's the technically correct term) that were visible from the pencilpit. You could see those moving up and down when the suspension reacts. This was only distracting the first time that I saw something moving in my peripheral! After that, it was only mildly amusing. Thanks for the report. Notice that c o c kpit, even as one word, magically becomes pencilpit. (and when you actually type pencilpit, spellcheck red-lines it). LOL penciltails pencilamamie pencilfight pencileye The University of South Carolina Game pencils Guess you are right Jess. This out to scare the dickens out of the other SEC teams. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 12:27:06 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Yeah, forgot to mention that. The front was very smooth, but I didn't get to really push it in some twisties. Best I got was pushing it hard in one cloverleaf. As for general shock absorption, it did great. There are two mounting towers on top of the telelever (not sure if that's the technically correct term) that were visible from the pencilpit. You could see those moving up and down when the suspension reacts. This was only distracting the first time that I saw something moving in my peripheral! After that, it was only mildly amusing. Thanks for the report. Notice that c o c kpit, even as one word, magically becomes pencilpit. (and when you actually type pencilpit, spellcheck red-lines it). LOL penciltails pencilamamie pencilfight pencileye  |
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 01:07:51 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Never would claim to be a mechanic, but did find this video curious and these people know suspension.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpskmEWSVQI think those guys know suspension... Here's more: https://www.youtube.com/user/max95437-Mike "I'm shocked!" |
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2018, 02:47:01 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Never would claim to be a mechanic, but did find this video curious and these people know suspension.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpskmEWSVQI think those guys know suspension... Here's more: https://www.youtube.com/user/max95437-Mike "I'm shocked!" Yeah, big surprise. He has nothing but bad things to say about the 18's suspension...so you'll buy his $4000 set up when he comes out with it. Actual owners with no skin in the game are raving about it. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2018, 03:12:58 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Never would claim to be a mechanic, but did find this video curious and these people know suspension.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpskmEWSVQI think those guys know suspension... Here's more: https://www.youtube.com/user/max95437-Mike "I'm shocked!" Yeah, big surprise. He has nothing but bad things to say about the 18's suspension...so you'll buy his $4000 set up when he comes out with it. Actual owners with no skin in the game are raving about it. [/quot Well I guess he could be lying but the video did show wear on the bumper. I want be buying one so no skin in the game. Guess time will tell. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2018, 03:17:55 PM » |
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any comments about the new front suspension? I think would be awesome to not have front forks go bad and smoother ride as well if it is reliable in the long run that is.
Never would claim to be a mechanic, but did find this video curious and these people know suspension.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpskmEWSVQI think those guys know suspension... Here's more: https://www.youtube.com/user/max95437-Mike "I'm shocked!" Yeah, big surprise. He has nothing but bad things to say about the 18's suspension...so you'll buy his $4000 set up when he comes out with it. Actual owners with no skin in the game are raving about it. Did you see how it bottoms out when someone sits on it (you don't think he faked it, do you?) Did you see how the rubber damper on the bike with 300 miles was already showing wear? I just checked the http://gl1800riders.com forum, it is easy to find people who rave about the OEM suspension on their pre-2018 wings... it is different to some extent, but I think the suspension on my 2014 Valkyrie is mediocre at best... Anywho... I was thinking the 2018 front suspension was going to be awesome, I'm kind of doubting that will be the consensus a year from now. -Mike |
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2018, 03:26:18 PM » |
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I can agree that time will tell.
I just find it suspect that he is inundating the internet with nothing but bad things to say right from the get go.
My 2012 suspension is completely stock. Yes, it is sometimes jarring on really bad pavement, but other than that, it is very capable loaded up with my fat arse and my wife's fine arse.
Capable enough to not have to drop 4 grand on his, and I consider myself a somewhat aggressive rider.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2018, 05:26:21 PM » |
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my guess is the all new front suspension will be suspect to this issue of rattling/knocking in many, many new 2018 wings. If 1 does it, many more to follow not just a fluke IMO.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 04:21:39 AM » |
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I can agree that time will tell.
I just find it suspect that he is inundating the internet with nothing but bad things to say right from the get go.
My 2012 suspension is completely stock. Yes, it is sometimes jarring on really bad pavement, but other than that, it is very capable loaded up with my fat arse and my wife's fine arse.
Capable enough to not have to drop 4 grand on his, and I consider myself a somewhat aggressive rider.
Agreed. He has a monetary reason to put out those videos. There are MANY new owners who are experienced riders, that are saying glowing things about the bike. I'm pretty confident in Honda engineers.  |
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2018, 04:53:39 AM » |
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Yes, it is sometimes jarring on really bad pavement,
There's tight, responsive "sports car" suspension on my Mini Cooper S.
I tell people, "if I hit an acorn while drinking a cup of coffee, the coffee
splashes out on me"... I don't want the kind of suspension on my bike
that makes things "smooth", I want the kind that doesn't feel mooshy
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Rode one a few weeks ago as Greeneville Honda got a demo unit in. Took it for spin up Highway 70 from Greeneville TN towards Rogersville TN - very twisty road. Basic model version Goldwing Tour with 6 speed manual. As a current owner of a 2001 GL1800 the handling characteristics were by far the major difference. I didn't feel much improvement in power, some more low end torque and gearing ratio differences with the 6speed. Has more ass coming out of the apex in turns. You can definitely tell the difference in weight reduction. Easy to layover and transition in sharp S bends. With my love for ignorant aggressive riding, it was hard to resist sliding an ass cheek off of the seat and stretching a knee out. I didn't want to scuff any pegs  Front suspension is a huge improvement, I purposely aimed for some small pot holes on a few straight section and it was impressive to feel the reaction. The electric windshield was probably my favorite attribute Few Photo's and video. I was recording video one handed with cell phone so not the best quality.    https://www.facebook.com/prestoman31/videos/10213992194653401/?l=2147919009593621751 |
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Road one a few weeks ago as Greeneville Honda got a demo unit in. Took it for spin up Highway 70 from Greeneville TN towards Rogersville TN - very twisty road. Basic model version Goldwing Tour with 6 speed manual. As a current owner of a 2001 GL1800 the handling characteristics were by far the major difference. I didn't feel much improvement in power, some more low end torque and gearing ratio differences with the 6speed. Has more ass coming out of the apex in turns. You can definitely tell the difference in weight reduction. Easy to layover and transition in sharp S bends. With my love for ignorant aggressive riding, it was hard to resist sliding an ass cheek off of the seat and stretching a knee out. I didn't want to scuff any pegs Front suspension is a huge improvement, I purposely aimed for some small pot holes on a few straight section and it was impressive to feel the reaction. The electric windshield was probably my favorite attribute Few Photo's and video. I was recording video one handed with cell phone so not the best quality. https://www.facebook.com/prestoman31/videos/10213992194653401/?l=2147919009593621751 it’s nice to hear ride reports from experienced, aggressive riders. Even if they are youngsters.  |
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Front suspension is a huge improvement, I purposely aimed for some small pot holes on a few straight section and it was impressive to feel the reaction.
He knows about moving briskly through bumpy curves, so that's a big plus
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 11:12:51 AM » |
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I can agree that time will tell.
I just find it suspect that he is inundating the internet with nothing but bad things to say right from the get go.
My 2012 suspension is completely stock. Yes, it is sometimes jarring on really bad pavement, but other than that, it is very capable loaded up with my fat arse and my wife's fine arse.
Capable enough to not have to drop 4 grand on his, and I consider myself a somewhat aggressive rider.
Agreed. He has a monetary reason to put out those videos. There are MANY new owners who are experienced riders, that are saying glowing things about the bike. I'm pretty confident in Honda engineers. I'm always eluded to that "never purchase a first year of a new model anything". Sometime things like this are not always pertinent to a new design, but the new manufacturing processes to build that new design at production ready numbers. I would assume there is a lot of automation at the facility in Japan where the new wings are assembled. Still, the introduction of a new model on an assembly line takes time for Joe Schmo assembly line worker to get use too. I can for-see some quality related manufacturing discrepancies on the first year models. Nothing to be alarmed about, but it happens everywhere. I don't wanna say it...... that phrase..... "Trust me I'm an Engineer" |
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I don't wanna say it...... that phrase..... "Trust me I'm an Engineer" Just like....'I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help' |
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I don't wanna say it...... that phrase..... "Trust me I'm an Engineer" Just like....'I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help' FAA has a new one now - "We're not happy until you're not happy" -RP |
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I don't wanna say it...... that phrase..... "Trust me I'm an Engineer" Just like....'I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help' FAA has a new one now - "We're not happy until you're not happy" -RP Lol..... |
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2018, 03:32:45 AM » |
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I can agree that time will tell.
I just find it suspect that he is inundating the internet with nothing but bad things to say right from the get go.
My 2012 suspension is completely stock. Yes, it is sometimes jarring on really bad pavement, but other than that, it is very capable loaded up with my fat arse and my wife's fine arse.
Capable enough to not have to drop 4 grand on his, and I consider myself a somewhat aggressive rider.
Not tryin' to start a fight here, but I didn't find that to be the case at all.
IMHO all oem Wing ('01-'17) suspension is horribly undersprung. Barely capable of supporting it's own weight brand new and outright dangerous loaded up & tryin' to corner. Not sayin' ya gotta run right out & drop $4k+ (Progressive springs alone make a dramatic improvement) but when mine gets updated it will be Traxxion. Rode one Traxxionized with the "Full Mega Monty" (new bearings & triple trees down because there's also too much flex) the difference is night & day. Turned the "boat' into a 900lb sportbike (1800RR  ) and there are tricks to get alittle more ground clearance/lean radius with Traxxion components.
For me the very first upgrade (the one that has to be done) is suspension on an 1800 Wing. Then add Guhl's ECM reflash (timing's also too retarded), & ya got yourself a very capable, comfortable, power cruiser.
Only trick then's finding tires that can handle it.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2018, 04:23:06 AM » |
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thanks. I think Honda has always tended to suspend Goldwings in the "cushy" mode. These are probably going to make them more sportier for sure.
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Alpha Dog
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2018, 05:55:23 AM » |
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When they brought up what they perceive as a problem it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism from the Gold Wing public. After all the ride reports of this machine really are glowing from all corners. However Traxxion has built a very good reputation of improving suspensions. Nice to know there is already and upgrade, even though it will cost close to $2500. Now can someone figure out how to stretch one's legs? |
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f6john
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2018, 09:03:07 AM » |
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I just don’t have the Harley mentality, feeling good about spending $30k on a motorcycle. Of course if I did, I don’t have the bank account for it either. All said and done, I’d still like to have one.
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