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Mating a Valk engine to a VW transaxle

Started by Alien, Fri 29, Nov 2019, 10:32:08

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Alien

Has this ever been done?  The engine would be a signifigant upgrade from the 40HP 4 cylinder VW engine.  Besides, building a VW engine up to make 100 HP is expensive and the engine will not live a happy life.

I seem to remember a front engine Valk powered roadster of some kind several years ago.

I'm picturing an early Kharmann Ghia convertible with a screaming Valk motor...It could be a lot of fun.  Winter is dangerous when you have tools...

Ride Safe,

Alien

f6john

Quote from: Alien on Fri 29, Nov 2019, 10:32:08
Has this ever been done?  The engine would be a signifigant upgrade from the 40HP 4 cylinder VW engine.  Besides, building a VW engine up to make 100 HP is expensive and the engine will not live a happy life.

I seem to remember a front engine Valk powered roadster of some kind several years ago.

I'm picturing an early Kharmann Ghia convertible with a screaming Valk motor...It could be a lot of fun.  Winter is dangerous when you have tools...

Ride Safe,

Alien

I haven't heard of a VW/ Valk conversion, I have also pondered the use of Valkyrie engines in other platforms. I have tried to envision a side by with a Valkyrie power plant but it's probably beyond my skillset.

mello dude

Quote from: Alien on Fri 29, Nov 2019, 10:32:08
Has this ever been done?  The engine would be a signifigant upgrade from the 40HP 4 cylinder VW engine.  Besides, building a VW engine up to make 100 HP is expensive and the engine will not live a happy life.

I seem to remember a front engine Valk powered roadster of some kind several years ago.

I'm picturing an early Kharmann Ghia convertible with a screaming Valk motor...It could be a lot of fun.  Winter is dangerous when you have tools...

Ride Safe,

Alien

When I was a younger foole, I screwed around with both VW Beetles and I did have a Karman Ghia convertible. It was a fun ride. I loved the pop down rear window.... Sometimes my buddy and I would partake of a few beverages and whip the emptys out the back window. (Yeah, young and dumb)

Another fav car was a tricked out Super Beetle.... Webers/Cams/Headers... lowered with sway bars and stiff shocks.... I did autocross with it. It was a riot to drive.  8)

With the Valk flat six, I too have wondered about the VW conversion.... But really I am way past wanting to mess with them any more, I am mostly a bike guy.. but.... unless i stumbled into that perfect Karman Ghia.... (I still have left over badges from it. )
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98valk

1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

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mrtlc

I have always thought I would see one in an airplane???  :-\
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89 Goldwing sidecar 1500
88 Goldwing 1500
85 Goldwing 1200
84 Gold wing 1200
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Jess from VA

Airplanes (even home built) must worry about freezing up carburetors. 

98valk

Quote from: mrtlc on Fri 29, Nov 2019, 17:17:59
I have always thought I would see one in an airplane???  :-\

there are flat four and six aircraft engines, they are much larger than a GL1500 engine.
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1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

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John Adams 10/11/1798

f6john

Quote from: 98valk on Fri 29, Nov 2019, 15:57:07
if this conversion can be done I'm sure a VW could be done.

http://marvinbaumann.com/valkyrie.html

This is the key to making the Valk work in the tractor,

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Might be a little more difficult in a VW application.

Challenger

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I can attest that a Valk powered side by side is a riot to drive   :2funny:

Willow

Isn't the VW air cooled?  The Valk is water cooled.  There would be a challenge to arranging for the Valk radiator.

CoreyP

Ya you would have to have some duct work to get air to the radiator. The biggest thing is I don't know how you would connect a motorcycle shaft drive to a car axle? A chain setup would work but I doubt it would be reliable? I'm not going to do this but it got me thinking that a Valkyrie engine could be use for a few things and probably bought very cheap. Maybe not very cheap but cheap compared to a new 6 cylinder engine.

Is the plan to use a Valkyrie transmission or is the plan to just use the engine? I'm thinking you need some very good fabrication skills.

John Schmidt

Quote from: CoreyP on Sun 01, Dec 2019, 01:39:44

Is the plan to use a Valkyrie transmission or is the plan to just use the engine? I'm thinking you need some very good fabrication skills.
The engine and transmission are an integral part, they're not separate like a Harley.

da prez

  Just about anything can be adapted to anything if you have the money to throw at it.
We built a lot of 4X4 vehicles and we did it low tech. The money people can make it happen.

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gordonv

There's an auto company that makes adapter plates. I would find a better engine, like a Subaru or a Porsche, and see if it can be done. Speaking of a Porsche, that would also be a rear transaxle too, so might have better luck with it.

https://www.advanceadapters.com/
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CoreyP

Quote from: John Schmidt on Sun 01, Dec 2019, 20:51:11
Quote from: CoreyP on Sun 01, Dec 2019, 01:39:44


The engine and transmission are an integral part, they're not separate like a Harley.

Looks like I have some home work to do, I use to things being pretty much separate.

mello dude

Quote from: Challenger on Sat 30, Nov 2019, 12:20:33

I can attest that a Valk powered side by side is a riot to drive   :2funny:

Gotta full overview shot of that thing?
* There's someone in my head, but it's not me.......
* Mr. Murphy was an optimist....
* There's a very fine line between Insanity and Genius.....
* My get up and go, must have got up and went.....

98valk

Quote from: CoreyP on Mon 02, Dec 2019, 21:47:37
Quote from: John Schmidt on Sun 01, Dec 2019, 20:51:11
Quote from: CoreyP on Sun 01, Dec 2019, 01:39:44


The engine and transmission are an integral part, they're not separate like a Harley.

Looks like I have some home work to do, I use to things being pretty much separate.

BMW motorcycles also use a separate engine and transmission.  High maintenance. back end has to be removed in various degrees per model for removal of transmission to grease splines and replace clutch.
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

Challenger

Quote from: mello dude on Tue 03, Dec 2019, 03:50:48
Quote from: Challenger on Sat 30, Nov 2019, 12:20:33

I can attest that a Valk powered side by side is a riot to drive   :2funny:

Gotta full overview shot of that thing?

0leman

Quote from: gordonv on Mon 02, Dec 2019, 20:45:58
There's an auto company that makes adapter plates. I would find a better engine, like a Subaru or a Porsche, and see if it can be done. Speaking of a Porsche, that would also be a rear transaxle too, so might have better luck with it.

https://www.advanceadapters.com/

Back in the 60's when I was in college, there was a guy who had a beetle.   It had a Porsche engine and rear end in it.  Had to pretty much remove the back seat to get it in.  only bug that I ever new about that could do over 100 mph.   
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BMW motorcycles also use a separate engine and transmission.  High maintenance. back end has to be removed in various degrees per model for removal of transmission to grease splines and replace clutch.
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That is indeed a fact and something I'm going to get to do this winter on my recently acquired R1100RT... I'm dreading it!

Bighead

Quote from: 0leman on Tue 03, Dec 2019, 10:08:09
Quote from: gordonv on Mon 02, Dec 2019, 20:45:58
There's an auto company that makes adapter plates. I would find a better engine, like a Subaru or a Porsche, and see if it can be done. Speaking of a Porsche, that would also be a rear transaxle too, so might have better luck with it.

https://www.advanceadapters.com/

Back in the 60's when I was in college, there was a guy who had a beetle.   It had a Porsche engine and rear end in it.  Had to pretty much remove the back seat to get it in.  only bug that I ever new about that could do over 100 mph.   
Nah many bugs could do over 100. My 73 super beetle with oversized pistons and jugs,dual port heads would hit 100 easy. I had a friend that drag raced Bugs and you would be surprised at the 1/4 mile speeds that thing would make.
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Regis

A More practical and very common upgrade is the Subaru engine into a VW. Flat 4 or Flat 6.

Gnarly

To my shadetree-mechanic backwoods kinda thinking, the parallel challenge to mating the Valkyrie powertrain to a VW would be the cost of beefing up a VW transaxle? that was originally designed to handle half the horsepower.
I've loved many bikes, over the last 52 years of riding, but this Valkyrie machine may have propelled me headlong into IDOLATRY....