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Started by valkmc, Thu 06, Jun 2024, 08:35:39

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valkmc

97 Valk giving me a problem. It has recently had carbs rebuilt, has recently had a new OEM starter button and all regular maintenance completed. Never experienced this problem so before I bother my mechanic I would like to fix the problem if I can:

Drove the bike to the gym (12miles) a few days ago and it ran great. When I started it the famous clicks from the solenoid happened but it started. Started home and about halfway it started to run rough. Similar to running low on gas. Switched to reserve, did not help.
Made it home, I  carry an OEM solenoid so I switched it out, checked all of the battery contacts and all was good. Put the battery tender on and within 3 minutes it went from red to green. Started her up ran to the gas station filled it up and drove around town for about 30 minutes ran perfect. Went to Daytona for the week end but because of the issue I took the Wing. It sat for several days came home and went to the gym with her. Exact issue again minus the clicking solenoid. It began running rough again half way home.  started right up and ran fine this am. Did not take it for a ride. ANY IDEAS?
2013 Black and Red F6B (Gone)
2016 1800 Gold Wing (Gone)
1997 Valkyrie Tourer
2018 Gold Wing Non Tour

WintrSol

#1
I'd start by testing the battery. Then use a reasonably accurate Voltmeter to measure the battery while it is running, both at idle and revved to about 3000rpm.
98 Honda Valkyrie GL1500CT Tourer
Photo of my FIL Jack, in honor of his WWII service


Chrisj CMA

Sounds like early symptoms of impending petcock failure to me.

John Schmidt

Voltage checks are quick and easy and don't involve any disassembly. What you describe however sounds more like fuel delivery issues, possibly the petcock or possibly a plugged or partially plugged vent line coming out of the back of the tank. An easy check to see if it's clear, only takes baby sized hands and 14" fingers.  ;) Next time out, try leaving the cover loose on the tank. If the problem goes away, then your vent hose is most likely the source. If not, as Chris says then I'm guessing you're a candidate for either a new petcock or cover set to repair the old one. If you replace it, consider moving away from the OEM unit, it appears to be the weak link in the fuel delivery chain on these bikes.

Jims99

I agree with John. Sounds like a fuel issue. Two things to add, make sure there's no water in fuel and check fuel line is short and straight. If too long and drops down and back up, air bubbles can cause problems. Trick to check ent line, close a tie wrap in the lid to allow air in.
The light at the end of the tunnel, is a train.
99 tourer
00 interstate
97 standard
91 wing
78 trail 70

Pluggy

Quote from: Jims99/00 on Fri 07, Jun 2024, 07:07:27
I agree with John. Sounds like a fuel issue. Two things to add, make sure there's no water in fuel and check fuel line is short and straight. If too long and drops down and back up, air bubbles can cause problems. Trick to check ent line, close a tie wrap in the lid to allow air in.
Good things to check as the fuel tank was removed when the carbs were rebuilt. The tank may have been reinstalled incorrectly. 

SunshineNomad

Check the gas tank vent. When my tank was reinstalled, the vent line was pinched and caused exactly what you posted.
"Keep thy eye on the tach, thine ears on the engine.
Lest thy whirlybits seek communion with the sun"

Chrisj CMA

Quote from: Pluggy on Fri 07, Jun 2024, 06:50:36
Gentlemen, who has a voltmeter on their Valkyrie? It seems useful. Many electrical/electronic things fail when the heat goes up. Motorcycle starter motor, Ford backup camera, and the ignition module in my old Pontiac all failed when hot and worked when cooled off. The voltage regulator in my wife's car did that, too.

A hot day and hot engine might cause the valkmc bike to stop generating while on the road. A voltmeter would tell the rider. My Valkyrie didn't came with a voltmeter, but it makes sense to install one.

Saved my butt a couple times  :cooldude:


Hook#3287

Quote from: SunshineNomad on Fri 07, Jun 2024, 08:18:13
Check the gas tank vent. When my tank was reinstalled, the vent line was pinched and caused exactly what you posted.
This. 

rug_burn

Nicely finished walnut, wow, nice.  Just keep it out of the rain.

But as to the low voltage issue on the '97 tourer...:
  That's exactly what I got, a '97 tourer, and mine is having the exact same issue- and I think is my alternator.  It runs off the battery okay, but will run it down in about an hour, and this with the LED headlight (H4), mentioned here often, which draws much less than the regular halogen one.   
   So- I charged it up to about 14.6 v. right off the charger, which is good.   Next morning it read 12.7 volts, which is normal for a good battery, and I rode it for about 45 min., where it read about 12.3 volts.  Which means it ain't charging.
  Hence, the alternator needs new brushes, at the very least... or maybe I'll just spring for a new alternator.
...insert hip saying here..

-mike-

I'm in with the tank vent being the culprit.
I'd even bet the vent hose has been pinched between tank and frame when mounting the tank back.
Don't ask why I know.....  ;D

The simple test by running the Valkyrie with a cable tie placed over  the filler cap gasket will tell the tale

-mike-

WintrSol

I always start with the low-hanging fruit: weak battery, pinched vent qualify there. Next up is bad/weak charging or petcock. First thing you know it, you're spending $$, so start cheap; it only gets more expensive.
98 Honda Valkyrie GL1500CT Tourer
Photo of my FIL Jack, in honor of his WWII service

valkmc

Quote from: WintrSol on Fri 07, Jun 2024, 15:23:43
I always start with the low-hanging fruit: weak battery, pinched vent qualify there. Next up is bad/weak charging or petcock. First thing you know it, you're spending $$, so start cheap; it only gets more expensive.

Good idea. Battery was weak so I replaced it. Charging is good and nothing is pinched. So petcock is next.

2013 Black and Red F6B (Gone)
2016 1800 Gold Wing (Gone)
1997 Valkyrie Tourer
2018 Gold Wing Non Tour