Double checking on oil filter brand change.

[Michael K (Az.)]

Now that Wally World blew off the super tech brand of filters, I needed to find a different brand if I ever planned to change my oil again! Using Jeff K's reference sheet, WW had none of the ones he mentioned. I picked up a fram 6607, a model with the same # of the old super tech. Does anyone know if this will work for me?
Thanks, Michael K.

[Hawkeye]

Actually, Honda Automotive has an excellent filter for the Element which fits the Valkyrie just right.   And the oil drain crush washer is the same for both vehicles.

[Hoser]

See this link.  Hoser
http://www.jkozloski.com/generic_parts.htm

[Chrisj CMA]

after seeing the insides. I stopped using Fram on my truck and would never put one on my bike.......cardboard where better ones have metal

[Patrick]

I don't know what the 6607 will work on ,, but,, the 6017A is used for our bikes.. That said,, I'm not sure which others will fit.. Almost all the Honda car/truck filters are the same[7317] but whether they fit the bikes is something I don't know.. I'll try to remember to check when I get a chance.. I think I remember someone saying the 3593 fit the bike but I haven't remembered to check it..

[Michael K (Az.)]

@ Hawkeye: Thanks for the Element update, maybe I'll go that way for my next filter and I haven't changed a crush washer for about 4-5 years. I have one of those brass fittings you never remove but screw on another piece that allows the oil to flow when changing.
@ Hoser: Actually, I mentioned that I used Jeffs link and couldn't find any corresponding product at Wally World so I bought what I was told is the equivalent of the Super Tech I'd been using. Subject line, just double checking before the oil flows. Thanks for responding.

@ Chrisj: That's why I'd been using the Super Tech for years. Not too happy w/ the fram, would like to know if the model I mentioned is the correct fit, tho.

@ Patrick: Yep, that's the # that Jeff's link mentioned except there was none at the WW store. the Super Tech # that I'd been using WAS 6607 but I'm sure that the same # is no criteria to follow for comfort and piece of mind.

[Michvalk]

I have been using the Fram 6017A for a couple of years. Works good for me

[pacowboy78]

I'm actually using a Baldwin filter, number B1400 or a B227 (the 227 is a higher capacity filter).  I've been using Baldwin on about everything I own for a few years now.

[Michael K (Az.)]

I'm actually using a Baldwin filter, number B1400 or a B227 (the 227 is a higher capacity filter).  I've been using Baldwin on about everything I own for a few years now.

AMAZINGLY ENOUGH!! While looking at the Baldwin page and checking closest location, it turns out they're available at Fleet Pride automotive, WHERE MY SISTER WORKS AND IS THERE RIGHT NOW!! Go figure, Thanks!!

[Thunderbolt]

Fram is not your best choice.  I don't use them on anything that I like.  Purolator is better if you don't use the Honda OEM.

[salty1]

No Frams on my bikes or vehicles. Michael WM has Purolator oil filters that will fit your bike.

[Michael K (Az.)]

You're right. Fram is not my best choice. Not my first rodeo with the idea of changing oil. I really wondered if someone could answer the question I posted. I was at WW, really! They didn't have ANY of the alternate filters identified in Jeff K's info. Really! Looks like I'll give Baldwin a try since Little Sis can hook me up, no sweat!!

[RainMaker]

Using a 7317 on my Acura TL, Honda Odyssey and the Valkyrie. All 6 banger Honda engines.

[John U.]

Advance Auto Parts has the Purolator Pure One PL16410 (which is the longer filter that fits Valks)
for 6.99 with 20% off= 5.59 for online purchases. Shipping is free for orders over 75.00 or ship to a store near you. All their stores in my area show them in stock. No affiliation, but I buy them this way since Amazon's price went up.

[Farther]

I use the same Honda filter and crush washer on my two Honda autos and the Valkyrie.
http://www.handa-accessories.com/elementmaint.html

[Patrick]

To each his own and I've said this before.. Many like to trash Fram.. We have used them for as long as I can remember and have installed thousands of them without any failures.. I sure can't say that about other filters ,, we've had some of the 'better' filters fail and unfortunately so did most of the engines..

[Rio Wil]

I believe the supertech filter is made by champion under the CL7317 number.  i just bought 6 at 2.97 each a couple of months ago.

Ya ever wonder:     what good does a oil filter really do......i don't know how small the carbon and metal particles are that float around in in the oil and make it black.  obviously the filter can't remove these or the oil would remain clear.   so does it really just filter the large particles that really probably don't exist because the oil pump and other rotating parts keep them ground up fine enough to pass through the filter.  so whats the point, does the modern engine really need a filter or is this just a dogma that we hold on to and perpetuated by the fear the filter manufacturers  foster that you will grind up rotating parts if you dont use one. there is a common opinion that a fram filter is worthless and folks have used these for hundreds of thousands of miles with no negative results......so could they just as well have used no filter and ran as many miles.... ??? ??? ???

[shooter64]

Purolator 14610
Wix 51334 or 51356
Mobil M1-110
STP S-02808
AC PF 1127 or PF 1051

I am using purolator on mine. I'm no expert, but in mechanic forums WIX is thought to be the finest that can be bought and fram the worst.

[Gryphon Rider]

Ya ever wonder:     what good does a oil filter really do......i don't know how small the carbon and metal particles are that float around in in the oil and make it black.  obviously the filter can't remove these or the oil would remain clear.   so does it really just filter the large particles that really probably don't exist because the oil pump and other rotating parts keep them ground up fine enough to pass through the filter.

Well, when I make coffee, I have hot, clean water go through finely ground coffee, then a filter, and when it comes out the bottom, my coffee is dark, but without coffee grounds in it.  If I ever make a pot for you, I'll offer to leave out the filter, 'cause, heck, the coffee's going to be dark anyway! 

[Rio Wil]

hmmmm... lets see....you induce large particles into your "oil" then you filter them out justifying the need for a filter  : not the same concept.  BTW river coffee is pretty good, throw a bunch of grounds in a pot of boiling water , let it set for 5 minutes and pour yourself a cup of sediment free brew!!!!

[JaysGone]

I believe the supertech filter is made by champion under the CL7317 number.  i just bought 6 at 2.97 each a couple of months ago.

Ya ever wonder:     what good does a oil filter really do......i don't know how small the carbon and metal particles are that float around in in the oil and make it black.  obviously the filter can't remove these or the oil would remain clear.   so does it really just filter the large particles that really probably don't exist because the oil pump and other rotating parts keep them ground up fine enough to pass through the filter.  so whats the point, does the modern engine really need a filter or is this just a dogma that we hold on to and perpetuated by the fear the filter manufacturers  foster that you will grind up rotating parts if you dont use one. there is a common opinion that a fram filter is worthless and folks have used these for hundreds of thousands of miles with no negative results......so could they just as well have used no filter and ran as many miles.... ??? ??? ???

Yes its the same filter.
I get them at Summit you can get both sizes there.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CPN-CL7317/

[98valk]

I believe the supertech filter is made by champion under the CL7317 number.  i just bought 6 at 2.97 each a couple of months ago.

Ya ever wonder:     what good does a oil filter really do......i don't know how small the carbon and metal particles are that float around in in the oil and make it black.  obviously the filter can't remove these or the oil would remain clear.   so does it really just filter the large particles that really probably don't exist because the oil pump and other rotating parts keep them ground up fine enough to pass through the filter.  so whats the point, does the modern engine really need a filter or is this just a dogma that we hold on to and perpetuated by the fear the filter manufacturers  foster that you will grind up rotating parts if you dont use one. there is a common opinion that a fram filter is worthless and folks have used these for hundreds of thousands of miles with no negative results......so could they just as well have used no filter and ran as many miles.... ??? ??? ???

u are basically correct. only way to really clean the oil is with a by-pass filter system down/below 5 micron. closest to a single filter for cleaner oil is a PURE ONE filter, 12-15 microns. I use an oversized PureOne.
see www.bobistheoilguy.com

[JaysGone]

I had a friends bike whos engine died due to a Fram filter.
The cardboard cap disintigrated and clogged up the oil pump.
He then spent the better part of 2 years proving that it was indeed the filter that screwed up his engine amd Fram was libable for a new motor.
For a few dollars more Id never go through what he did.

[Rio Wil]

so if we are all using filters that won't filter the smaller particles that cause the dark color of the oil, are we really doing any good using a filter at all. has any one ever had a used filter analyzed as to what particles it was capturing....(metallic---carbon based) and what are their sizes and ratios.....ie, 80% hydrocarbon, 20% metallic. is the failure rate of filters greater than the failure rate of using no filter? years ago, the rage was toilet paper filters that in demonstration would clean dirty oil back to pristine clarity.......never tried one and don't know how long they lasted or how easily they clogged....but was a impressive demonstration.  and out of curiosity,  what is the volume a valk oil pump puts out at say 70 psi.....5 oz or 55 oz per minute or some where in between.

[John U.]

I rely on Purolator Pure One filters and a couple of strong rare earth magnets on the outside of the filter. The magnets won't help with non-metallic grit of course.

[sugerbear]

i use the mobil1 110

[JaysGone]

I believe while not 100% sure as my memory fads on this one.
The Mobil 1, WalMart and Wix filters are all the same.
Champion made.
This had been discussed in depth on another forum back in the spring.

All these filters can be used on the Valk. Along with some others with the length of some being different with 2 different numbers.
Like the 2 Wally World and Mobil 1, 110 and 108 .
The Purolator being the best of the bunch in mosts opionions.

Amsoil ........................... (SMF103) chrome (SMF103C)
Bosch ........................... (3300) (3330) (3323)
Mobil One........................ M108
BOSCH............................3300 3323
K&N..................................KN-303
NAPA GOLD..................1358
PUROLATOR...................ML16817
STP.................................SDF13
WIX................................51358
FRAM..............................6017A
HASTINGS.....................LF-113
HI FLO...........................HF-303
EMGO............................10-82220
PER-FORM.....................J-503
Super Tech....................ST7317 (Wal-Mart)

[Blackduck]

For the doubters, good filter manufactures will supply a Beta Ratio for their filters.
This is a standard for measuring the efficiency of filter media.
It specifys how much of what size particles the filter will trap.
Google and enjoy.
The more the filter traps the better it filters up to the point it becomes clogged then the bypass valve opens and all the lovely crud goes into your bearings.
Cheers Steve

[Hoser]

Since Walmart no longer sells the Champion made Supertech, I buy mine elsewhere.  Walmart is not the only place that sells oil filters.  I usually get pureolater on line, usually about five bux apiece. half dozen at a time.  Hoser   

[Xtracho]

Can't go wrong with the Baldwin filters. We use them on the Cat 3516B turbo diesels on the boat.

[98valk]

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html


http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters

[salty1]

Thanks for the above post CA. Very informative!