Drug tests for unemployment benefits approved

[Patrick]

Do you drink alcohol or partake of any kind of stimulant or painkiller? Because if you do then you are clearly a menace doing anything outside of working a toll booth.
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I do make sure to make sure there has been at least 8 hours between bottle and throttle. That is, when the wheels are tucked in place in the wells. I can't always say that when in the car . I don't 'partake' in stimulants [except for massive quantities of alcohol] or painkillers [even though I probably should]. So, by your reasoning I am clearly a menace to society. Not many of us are as perfect as you are. But, I've made my own way until now and will continue to be a menace since I have no intention of working in a toll booth. And, I still maintain that drug testing is necessary in certain instances and my reasons have been stated.

[musclehead]

I worked at a window and door mill in the NW. you could always tell when the order file was two weeks out because we all had to submit to a 'whiz quiz'

we were two shifts back then about 1/3 of the night crew would be dirty. they had to hold their job until they wizzed clean, most never came back to work.

[wdvalk]

I agree with anvil,and I believe alcohol is a much larger problem than weed,more drunks kill people than stoned people.

[Jeff K]

I agree with anvil,and I believe alcohol is a much larger problem than weed,more drunks kill people than stoned people.

I'm guessing you have something to back that up?

[Buda]

I'm just guessing here but I think we have some people with opinions on the affects of marijuana who have never smoked it.

[wdvalk]

yup, you would just be guessing,that seems to be a problem around here.

[Jeff K]

I, from personal experience, can say with out one shred of doubt, that smoking pot does NOT make you immune from fits of rage. And coupled with the affect of alcohol, it can make someone more intoxicated on alcohol than without the marijuana. Marijuana suppresses the impulse to  vomit, making it possible to consume more alcohol than without.

And I again can say from personal experience, I have seen PLENTY of violent acts committed by people smoking pot.

This wasn't a laboratory study, it was my life.

It is NOT impossible to violent under the influence of pot.    

[wdvalk]

http://buckleupbitch.com/health/alcohol-related-deaths-compared-to-marijuana-deaths/

read this list
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death#sthash.eqAnLh1T.dpbs

less harmful than tobacco
http://www.dpft.org/alcohol.htm

how many you want?
http://blog.kashtray.com/2011/11/deaths-per-year-due-to-alcohol-vs.html

[Jeff K]

http://buckleupbitch.com/health/alcohol-related-deaths-compared-to-marijuana-deaths/

read this list
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death#sthash.eqAnLh1T.dpbs

less harmful than tobacco
http://www.dpft.org/alcohol.htm

how many you want?
http://blog.kashtray.com/2011/11/deaths-per-year-due-to-alcohol-vs.html

Funny how you make an assumption that pot smokers aren't drinking alcohol.

And some how blogs equal facts?

I can list a bunch of blogs that say drugs are bad. But i won't waste my or your time.

[wdvalk]

Funny how you make the assumption the I made that assumption,I said that weed is not as bad as alcohol.Are we defending a habit?

[Jeff K]

Funny how you make the assumption the I made that assumption,I said that weed is not as bad as alcohol.Are we defending a habit?

Impaired, is impaired. I don't want to share the road, or a job, with someone that is impaired.

I have known a lot of people on both ends. Some can't separate their habit from their jobs. But I will say that out of that experience  I know more people smoking dope at work than drinking at work.

This whole alcohol is worse than pot thing doesn't fly with me. They are both not good for work, or driving.
I've fired people for both.

[wdvalk]

No one should be impaired at work,thats a gimme,But if someone can get fired for smoking weedon their own time,then the same should go for alcohol.

[Jess from VA]

Drug testing for benefits is not to keep people from using drugs, it is to keep people from using our tax dollars to purchase drugs.

Drug testing need only be random, not 100%.  Even a small percent of total has the proper effect.  Works pretty well in the military.  However, on active duty, you don't just lose your benefits.

I traveled to lovely Sicily (Comso AS, ground launch cruise missile base) TDY to defend an airman facing court martial for a urine/weed bust.  His first question was how come he got a court martial as a first term enlisted man with a one-time use (no possession) of weed, when almost all others got only an Art. 15 (and admin discharge).  Well Airman, I cannot be certain, but I'm pretty sure it is because you personally stand guard over nuclear weapons with a loaded M16.   But , I was never high at work.  And how does you commander know that?

If there was a way to stop welfare from being spent for either drugs or alcohol (or lottery tickets, or lap dances) I'd vote for it.

[musclehead]

No one should be impaired at work,thats a gimme,But if someone can get fired for smoking weedon their own time,then the same should go for alcohol.

no, because right or wrong alcohol is legal and weed isn't (yet)

[Patrick]

I know a group that drinks a 6 pk each on their way to and from work every day. They can't drink on the job, so, on break and at lunch they smoke a joint. Not everyone abuses whatever it is that they do, but, some do. And, some do it enough to affect their job.

[fudgie]

I know a group that drinks a 6 pk each on their way to and from work every day. They can't drink on the job, so, on break and at lunch they smoke a joint. Not everyone abuses whatever it is that they do, but, some do. And, some do it enough to affect their job.

Sounds like our GM workers. 1am break they run to the bar, down a few, and hurry back to the plant.

[Romeo]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

[Rams]

Although this doesn't happen often, I tend to agree with Anvil.  (Someone please check to see it Hell has frozen over.)     Generally, most of the unemployed folks I know are trying to not lose what they've worked to gain most of their lives.   Won't say none of them are not doing drugs, I honestly don't  know.   But, that is not true of those taking advantage of all of the other entitlement programs out there.   

Many businesses already have pre-employment drug screening.   Many have random or incident specific drug screens.   No problems with that.   Pretty sure I can't support the Un-Employment Screening.   I see it as another government expense with a huge administration cost.   

I would support drug screening for anyone receiving any type of what was once called welfare.   Whether it's EBT cards, food stamps or Obama cell phones.   I would also support mandatory work to earn those "entitlements".   Personal responsibility has been thrown out the window, so many think they are entitled to free everything.   Two many have hopped on to the "free ride" wagon.  Those of us who are pushing and pulling that wagon are getting damn tired of those who won't pull there own weight.   While I do recognize that some folks in all walks of life are drug users whether they are employed or not, seeking un-employment benefits or not, I don't think this specific group deserves such scrutiny.   BTW, who decided all those extras should be called entitlements?   I take it back, personal responsibility wasn't thrown out the window, it was flushed down the public toilet.

Anyone get the temp in Hell yet? 

[The Anvil]

I agree with anvil,and I believe alcohol is a much larger problem than weed,more drunks kill people than stoned people.

I'm guessing you have something to back that up?

It's kind of a hard thing to find a metric on but I'm certain he's correct. Drunk driving death alone probably kill more people than all weed-related deaths combined.

I'm not really pro-weed either. I mean I think it should be legal, but not because I believe it's good for you or even that it's not bad for you. Chronic marijuana users annoy the hell out of me because they're typically slow-witted. I have little tolerance for slow-witted people.

But I have never met a mean stoner. I have met plenty of ornery drunks though. People who were otherwise nice but turned into instant asshole with the addition of alcohol.

[The Anvil]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

So, you would take away a basic right from someone just because they are receiving public assistance? Damn, that's some real nazi s**t right there.

[musclehead]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

So, you would take away a basic right from someone just because they are receiving public assistance? Damn, that's some real nazi s**t right there.

we could make it a choice, either vote or be on the public dole not both.

logically they would vote to continue the money train, they don't have skin in the game so why do they care?

[The Anvil]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

So, you would take away a basic right from someone just because they are receiving public assistance? Damn, that's some real nazi s**t right there.

we could make it a choice, either vote or be on the public dole not both.

logically they would vote to continue the money train, they don't have skin in the game so why do they care?

Sorry, but no. The idea that you can choose between voting and surviving is fantastical at best. I spent a chunk of my childhood on welfare and believe it or not, you don't live like a king as ignorant people would have you believe. Most people on welfare are living hand-to mouth and in fact, only a very small percentage of Americans are on it in the first place. Yes, some people abuse the system but many (like my mother) used it as a temporary means of survival. She did the best she could for me and that meant swallowing her considerable pride. I do not think she should lose the right to vote for doing so. 

I will admit to taking this a little bit personally. I took a lot of crap for my hand-me-down clothes and free lunch card. I heard it all until I split enough lips to make people think twice about calling me a "grub". Not much bugs me anymore, but this misconception that people on welfare are all living the high-life and doing all they can to keep it going is flat wrong and as someone who's walked many a mile in those shoes and not afraid to admit it I am qualified to speak on the subject.



But this obsession with degenerates has to end. There's so much envy generated for people who have no self esteem or self-respect and are content to be taken care of as infants. Let it go. Pity them if you must, but there are much, much bigger problems than welfare scammers.

[Rams]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

So, you would take away a basic right from someone just because they are receiving public assistance? Damn, that's some real nazi s**t right there.

Hal

we could make it a choice, either vote or be on the public dole not both.

logically they would vote to continue the money train, they don't have skin in the game so why do they care?

Sorry, but no. The idea that you can choose between voting and surviving is fantastical at best. I spent a chunk of my childhood on welfare and believe it or not, you don't live like a king as ignorant people would have you believe. Most people on welfare are living hand-to mouth and in fact, only a very small percentage of Americans are on it in the first place. Yes, some people abuse the system but many (like my mother) used it as a temporary means of survival. She did the best she could for me and that meant swallowing her considerable pride. I do not think she should lose the right to vote for doing so.  

I will admit to taking this a little bit personally. I took a lot of crap for my hand-me-down clothes and free lunch card. I heard it all until I split enough lips to make people think twice about calling me a "grub". Not much bugs me anymore, but this misconception that people on welfare are all living the high-life and doing all they can to keep it going is flat wrong and as someone who's walked many a mile in those shoes and not afraid to admit it I am qualified to speak on the subject.



But this obsession with degenerates has to end. There's so much envy generated for people who have no self esteem or self-respect and are content to be taken care of as infants. Let it go. Pity them if you must, but there are much, much bigger problems than welfare scammers.

I think I understand where you're coming from and I'll try to keep that in mind the next time the lady down the road offers me the opportunity to purchase her EBT card at half it's value so she can go get her fix.   Don't get me wrong.   I have no issue with a helping hand but, most of what I see now is not what it was thirty years ago.   I see it all the time here.  They teach each other on how to scam the system.   Personal responsibility has been flushed down the toilet.   I'm not saying there aren't folks in need that just need that helping hand but every well eventually runs dry and the draw on this well is overwhelming the ground water's ability to refill it.
What once was has mutated into a monster.
Edited to clarify.    

[WayneH]

[musclehead]

Welfare and UE are two different things, as mentioned before. I also believe welfare recipients should lose there right to vote, for all the obvious reasons.

So, you would take away a basic right from someone just because they are receiving public assistance? Damn, that's some real nazi s**t right there.

we could make it a choice, either vote or be on the public dole not both.

logically they would vote to continue the money train, they don't have skin in the game so why do they care?

Sorry, but no. The idea that you can choose between voting and surviving is fantastical at best. I spent a chunk of my childhood on welfare and believe it or not, you don't live like a king as ignorant people would have you believe. Most people on welfare are living hand-to mouth and in fact, only a very small percentage of Americans are on it in the first place. Yes, some people abuse the system but many (like my mother) used it as a temporary means of survival. She did the best she could for me and that meant swallowing her considerable pride. I do not think she should lose the right to vote for doing so. 

I will admit to taking this a little bit personally. I took a lot of crap for my hand-me-down clothes and free lunch card. I heard it all until I split enough lips to make people think twice about calling me a "grub". Not much bugs me anymore, but this misconception that people on welfare are all living the high-life and doing all they can to keep it going is flat wrong and as someone who's walked many a mile in those shoes and not afraid to admit it I am qualified to speak on the subject.



But this obsession with degenerates has to end. There's so much envy generated for people who have no self esteem or self-respect and are content to be taken care of as infants. Let it go. Pity them if you must, but there are much, much bigger problems than welfare scammers.

then why oh why did they have to stop the ability to use EBT cards at strip clubs and casinos?
there are alot of people gaming the system. am I wrong?
I was brought up in a military household, poor is the term I'd use to describe it....

[musclehead]

I do believe this was halted before the actual stats could be established. there are probably around 8% of the general population on drugs that average should translate to those on welfare also.

random drug testing should be enough to deter those seeking our money.

[Kep]

If you are unemployed and/or on welfare..you should NOT be spending your money on Illegal drugs ! If you have money to spend on Illegal drugs , then you don't need unemployement and/or welfare...simple as that !!

[The Anvil]

then why oh why did they have to stop the ability to use EBT cards at strip clubs and casinos?
there are alot of people gaming the system. am I wrong?
I was brought up in a military household, poor is the term I'd use to describe it....

Yes there are abusers and I said as much. Did I ever argue that the abusers do not exist?

[The Anvil]

If you are unemployed and/or on welfare..you should NOT be spending your money on Illegal drugs ! If you have money to spend on Illegal drugs , then you don't need unemployement and/or welfare...simple as that !!

I don't think that's in doubt.

[Oss]

what galls me is when I am in Court and the tenant is getting all kinds of welfare, goes out and leases a Lexus and a big screen TV while not paying the rent so the system then gives her thousands more to keep from being evicted.

Taking the right to vote?  Heck I dont even think most felons should lose the right to vote unless they either killed or raped someone. 

I dont have the answers.  Welfare is there as a safety net.  It works as long as the person receiving it
has the gumption to want to better themselves without stealing from the rest of us.

My hat is off to Anvil's mom, she must have been a real good influence on Jamie as he seems to have turned out ok, if a little rough around the edges, like most of us.

The price on Wayne's graph for cost of testing reflects a lack of competitive bidding on the tests IMHO
A test should not cost more than a dollar for crack cocaine or heroin in mass dose orders, Someone made money off the system in florida (big surprise  it is florida)

[Patrick]

I'm not sure why or if it should be a given right for folks to vote. In the early years of our country only 21 yr old free landowning white Protestant males could vote.

[Patrick]

Right now in Florida there is a program called Access Florida where 'navigators?' are advertising for folks to come in and apply or check if they qualify for benefits from appr 11 government agencies.
Law enforcement in that state also seem to having issues with so many EBT cards being recovered during drug busts.
As anti-authority as I am, I'm still in favor of drug testing. There was a time when I was subject to random testing. As stupid as I thought that was, I really didn't have a problem with it.

[RP#62]

Umm, what kind of drugs do they want you to test?

-RP

[crow]

Thank you Anvil,   you get it!