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Never have hit an old man...but for this POS I would make an exception

Started by Xtracho, Wed 30, Jul 2014, 09:13:45

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OK, maybe I'm slow but, what old man are you talking about making an exception of and why?
If you're talking about Jessie Ventura, the jury says he was wronged.    If you're talking about the dead guy......................    Sorry but, I'm confused.

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This is America. Anyone can sue about anyone. The jury has spoken, so, they must be right.         [ After-al, OJ didn't do it].


I'm not a big fan of Ventura, and, I don't think I would have sued if put in a similar position, but, I don't know everything about this case. I remember Kyle stating when he punched Ventura that he then turned and ran like crazy. I guess Ventura claims that never happened, but, couldn't let it go.

Xtracho

Obviously Ventura...Kyle wasn't an old man when he was gunned down in February of last year. Neutralize and escape....not a move unkown to those trained in battle.

Jury says he was wronged....fine....then let Ventura be the better man and donate his "award" to Wounded Warriors. I seriously doubt that will happen though.

And as far as reclaiming his "good name"? He has a better chance of being canonized than that ever happening.
Mark

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then let Ventura be the better man and donate his "award" to Wounded Warriors.

He says he is going to donate his "award" to his lawyer's fees...

-Mike

cookiedough

face it, ventura needed the money and he decided to sue and won unjustly.

He's an ex-wrestler, ex-movie star, and ex-governor (politician), what do you expect better?

All Ventura is and always has been a loud mouth looking out for only himself.

My .02 cents for what's it about worth.

Patrick

Quote from: Xtracho on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 10:40:14
Obviously Ventura...Kyle wasn't an old man when he was gunned down in February of last year. Neutralize and escape....not a move unkown to those trained in battle.

Jury says he was wronged....fine....then let Ventura be the better man and donate his "award" to Wounded Warriors. I seriously doubt that will happen though.

And as far as reclaiming his "good name"? He has a better chance of being canonized than that ever happening.

Yup, or, better yet, just forget the verdict now and let it go. Don't take any money or give it back to Kyle's family, whatever it takes. Maybe, Ventura will be a man and just the win and move on without compensation.





That's a good suggestion and I to would like to see him donate the money to such an organization. I believe Wounded Warriors is a good organization. I think that would go a long way to improve his image.

Bigdog

Jesse took 1.8 million from the widow and children of a Navy Seal American Hero.

Because of what ?  hurt feelings  screw him


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Willow

Quote from: cookiedough on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 11:11:00
face it, ... and won unjustly.

All Ventura is and always has been a loud mouth looking out for only himself.

My .02 cents for what's it about worth.  

Some folks didn't bother to read before commenting.  

I don't particularly like Jesse Ventura, but he served as a SEAL (Whatever our exposure to him has been afterward). C'dough, your two cents is overpriced.

The suit was not over his being sucker punched (which Kyle claimed he did) but over being slandered by what the jury agreed he didn't say.

As to taking money from the hero's widow, he was awarded 1.8 million dollars of a book that earned many more millions of dollars.

Do I like the man?  No.

Would I have sued for the damages?  No, but then I'm not a public figure dependent upon making money from my public image.

Would I punch him?  Likely not, but then it's been a few years since I punched anyone.

Was I on the jury?  No and I didn't hear all the evidence.

Would you punch each of the members of the jury as well?

Xtracho

Quote from: Willow on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 12:25:13
Quote from: cookiedough on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 11:11:00
face it, ... and won unjustly.

All Ventura is and always has been a loud mouth looking out for only himself.

My .02 cents for what's it about worth. 

Some folks didn't bother to read before commenting. 

I don't particularly like Jesse Ventura, but he served as a SEAL (Whatever our exposure to him has been afterward). C'dough, your two cents is overpriced.

The suit was not over his being sucker punched (which Kyle claimed he did) but over being slandered by what the jury agreed he didn't say.

As to taking money from the hero's widow, he was awarded 1.8 million dollars of a book that earned many more millions of dollars.

Do I like the man?  No.

Would I have sued for the damages?  No, but then I'm not a public figure dependent upon making money from my public image.

Would I punch him?  Likely not, but then it's been a few years since I punched anyone.

Was I on the jury?  No and I didn't hear all the evidence.

Would you punch each of the members of the jury as well?

Useless rhetorical questions aside...11 witnesses testified that the incident did in fact happen as Kyle recounted in his book. Ventura outed himself after the book was printed. He was never mentioned by name in the text (did you even read the book?).

The source of the money to pay the judgment is irrelevant entirely. The narrow instructions given the jury by the judge in this case beg for an appeal, which will most likely happen.

The only good thing to come out of this is that Ventura has effectively made himself a pariah to his former brothers in arms from the Navy UDT and SEAL fraternities.

Would I punch Ventura? In a New York minute.

The final question is just ridiculous on its face.
Mark

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Willow

Quote from: Xtracho on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 15:47:36
Quote from: Willow on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 12:25:13
Quote from: cookiedough on Wed 30, Jul 2014, 11:11:00
face it, ... and won unjustly.

All Ventura is and always has been a loud mouth looking out for only himself.

My .02 cents for what's it about worth. 

Some folks didn't bother to read before commenting. 

I don't particularly like Jesse Ventura, but he served as a SEAL (Whatever our exposure to him has been afterward). C'dough, your two cents is overpriced.

The suit was not over his being sucker punched (which Kyle claimed he did) but over being slandered by what the jury agreed he didn't say.

As to taking money from the hero's widow, he was awarded 1.8 million dollars of a book that earned many more millions of dollars.

Do I like the man?  No.

Would I have sued for the damages?  No, but then I'm not a public figure dependent upon making money from my public image.

Would I punch him?  Likely not, but then it's been a few years since I punched anyone.

Was I on the jury?  No and I didn't hear all the evidence.

Would you punch each of the members of the jury as well?

Useless rhetorical questions aside...11 witnesses testified that the incident did in fact happen as Kyle recounted in his book. Ventura outed himself after the book was printed. He was never mentioned by name in the text (did you even read the book?).

The source of the money to pay the judgment is irrelevant entirely. The narrow instructions given the jury by the judge in this case beg for an appeal, which will most likely happen.

The only good thing to come out of this is that Ventura has effectively made himself a pariah to his former brothers in arms from the Navy UDT and SEAL fraternities.

Would I punch Ventura? In a New York minute.

The final question is just ridiculous on its face. 

I didn't read Chris Kyle's book.  I did read the linked article and a few other news stories I could find on the case.   A of the stories indicated that Ventura was not named in the book but that Chris Kyle had specifically identified him as Scruff Face in subsequent public interviews.

I couldn't find the news stories that indicated 11 witnesses had confirmed the quotes took place.  My information is certainly behind yours on that issue.

The source of the money comment, Xtracho, was not directed at you but at others who stated their anger was over taking the money from Kyle's widow.

I really thought the last of my questions was most meaningful.  The jury not only found Chris Kyle guilty but they were the ones who were tasked with and decided upon the 1.8 million dollar award.  I can't see that it makes sense to be deeply angry with Ventura without also being angry with those who actually awarded the 1.8.

Once more let me emphasize that I don't particularly like Jesse Ventura nor am I overly fond of our legal system that awards large fiscal sums for no physical harm.

It's not really that big a deal to me.  I do hope the publicity results in more books sold for Chris Kyle's widow.