PETCOCK REBUILD

[brampton6626]

2000 I/S  25 K  MILES   WINTER/SNOW ON GROUND/ 0 DEGREES,   DO I REBUILD PETCOCK, BUY PINGEL, LEAVE VACUUM SHUTOFF HOOKED UP. SEEMS LIKE PETCOCK  WOULD NOT SHUT GAS  OFF WHEN RIDING  LAST SUMMER, WILL TAKE TANK OFF AND CHECK, SEEMS LIKE I COULD RIDE  TOO FAR WITH PETCOCK IN OFF POSITION. I NORMALLY SHUT GAS OFF WHEN I STOP, SO COULD GO WITH PINGEL W/O VACUUM. JUST WONDERING WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE. REBUILD 20 BUCKS, PINGEL 120, WITH VACUUM 220. BIG DIFFERENCE. JUST DON'T WANT  PROBLEMS.
THANKS   GUYS

[hubcapsc]

JUST DON'T WANT  PROBLEMS.

Get a non-vacuum pingel, learn to reach it, and never forget to turn it off... you'll have no problems,
unless it bothers you to have a reduced reserve range though some people braze on longer
standpipes and stuff 

Get a cover set and fix your OEM, never do anything else, do or don't turn it
off, whatever, and maybe you won't have problems  Stanley Steamer's first
rebuild didn't take and he was stranded. Other kinds of failures could
lead to a frame-off motor rebuild and/or shooting raw gas out the tailpipe.

So far I have a trouble-free OEM petcock, I'd rather have a root canal that go through
all that other stuff, don't get me started with extra fuel filters and electronic shut-offs... 

-Mike

[Attic Rat]

Just rebuild or replace your OEM petcock with OEM

[pago cruiser]

This topic can approach what seems to be oil or car tire reactions...

IMHO, +1 on the OEM.  While the Pingel is undoubtedly more reliable, in order to gain the benefit of that reliability, you MUST remember to turn it off.  Every.  Single. Time.  I'm an old school guy, and have been turning fuel taps off for over 50 years; but I still screw up occasionally.

That's the benefit of the OEM; as long as it is in good condition, if you forget, the failsafe is that fuel will not flow without vacuum. And it's easy to test; just leave the fuel tap off when you depart from home.  Or work.  Or the gas station.

The electric shutoff is also pretty reliable; until it's not.  I was once stranded several hundred miles from home when my anti-theft device electric fuel solenoid failed in a really cool 62 Ranchero a long time ago.  Luckily I had planned on just that occurrence; but it still took half a day to get to it, disconnect the fuel piping, and plumb around it. 

Just my opinion; that said, you may want to source your parts elsewhere,  The last OEM vacuum petcock I bought was a bit over $100. Try Partzilla.  Good luck, and Happy New Year!      

[BobB]

To Pingel or not to Pingel, that is the question.  One more Valk rider with the OEM petcock.  I just test it out every year and have a cover set available.

[Ricky-D]

On the question regarding a Pingle petcock.

So you forget to turn it off once and a while.

That really is no big deal because the floats in

the carburetors should save you.  Actually you

could never turn the gas off and nothing could

happen. There is nothing guaranteed you'll

have a hydrolock. And visa-versa.

***

[CoachDoc]

I'd like to have the rebuild kit for the OEM petcock on hand just in case. Anybody have a part number for it?

[Bone]

I have a kit with a few years on the shelf. Funny thing is I believe the part number has changed since I bought this kit.
You will have to look up the number to be sure.

[hubcapsc]

On the question regarding a Pingle petcock.

So you forget to turn it off once and a while.

That really is no big deal because the floats in

the carburetors should save you. 

That is the bottom line I think... if you forget to turn off your non-vacuum petcock,
gas might get past one or more of the carbs.

Someone posted once that you can test for a leaking carb by taking the intake runners
off and watch to see if there's any drips... sounds reasonable to me... I've never seen
any dripping gas when I've had my intake runners off to change the O-rings...

16953-mbz-b51 still seems to be the right cover-set part number...

-Mike

[strawbobrob]

Reluctant expert is recommending a new oem petcock but respects the other opinions out there which espouse the pingle and electric shutoff options.  I was disappointed in the rebuild kit which also "didnt take" as my problem lay in the sealed portion of the peacock which can't be addressed unless you drill out the rivets.  Also the filter screen becomes brittle over time.   So for bout $125 I replaced the oem at 100,000 and now have 115 with no problems.  The oem is not foolproof so lots of valid opinions.

[salty1]

My preference would be a new OEM petcock. FWIW
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-16950-MZ0-033.html

[valkyriemc]

Vacuum Pingle, never looked back. If I forget to turn it off (rare) it does it for me. Maybe 5 years now can't recall. It is more work and money but I'm satisfied. Search can help. G/L 

[Gryphon Rider]

If the petcock doesn't stop fuel from flowing when in the off position, the sealed "manual" side of the valve isn't working as it should, and there is no rebuild kit to fix this.

[O-B-1]

What about this one? $52

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Fuel-Petcock-Valve-Shut-off-Switch-GL1500C-GL1500CD-GL1500CT-16950-MZ0-033-/121502803958?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

I have the same problem as the original poster. My Phat Gurl will run at 60MPH without misfire with the fuel petcock in the OFF position (fuel starves above 60MPH).
This is aftermarket, but looking at it, has screws in the side opposite the vacuum instead of rivets...
Got me thinking... I know... It's not genuine Honda OEM, won't work, etc.
I may just give it a whirl, what the hey?

[The emperor has no clothes]

What about this one? $52

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Fuel-Petcock-Valve-Shut-off-Switch-GL1500C-GL1500CD-GL1500CT-16950-MZ0-033-/121502803958?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

I have the same problem as the original poster. My Phat Gurl will run at 60MPH without misfire with the fuel petcock in the OFF position (fuel starves above 60MPH).
This is aftermarket, but looking at it, has screws in the side opposite the vacuum instead of rivets...
Got me thinking... I know... It's not genuine Honda OEM, won't work, etc.
I may just give it a whirl, what the hey?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-New-Gas-Fuel-Valve-Petcock-for-HONDA-1997-2003-GL1500-C-Valkyrie-OEM-H69/2038771328.html
I bought this a few months ago to have as a spare. The filter is longer than stock and I dont know if it will fit. It also has the rivets replaced with screws. It looks the same as the one you linked on ebay. Haven`t used it so I can`t vouch for it, but i figured for $20 and free shipping it was worth a shot. It did take a long time to get here though.

[Hoser]

JUST DON'T WANT  PROBLEMS.

Get a non-vacuum pingel, learn to reach it, and never forget to turn it off... you'll have no problems,
unless it bothers you to have a reduced reserve range though some people braze on longer
standpipes and stuff 

Get a cover set and fix your OEM, never do anything else, do or don't turn it
off, whatever, and maybe you won't have problems  Stanley Steamer's first
rebuild didn't take and he was stranded. Other kinds of failures could
lead to a frame-off motor rebuild and/or shooting raw gas out the tailpipe.

So far I have a trouble-free OEM petcock, I'd rather have a root canal that go through
all that other stuff, don't get me started with extra fuel filters and electronic shut-offs... 

-Mike

Pingle is the way to go. JMHO  Hoser

[Ricky-D]

Makes me chuckle when I observe riders spending hundreds on

sparkle and glitter for their Valkyries but when it come to

maintenance of the bike, it always wants to be on the cheap.

***

[O-B-1]

Makes me chuckle when I observe riders spending hundreds on

sparkle and glitter for their Valkyries but when it come to

maintenance of the bike, it always wants to be on the cheap.

***

I haven't bought a lot of farkles... chrome is too expensive... LOL. Hell, I think tires are way to expensive when I ride away from the dealer $750.00 lighter for tires... I can get four of them for my truck for that! I will be doing my own work this time round. They didn't even grease the drive splines, AFTER I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED IT, during the tire change.

I just feel that for the price of a Pingel they could have made it work with the selector knob so you don't have to bend down and find the damn thing halfway under the bike... Just saying... Quality or some kind of overpriced jury rigging?

For being the flagship cruiser, Honda could have done a better job at their OEM petcock. What makes it so good that it is worth $120.00? Especially when everyone is replacing them with some other manufacturer's petcock and living without the right amount of reserve fuel? I like paying what it is worth, rather than being bent over at the waist at the stealership.

Some have money to throw away... But chuckle away, some are easily amused...

[JohnG]

2001 Valk, I purchased a peacock from Peakmoto Powersports for $65 02/08/2019. Haven't had a problem. It has a drain to let you know when the diafram is leaking. I test it once a year, it will not deliver fuel until the engine applies vacuum no matter what its set on,off or res. It's made by K&L part# 18-4161.

[Steel cowboy]

I went with this type of petcock that doesn't use vacuum, simple on off and reserve. Your stock chrome dial will work on it too. It's a simple replacement no modification needed other than capping off the vacuum line.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201542398312

[luftkoph]

Tale of two petcocks, I like the solid quality of the  Pingle, but not the small capacity left on reserve, which if anyone would like to know on a standard/tourer its only 5/8th of a gallon or 2.5 liters that doesn't get a Valkyrie very far down the road.

  So on a bike for traveling it has OEM, on the one for local riding where you know every gas station, that bike has a Pingle.

[yrunvs]

When I switched over to a pingle petcock I filled my gas tank then strapped a 2 gallon gas can to my passenger seat and took off. I rode some stop and go but mostly highway speed limit and got 165 miles on the main tank and 16 miles on reserve before running out. So now I know approximately how far I should expect to go on a tank of gas....181 miles. 

[Avanti]

Change the tube height.

[Chrisj CMA]

Tale of two petcocks, I like the solid quality of the  Pingle, but not the small capacity left on reserve, which if anyone would like to know on a standard/tourer its only 5/8th of a gallon or 2.5 liters that doesn't get a Valkyrie very far down the road.

  So on a bike for traveling it has OEM, on the one for local riding where you know every gas station, that bike has a Pingle.

Don't rely on the reserve. Learn how many miles your bike can do and use the trip meter. A larger reserve doesn't give you more fuel it just cuts in earlier. Manage your fuel and you don't need a reserve

[hubcapsc]

One of the numerous reasons I'd never get a pingel valve
is how pathetic the reserve amount is. Everyone doesn't
like them.

-Mike

[John Schmidt]

I like the Pingel, been trouble free for many years and is the non-vacuum type. I know a lot of people feel using an inline filter is a no-no, I've had one in place since I installed the Pingel, plus I also have the Dan Marc electric shut off. All have been trouble free for more than a dozen years. Reason I have the inline filter is because I extended the pick-up tube to closely match the OEM petcock. In doing so the filter screen that fits down over the pickup was too short and the OEM filter didn't fit. I went to a hobby shop and got some fuel line that just slipped over the Pingel pickup, sanded the two mating pieces and soldered them together like you would copper pipe when installing a water heater. This was done after the second rebuild of the OEM petcock went south in just a few months.

Here's the Pingel after extending the pickup tube. I have a fuel gauge and it will get down to well under 1/4 tank before needing to go to reserve. The reserve itself is comparable to OEM but I always did as was suggested; know your bike and go by the odometer. They didn't have fuel gauges when I started riding so you learn quickly to become familiar with your ride.
http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_18944/Pingel%20fix.jpg

[Valker]

I like my Pingel also. I have one on two of my Valks. Main bike has had one for WELL over 100,000 miles.

[Cholla]

I went with this type of petcock that doesn't use vacuum, simple on off and reserve. Your stock chrome dial will work on it too. It's a simple replacement no modification needed other than capping off the vacuum line.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201542398312

I've got one coming Will post pics when it arrives & I have it installed... Thank you

Update 11/12/21
Added pic below comparing K&L 18-4133 to OEM. Perfect fit. Reserve tube is 1/2" shorter which is
no biggy... It came with a screen also, but removed it for the pic. Thanks Steel Cowboy

[Madmike]

I went with this type of petcock that doesn't use vacuum, simple on off and reserve. Your stock chrome dial will work on it too. It's a simple replacement no modification needed other than capping off the vacuum line.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201542398312

I've got one coming Will post pics when it arrives & I have it installed... Thank you

Update 11/12/21
Added pic below comparing K&L 18-4133 to OEM. Perfect fit. Reserve tube is 1/2" shorter which is
no biggy... It came with a screen also, but removed it for the pic. Thanks Steel Cowboy





They do make a direct replacement that is vacuum actuated as well if someone wants that.

[Rio Wil]

I have the vacuum version of this one for almost 2 years and just added a vacuum restrictor/snubber to help protect the diaphragm......should last forever...

[jdp]

I would get an OEM Honda Petcocks I replaced one with no vacuum line to it and had no issues but I sold the bike to my brother in law and I guess he didn't understand the important part of making sure it was off and he filled the motor up with gas( wasn't off all the way ) guess it seeped by the float seat and filled the motor up with gas , lucky he caught it in time but could have been bad news so I would just get or repair the stock Petcocks and be done with it , still get in a habit of shutting off the valve.