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The mother of all leaky shifter seals.

Started by Fudd, Thu 07, May 2015, 14:02:31

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Fudd

I can remember a couple years ago, seeing about 4 or maybe 5 drops of oil under my shift lever and freaking out.  I made haste to replace the offending part in short order and regligated the incident to a nearly forgotten memory.

Then last night, I responded to a call saying that my nephew's rarely ridden garage queen Valkyrie had an oil leak.  Really weird, this bike that has sat peacefully in a corner of a carport just starts leaking oil PROFUSELY!  Not a soul has touched it in a month.

When I got the call, the puddle was reportedly no more than a few inches in diameter.  Then I get there to see what all the fuss is about, and find that half the carport is covered with oil!  At least two quarts on the floor.

For some reason, I thought that the shifting mechanism was fed oil under pressure from the oil pump.  That was my assumption anyway. 

So I'm wondering, has anyone ever burned up an engine from oil starvation from a gear shifter seal failing catastrophically?   


Save a horse, ride a Valkyrie

The emperor has no clothes

Something doesn't add up. I can't imagine that much coming out the shifter shaft.

sandy

Does he have Harley friends playing a prank on him?

Tfrank59

Yeah I don't think even with no shifter seal would it pour out that much oil – but who knows.  Sounds like something else is going on there – time to get underneath and see where the real source of the oil is.  Let us know what you learn.
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

R J



I'd almost bet some one if playing with him.

Pouring a little oil on the floor for grins, and watching his reaction.

You said it was on a carport, so anything is possible.
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Daniel Meyer

Maybe the crankcase is filling up with gas or something?

Shifter seal won't leak that much if all is normal...heck, it doesn't leak that much when it's removed!
CUAgain,
Daniel Meyer

R J



Grab the dipstick and take a reading of the oil level, smell it to see if you can come up with a gas smell, and or overfull.

If so, fix it before ya ride it.
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F6BANGER

Get a clean oil pan and drain the oil into it. It there is 4 quarts, someone is messing with him and put the oil back in the bike. If there isnt 4 quarts, there is a problem. Also, like the rest said, smell the oil for gas.

Fudd

I just moved the bike for the first time away from the spill.  No oil on the dipstick.  No gasoline smell in the crankcase or in the puddle on the ground.  I can clearly see oil dripping from the shifter seal after I repositioned the bike elsewhere.

I have pictures on my phone, but I can't post them on here because of an email attachment downloading glitch.


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Farther

Well, if it is the shifter seal then at least it is an easy fix.
Thanks,
~Farther

Punisher

I agree, hard to believe that much oil would come out of the shifter seal unless something else is wrong.

Are you sure it's not coming from somewhere else and just happens to be dripping off the bike at the shifter shaft?    I know if you pull the water pump without draining oil first you'll have a big mess on your hands.   Clean it all good with a degreaser and then start watching for the oil trail.

Firefighter

Can't imagine that much oil, drain plug? Clean it and fill it back up and watch I guess?
2000 Valkyrie Interstate, Black/Red
2006 Honda Sabre 1100
2013 Honda Spirit 750
2002 Honda Rebel 250
1978 Honda 750

DK

Is it possible that coolant froze during the winter & opened a crack somewhere in the case to allow the leak?

Oil is missing from the crankcase. Is coolant also missing?

Dan
Machinery has a mysterious soul and a mind of its own.

Pappy!

I see you're from Louisiana.......probably one of those Nutros (big ass rats) you have down there making a  meal out of the seal !
Little levity there........

DK

Is the shifter shaft low enough for that much oil to drain out?

Dan
Machinery has a mysterious soul and a mind of its own.

Tfrank59

Quote from: Fudd on Thu 07, May 2015, 14:02:31
I can remember a couple years ago, seeing about 4 or maybe 5 drops of oil under my shift lever and freaking out.  I made haste to replace the offending part in short order and regligated the incident to a nearly forgotten memory.

Then last night, I responded to a call saying that my nephew's rarely ridden garage queen Valkyrie had an oil leak.  Really weird, this bike that has sat peacefully in a corner of a carport just starts leaking oil PROFUSELY!  Not a soul has touched it in a month.

When I got the call, the puddle was reportedly no more than a few inches in diameter.  Then I get there to see what all the fuss is about, and find that half the carport is covered with oil!  At least two quarts on the floor.

For some reason, I thought that the shifting mechanism was fed oil under pressure from the oil pump.  That was my assumption anyway. 

So I'm wondering, has anyone ever burned up an engine from oil starvation from a gear shifter seal failing catastrophically?   



Did you ever find out what was going on with this?  I'm very curious.
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...