I have I guess a dumb question

[DIGGER]

I believe that people are born they way they are born.  I don't believe that people chose to be homosexual. 

With the utmost of respect, Putting "I believe" in front of a statement doesn't make it more truthful or meaningful. You are simply stating your opinion.

Facts are that science has found that there is nothing other than social, and environmental factors that pertain to Homosexuality. Please find so in the link to the article below.

http://www.psychiatry.org/lgbt-sexual-orientation

As Willow stated.. If people were just born that way then brace yourself because soon will be a day that a Pedophile, or a Necrophiliac, etc moves in across the street from you. And because they were just born that way you will have to accept them the same as everyone else. I am glad science has proven this one because I and the rest of our society are not ready for that day to come.

Yep, it's my opinion....nothing more.  However, I've witnessed it first hand.  I knew Danny from when we were toddlers.  He was the way he was from birth. 

Danny's social, and environmental factors were no different from the rest of us that grew up in small town America where mom, baseball and apple pie ruled the day.  His mom was a church going god fearing woman, his sister was veeeery hetro  as was his brother and his dad was a man's man sorta guy.  He couldn't have been any different from the rest of his family if he tried.  He grew up going to vacation bible school in the summers. 

Yes, it's my opinion, but Danny was born the way he was born.  He definitely didn't chose to be different....he just was. Little kids don't know enough to chose to be different.  It's just the way he was. 

You can find "facts that are science" to support any point of view.  Science is not always correct....it's just science and it makes mistakes.....just like nature does. 

saw a poll once.    said 60 percent of homsexuals were just born that way.
the other 40 percent were sucked into it.

[Willow]

For those that feel that people aren't born one way or another but have learned or chosen their behavior from their social and environmental factors....or whatever, I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if one of your children were homosexual. 

Knowing how you brought them up, would you still feel that they learned that behavior or are they born that way?

Yes. It's none of your business but I speak from experience.

Just to clear up position.  Environmental influence certainly can and does occur early enough that individual choice is not involved.  Behavior is where choice involved.  That would be true for all of us, not just people with an attraction to homosexual behavior.

[Chrisj CMA]

For those that feel that people aren't born one way or another but have learned or chosen their behavior from their social and environmental factors....or whatever, I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if one of your children were homosexual. 

Knowing how you brought them up, would you still feel that they learned that behavior or are they born that way?

Yes. It's none of your business but I speak from experience.

Just to clear up position.  Environmental influence certainly can and does occur early enough that individual choice is not involved.  Behavior is where choice involved.  That would be true for all of us, not just people with an attraction to homosexual behavior.

Carl its a beautiful thing when someone (like yourself) can use so few words to state something so complex.  That's exactly right "behavior is where choice is involved"  That's perfect!   

[Jess from VA]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).  And the number of extremely early age cases seem to strongly support a genetics explanation (though these are clearly a small minority of all cases).  But in actually researching and reading the available material, it is noteworthy that with all the genetics, DNA, yada advances in science there have been, no gay gene or other biological indicator has ever been discovered.

One also discovers that virtually all gay activists support the genetics origin (as it is much more legitimizing to their cause), and those on the other side solidly support the choice origin.

Disregarding emotional commitments, there is certainly no clear science supporting a genetic origin (even though it seems a naturally logical explanation).

It may be a combination of genetics and socialization, but I no longer believe it is pure genetic predisposition.

[Robert]

Homosexuality is a sin, but we all sin, one sin is no better than another, So accept the sinner and hate the sin. It can be learned and formed in kids especially when young and formative and learning. There is no gay gene in fact that if you research the whole gay issue. Declaring gays normal is the cause of one psychiatrist declaring gays ok so as to attain homosexuality as not a mental illness according to classification in the psychiatric manual. You could say that one man went against years of studies and changed society so now we have gay marriage and the acceptance of gays as normal. The classification in effect does not declare gays normal but rewrites the book and says if you are ok being gay then your ok. Secular Humanism at its finest also done for insurance companies and the medical field. This reclassification is also being done with gay marriage and is also done with deception. It is a total reclassification of marriage as defined in the US apart from the classification understood now which is why the Supreme Court is having to grapple with this issue.   

Let me just state also that while all are being moved to affirm homosexual relationships the real unseen problem is that this acknowledgement weather or not you agree will make criminals of those who do not agree or make criminals of churches that want to teach and affirm the Bible. We see it in Texas and we see it in a small bakery. If you look at the language of the hate crimes bills you will see a very disturbing pattern. You have to wonder if it was put in place with the understanding that this issue was coming up and force and remove freedom of speech and freedom of conscience issues. While we question with our hearts these laws force upon each and every person regardless of conscience behavior and programing thinking patterns. I am against this pattern of forced acceptance of long held beliefs and patterns that have proven to work.

[MP]

Seems like at least quite a few are born that way, some maybe not.

Not sure if all genetics.  Lots of other factors involved.  Hormones, development, etc.

Look at other things.

I have known several families, and hear of others, where 5, or whatever, kids grow up to be doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, etc.  Yet, there is one Black Sheep in the family, who is always in trouble, and winds up being a mass murderer, or some other such.

WHY is that one so different?  Same genes, same upbringing, etc.

I do not know the answer.

MP

[DarkSideR]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous.  

I take the question a little differently. I see it as : Why would someone choose a position that is looked down on, harassed, have violence committed against them. To me it's pretty simple, I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I could no more change that than I could become a black man.

[Robert]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous. 

Whats a irony is you bringing this to everyone's attention as being a broad statement condemning a segment in society when in a personal context as with any choice in life some don't see any value in a choice. I don't find any value in being homosexual either so like the whole movement are you going to condemn me also? Personally I find that in this issue its the gay agenda that is on the attack and not the other way around. Most of society although maybe not wanting the changes has accepted them so I find this sometimes militant and sometimes underdog attitude is wearing pretty thin. I am also somewhat dismayed in society that 3 percent of the population has made cultural, social and legal changes that affect everyone and no one has done more than they have. This is why I hold a dim hope that the changes being done by gov are going to get reversed or stopped.

[DarkSideR]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous.  

I take the question a little differently. I see it as : Why would someone choose a position that is looked down on, harassed, have violence committed against them. To me it's pretty simple, I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I could no more change that than I could become a black man.

To be very blunt. being African American is genetic, and it has been proven that Homosexuality is not.(<-----that is a period there) Looking at the facts there is NO science to support your claim.

There are now many people who have come forward who are homosexual but have chosen to not act on it. They made the choice to marry the opposite sex. This proves once and for all that if it is a choice for these people it is a choice for everyone.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous.  

I take the question a little differently. I see it as : Why would someone choose a position that is looked down on, harassed, have violence committed against them. To me it's pretty simple, I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I could no more change that than I could become a black man.

To be very blunt. being African American is genetic, and it has been proven that Homosexuality is not.(<-----that is a period there) Looking at the facts there is NO science to support your claim.

There are now many people who have come forward who are homosexual but have chosen to not act on it. They made the choice to marry the opposite sex. This proves once and for all that if it is a choice for these people it is a choice for everyone.

You might be right, I'm no expert on the subject. As far as someone who is gay and chooses to marry the opposite sex. I would imagine they did it because of society's frowning on being gay and wanting to fit in. That doesn't make them any less gay. I just come at it from my personal experiences. I have been attracted to girls since I was a little kid, nothing I could do about it. I have 2 brothers and a sister. 1 of my brothers is gay, he was raised exactly the same as the rest of us in every way yet he has been gay all his life.

[G-Man]

Does anyone else see the irony in the statement "I don't know why someone would choose to be Homosexual"?

Meaning; we all know it's wrong, and why would someone choose to be wrong. I find that rather humorous.  

I take the question a little differently. I see it as : Why would someone choose a position that is looked down on, harassed, have violence committed against them. To me it's pretty simple, I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I could no more change that than I could become a black man.

To be very blunt. being African American is genetic, and it has been proven that Homosexuality is not.(<-----that is a period there) Looking at the facts there is NO science to support your claim.

There are now many people who have come forward who are homosexual but have chosen to not act on it. They made the choice to marry the opposite sex. This proves once and for all that if it is a choice for these people it is a choice for everyone.

I'll call your study.  DNA is hardcore science.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/10443/20141118/homosexuality-genetic-strongest-evidence.htm

"......according to a new and groundbreaking study recently published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which details how a study of more than 800 gay participants shared notable patterns in two regions of the human genome - one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8.
While many previous studies have looked into potential genetic drivers of homosexuality, these studies often boasted a significantly smaller sample size or lacked common controls. This is the first study of its kind to boast such a robust sample size and also be published in a scientific peer-reviewed paper."


Now you go and find a study that supports your view and then I'll find another one that supports the other view.   

[POPS 57]

I was watching T.V with my dad latter in his life. Lots of shows were now just starting to put gay people in there sitcoms. All he had to say was god created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.      I have known gay people and have had good times with them. But and this is a big but. Some of the in your face gay shots make me uncomfortable . I don't know what term you would call me. But just like gay people I can't help the way I feel.  

[DarkSideR]

The article does two things;
- #1) It admits something as quoted "Knowing this, the researchers theorized that any single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) consistently found among these men would have something to do with sexual orientation."
 *This test is Theoretical, and not conclusive.
- #2) It states what everyone already knows, as quoted "Still, the researchers stress that regardless of genetic preference, genes are but a factor in the greater picture, taking into account that social and cultural pressures can still effect an individual's sexual lifestyle, no matter how they were born."
 *This article only validates the already known facts.

Laughable that this is the "Strongest Evidence Yet".

[RainMaker]

Have you ever heard a saying or something similar to the effect, "If you tell someone something enough, whether it is right or wrong, they will eventually begin to believe it" or except it, which ever you choose?  Now keeping that thought in mind, and let's talk a little about TV, do you believe in mass hypnosis? Not talking about acting like a chicken, talking about getting you to believe what you are watching. I am just giving you the short answer!!  But if you noticed in the last several months on TV, it has been a tidal wave of them on TV shows, like it is the new fashion statement to be on a show. To me I don't really care as long as they entertain me on the show, but I understand one thing you do not. You are being conditioned for acceptance, to be the NEW NORMAL. Think back, may be a year ago, and it may not have been as common then, as it is now.  May be I am wrong!! Its just my opinion!!!

There was also a time when you didn't see black people on TV. I'm glad we have evolved a little.

I am 67yrs and as far as I can remember there were always black people on TV. Amos and Andy, Little Rascals, Bowery Boys and many movies I use to watch. May be they only showed in Detroit area. We never looked at them as being different that anyone else.

TV may have had black people on, but they were not portrayed as anything but "different tha(n) anyone else."  These actors were made into comic figures and the characters they played were unscrupulous, dim-witted, servantile and child-like.  Amos 'n Andy - really?  

[dreamaker]

I guess my objective got shot to hell! My point was, I don't like people, groups or society telling me how I should feel towards any controversy. suggestion and possibilities are fine. My feelings are mine, my opinions are mine and my choices are also mine. I don't think anyone has the right to dictate to me how I should think!!! I am not a needy person, I don't need anyone blessing, or bad advice, specially when they have more fault and I.

[BF]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).  And the number of extremely early age cases seem to strongly support a genetics explanation (though these are clearly a small minority of all cases).  But in actually researching and reading the available material, it is noteworthy that with all the genetics, DNA, yada advances in science there have been, no gay gene or other biological indicator has ever been discovered.

One also discovers that virtually all gay activists support the genetics origin (as it is much more legitimizing to their cause), and those on the other side solidly support the choice origin.

Disregarding emotional commitments, there is certainly no clear science supporting a genetic origin (even though it seems a naturally logical explanation).

It may be a combination of genetics and socialization, but I no longer believe it is pure genetic predisposition.

Jess, I'm not so sure. 

I admit that I don't know enough about it to dispute the genetics vs their brains simply being wired different....I just don't know. 

What I do know is that I've seen it first hand and know families with a gay child while having several other straight children at the same time.  They weren't influenced to be that way, they started out from birth being that way.  

I can't explain it, but I know what I've seen.  

A couple other points.....

I agree that environmental factors can influence behavior.  If you're straight when you go into prison, you won't be when you come out.  

And I agree with meathead that I am straight.  I didn't chose to be, I just am and couldn't chose to be anything else.  I looooove looking at the secretaries.  

[dreamaker]

Have you ever heard a saying or something similar to the effect, "If you tell someone something enough, whether it is right or wrong, they will eventually begin to believe it" or except it, which ever you choose?  Now keeping that thought in mind, and let's talk a little about TV, do you believe in mass hypnosis? Not talking about acting like a chicken, talking about getting you to believe what you are watching. I am just giving you the short answer!!  But if you noticed in the last several months on TV, it has been a tidal wave of them on TV shows, like it is the new fashion statement to be on a show. To me I don't really care as long as they entertain me on the show, but I understand one thing you do not. You are being conditioned for acceptance, to be the NEW NORMAL. Think back, may be a year ago, and it may not have been as common then, as it is now.  May be I am wrong!! Its just my opinion!!!

There was also a time when you didn't see black people on TV. I'm glad we have evolved a little.

I am 67yrs and as far as I can remember there were always black people on TV. Amos and Andy, Little Rascals, Bowery Boys and many movies I use to watch. May be they only showed in Detroit area. We never looked at them as being different that anyone else.

TV may have had black people on, but they were not portrayed as anything but "different tha(n) anyone else."  These actors were made into comic figures and the characters they played were unscrupulous, dim-witted, servantile and child-like.  Amos 'n Andy - really?  

Keep something in mind, if you are going to air your laundry in public, someone may notice it. I was not born or brought up in a hatred, belittling, condescending criticizing, fault finding, up bringing. I didn't see things the way you do, to me they were just entertainers that made me laugh or just enjoy watching them. In some cases they were greater than I, because they had a talent that I did not have. So the bottom line is when I watched programs with black people in it, to me they were just people, no more.

[Valkorado]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).

Blurred lines.  The more society accepts and even embraces previously taboo lifestyles, the more people will choose them as acceptable alternatives.  I'd bet Bruce Jenner has inspired more than one confused person to chop of their tallywacker -- or have one installed, as the case may be.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).  And the number of extremely early age cases seem to strongly support a genetics explanation (though these are clearly a small minority of all cases).  But in actually researching and reading the available material, it is noteworthy that with all the genetics, DNA, yada advances in science there have been, no gay gene or other biological indicator has ever been discovered.

One also discovers that virtually all gay activists support the genetics origin (as it is much more legitimizing to their cause), and those on the other side solidly support the choice origin.

Disregarding emotional commitments, there is certainly no clear science supporting a genetic origin (even though it seems a naturally logical explanation).

It may be a combination of genetics and socialization, but I no longer believe it is pure genetic predisposition.

And I agree with meathead that I am straight.  I didn't chose to be, I just am and couldn't chose to be anything else.  I looooove looking at the secretaries.  

Hold on now BF. I have no personal knowledge of your sexual proclivities  I too loooove Oss's secretary pics 

[Jess from VA]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).

Blurred lines.  The more society accepts and even embraces previously taboo lifestyles, the more people will choose them as acceptable alternatives.  I'd bet Bruce Jenner has inspired more than one confused person to chop of their tallywacker -- or have one installed, as the case may be.

I certainly believe this to be true.... and as numbers increase (beyond demographic population increase) is clearly supports the choice theory.

Origins is certainly an interesting subject.  The thornier subject is legitimization, sin, fundamental values, and the essential family unit basis of civilization. 

Coming from a criminal prosecutor background, I am unable to entirely separate the somewhat high incidence of male gay pedophiles (female gay pedophiles exist but at a far smaller rate).  True pedophiles make no distinction between gender, their target is any child.  During my service in Europe, 28% of felonies involved children, higher than you would think (not all were rapists or molesters, but many were).  While the clear majority of gay men do not desire boys, the fact that a percentage do skews my attitude (and the fact that many of those were abused themselves as children makes no difference).   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bruce I spent a good deal of my life believing as you do (and as a hetero, it is hard to understand how someone could choose to be gay).

Blurred lines.  The more society accepts and even embraces previously taboo lifestyles, the more people will choose them as acceptable alternatives.  I'd bet Bruce Jenner has inspired more than one confused person to chop of their tallywacker -- or have one installed, as the case may be.

I certainly believe this to be true.... and as numbers increase (beyond demographic population increase) is clearly supports the choice theory.

Origins is certainly an interesting subject.  The thornier subject is legitimization, sin, fundamental values, and the essential family unit basis of civilization. 

Coming from a criminal prosecutor background, I am unable to entirely separate the somewhat high incidence of male gay pedophiles (female gay pedophiles exist but at a far smaller rate).  True pedophiles make no distinction between gender, their target is any child.  During my service in Europe, 28% of felonies involved children, higher than you would think (not all were rapists or molesters, but many were).  While the clear majority of gay men do not desire boys, the fact that a percentage do skews my attitude (and the fact that many of those were abused themselves as children makes no difference).   

I don't doubt any of what you say. But I would imagine their are plenty of sicko hetro men who desire girls.

[Jess from VA]

Indeed.  I'm not a fan of those guys either. 

There was some of everything when I was on active duty (after all, the military is just a piece of the public that mostly graduated HS without a felony).  I was blessed not to have to defend any baby (or adult) rapers, and it was pure luck of the draw.  Rather defend a simple murderer.  That a child is forced to take the stand in a public courtroom and describe the incident, identify the perp, then get cross examined by a very careful defense counsel is more disturbing than about any legal job you can dream up. 

[RainMaker]

Have you ever heard a saying or something similar to the effect, "If you tell someone something enough, whether it is right or wrong, they will eventually begin to believe it" or except it, which ever you choose?  Now keeping that thought in mind, and let's talk a little about TV, do you believe in mass hypnosis? Not talking about acting like a chicken, talking about getting you to believe what you are watching. I am just giving you the short answer!!  But if you noticed in the last several months on TV, it has been a tidal wave of them on TV shows, like it is the new fashion statement to be on a show. To me I don't really care as long as they entertain me on the show, but I understand one thing you do not. You are being conditioned for acceptance, to be the NEW NORMAL. Think back, may be a year ago, and it may not have been as common then, as it is now.  May be I am wrong!! Its just my opinion!!!

There was also a time when you didn't see black people on TV. I'm glad we have evolved a little.

I am 67yrs and as far as I can remember there were always black people on TV. Amos and Andy, Little Rascals, Bowery Boys and many movies I use to watch. May be they only showed in Detroit area. We never looked at them as being different that anyone else.

TV may have had black people on, but they were not portrayed as anything but "different tha(n) anyone else."  These actors were made into comic figures and the characters they played were unscrupulous, dim-witted, servantile and child-like.  Amos 'n Andy - really?  

Keep something in mind, if you are going to air your laundry in public, someone may notice it. I was not born or brought up in a hatred, belittling, condescending criticizing, fault finding, up bringing. I didn't see things the way you do, to me they were just entertainers that made me laugh or just enjoy watching them. In some cases they were greater than I, because they had a talent that I did not have. So the bottom line is when I watched programs with black people in it, to me they were just people, no more.

Ask a person of color what they thought about those shows.  My point is that they were insulting to that ethnic group. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Indeed.  I'm not a fan of those guys either. 

There was some of everything when I was on active duty (after all, the military is just a piece of the public that mostly graduated HS without a felony).  I was blessed not to have to defend any baby (or adult) rapers, and it was pure luck of the draw.  Rather defend a simple murderer.  That a child is forced to take the stand in a public courtroom and describe the incident, identify the perp, then get cross examined by a very careful defense counsel is more disturbing than about any legal job you can dream up. 

WOW I didn't know they made kids go thru that  . Seems like they'd have some way of protecting the kids. That would suck having to put them thru that.

[DirtyDan]

"Ask a person of color what they thought about those shows.  My point is that they were insulting to that ethnic group. "

like the rebel battle flags that's lots of people here display ? - myself included

freedom of speech begins with an insult 

dan



 

[dreamaker]

Have you ever heard a saying or something similar to the effect, "If you tell someone something enough, whether it is right or wrong, they will eventually begin to believe it" or except it, which ever you choose?  Now keeping that thought in mind, and let's talk a little about TV, do you believe in mass hypnosis? Not talking about acting like a chicken, talking about getting you to believe what you are watching. I am just giving you the short answer!!  But if you noticed in the last several months on TV, it has been a tidal wave of them on TV shows, like it is the new fashion statement to be on a show. To me I don't really care as long as they entertain me on the show, but I understand one thing you do not. You are being conditioned for acceptance, to be the NEW NORMAL. Think back, may be a year ago, and it may not have been as common then, as it is now.  May be I am wrong!! Its just my opinion!!!

There was also a time when you didn't see black people on TV. I'm glad we have evolved a little.

I am 67yrs and as far as I can remember there were always black people on TV. Amos and Andy, Little Rascals, Bowery Boys and many movies I use to watch. May be they only showed in Detroit area. We never looked at them as being different that anyone else.

TV may have had black people on, but they were not portrayed as anything but "different tha(n) anyone else."  These actors were made into comic figures and the characters they played were unscrupulous, dim-witted, servantile and child-like.  Amos 'n Andy - really?  

Keep something in mind, if you are going to air your laundry in public, someone may notice it. I was not born or brought up in a hatred, belittling, condescending criticizing, fault finding, up bringing. I didn't see things the way you do, to me they were just entertainers that made me laugh or just enjoy watching them. In some cases they were greater than I, because they had a talent that I did not have. So the bottom line is when I watched programs with black people in it, to me they were just people, no more.

Ask a person of color what they thought about those shows.  My point is that they were insulting to that ethnic group. 

Have you been drinking!!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Soon I hope 

[Jess from VA]

Indeed.  I'm not a fan of those guys either. 

There was some of everything when I was on active duty (after all, the military is just a piece of the public that mostly graduated HS without a felony).  I was blessed not to have to defend any baby (or adult) rapers, and it was pure luck of the draw.  Rather defend a simple murderer.  That a child is forced to take the stand in a public courtroom and describe the incident, identify the perp, then get cross examined by a very careful defense counsel is more disturbing than about any legal job you can dream up. 

WOW I didn't know they made kids go thru that  . Seems like they'd have some way of protecting the kids. That would suck having to put them thru that.

Everyone has the absolute right to be confronted in court by their accusers, and the right to cross examine those accusers.  Including child accusers.  This is why so many molesters are given a plea deal (with a sentence cap), so the child does not have to testify.  But if the perp won't plead, you have a trial.

Juries can be harder on perps than judges when a child is forced to take the stand.  And some jurors want to sentence both the perp and his defense counsel.  And in many cases, parents will intercede for their child and refuse to let her testify (or hide her out of state), letting the perp go free.  DNA has made things easier to prove (if you get a lab test right away), but the principle accuser is always expected to testify. 

To lighten this up, there is the old story about the 13yo girl being led thru her testimony by the prosecutor in a flasher case.  He says OK Suzi, I told you I was going to have to ask you this, so when the man sitting at the other table over there unzipped his pants, what did you see?  And she replies, Well, it looked like a penis.... only smaller.  Courtroom bursting into laughter, defendant putting head down on table, and judge banging the gavel for quiet. 

[Red Dog]

If you read these post and think you have to physically act to commit sin, if you are so inclined, take a look at Matthew 5:28.
That's all I got.
Ride Safe!

[RP#62]

Just seemed appropriate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oYsgHR5a7U

[Willow]

If you read these post and think you have to physically act to commit sin, if you are so inclined, take a look at Matthew 5:28.
That's all I got.
Ride Safe!

You inserted a word, physically, where it doesn't belong.  Pursuing desire, such as looking upon someone with lust, is also an act.  Being tempted by a momentary desire is not.  To me it seems very clear that choosing is what makes the difference.

To solidify that there is a difference, the Scriptures do tell us that Jesus himself was tempted but was without sin.

[hubcapsc]

If you read these post and think you have to physically act to commit sin, if you are so inclined, take a look at Matthew 5:28.
That's all I got.
Ride Safe!

You inserted a word, physically, where it doesn't belong.  Pursuing desire, such as looking upon someone with lust, is also an act.  Being tempted by a momentary desire is not.  To me it seems very clear that choosing is what makes the difference.

To solidify that there is a difference, the Scriptures do tell us that Jesus himself was tempted but was without sin.

My preacher sez: you can't control what pops into your mind, but you
can control how long it stays there, amen?

-Mike

[Red Dog]

To solidify the difference between Christ and me and temptation.
Christ can be tempted by a beautiful naked woman and not look upon her with lust or momentary desire. Therefore he is without sin. Tempted but without sin.
Me. The complete opposite. Probably lusted after her before she got naked. Therefore I sinned.

[Bighead]

So I am about to change my oil what kind should I use? And any recommendations on filter type

[DIGGER]

Iffn a gay guy or gal buys a Valkyrie......what color would they choose?

[The emperor has no clothes]

To solidify the difference between Christ and me and temptation.
Christ can be tempted by a beautiful naked woman and not look upon her with lust or momentary desire. Therefore he is without sin. Tempted but without sin.
Me. The complete opposite. Probably lusted after her before she got naked. Therefore I sinned.

You think about money when looking at beautiful naked women ?    And I thought I was a pervert 

[Chrisj CMA]

If you read these post and think you have to physically act to commit sin, if you are so inclined, take a look at Matthew 5:28.
That's all I got.
Ride Safe!

Yes, that is very true....I thought it would be kinda preachy to get that far into it.  I agree with Willow, a lusting in the heart is still an act we choose to do; a sin.  That is different from an uncontrolled passing thought, the latter is no crime or sin

[dreamaker]

So I am about to change my oil what kind should I use? And any recommendations on filter type

Really!!!

[hubcapsc]

So I am about to change my oil what kind should I use? And any recommendations on filter type

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* Melitta