I had a brainstorm

[Chrisj CMA]

After raising my two children and being involved with raising three of Judy's, It is clear to me that a child remains basically psychotic until the age of thirty.

We need to raise the voting age to thirty.  A few years of living as an adult making ones own decisions and dealing with the consequences would make a better voter.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You don't also want to raise the minimum age of soldiers and sailors to 30 do you ?  I'd say your brainstorm was more like a little bitty cloud that didn't produce any rain at all. 

[Valkorado]

That would sure take the wind out of Bernie's sails, wouldn't it?

[Chrisj CMA]

You don't also want to raise the minimum age of soldiers and sailors to 30 do you ?  I'd say your brainstorm was more like a little bitty cloud that didn't produce any rain at all. 

No, half crazy full of piss and vinegar 20 somethings make great warriors.  But most of them won't be in charge of very much until they are ready (around 30)

[The emperor has no clothes]

You don't also want to raise the minimum age of soldiers and sailors to 30 do you ?  I'd say your brainstorm was more like a little bitty cloud that didn't produce any rain at all. 

No, half crazy full of piss and vinegar 20 somethings make great warriors.  But most of them won't be in charge of very much until they are ready (around 30)

But you would deny them the right to vote ?   

[PAVALKER]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

[mike72903]

"14 or fight". Anyone remember that slogan from the 68 movie "Wild in the Streets"?

[mike72903]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

maybe but only if by service you don't necessarily mean military.

[RDAbull]

"14 or fight". Anyone remember that slogan from the 68 movie "Wild in the Streets"?

Yes, and as I remember that didn't turn out to well for any of the population.

[Jess from VA]

Add to this, anyone on two continuous years of public assistance (except truly physically 100% disabled), loses the right to vote.... until they enter school, vocational training, or the workforce.  

In other words, disenfranchise the (perpetual) Free crap Army (as much as possible).

Stop dead people and illegals from voting too.

Require ID and proof of eligibility to vote.

Any state that enfranchises illegals to vote loses all federal assistance.  

[FLAVALK]

Add to this, anyone on two continuous years of public assistance (except truly physically 100% disabled), loses the right to vote.... until they enter school, vocational training, or the workforce.  

In other words, disenfranchise the (perpetual) Free crap Army (as much as possible).

Stop dead people and illegals from voting too.

Require ID and proof of eligibility to vote.

Any state that enfranchises illegals to vote loses all federal assistance.  

You just squashed 2/3 of the democratic party 

[Serk]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

[FLAVALK]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Crap, there goes the other 1/3

[mike72903]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Crap, there goes the other 1/3

[Serk]

Oh and almost forgot one of my biggest (And most serious) - All federal elections are to be held on April 16th.

[Jess from VA]

Here's another..... out of federal money, offer each eligible voter $50 to NOT vote.  If $50 is worth more to you than your vote, you don't need to vote. 

(right out of the DNC playbook, in reverse)

[Crackerborn]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

[Serk]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

Yup, but I'm okay with that, I'd love to see social security shut down. If I could opt out right now and forfeit all the money they've already stolen from me I'd do it in a heartbeat.

...but that's another rant.

But yeah, I'd be okay with your idea until we're able to get SS removed.

[FLAVALK]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?   I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

SS is NOT welfare, federal assistance or government money. That's OUR (the peoples) money and to insinuate that it isn't is insulting to the millions of people who've been required to pay into that Ponzi scheme their entire lives.

[Patrick]

Oh and almost forgot one of my biggest (And most serious) - All federal elections are to be held on April 16th.

[solo1]

You just hit a sore spot with me. Social Security FOR ME, is NOT an entitlement.  I paid into it for 47 years and received nothing back until I retired.

I also think that the prime requisite for voting is the test that LEGAL immigrants must take to establish citizenship.  That would eliminate illegals and arseholes smart enough to live on the dole but too dumb to learn anything other than their name.

On yet another note, keep in mind the kids who are going to college and get fubab over chalk marks about Trump could be the same ones who might become officers if there is a Draft.  Of course that excludes the ones who would head for Canada.

I think that if we are going to bitch we might as well go whole hog!   

[mike72903]

Oh and almost forgot one of my biggest (And most serious) - All federal elections are to be held on April 16th.

Okay I finally get that

[Crackerborn]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

SS is NOT welfare, federal assistance or government money. That's OUR (the peoples) money and to insinuate that it isn't is insulting to the millions of people who've been required to pay into that Ponzi scheme their entire lives.

I am self-employed, do you want to discuss what I pay into social security as opposed to someone that is an employee? Double! And last time I checked the SS Administration is a federal government agency.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

SS is NOT welfare, federal assistance or government money. That's OUR (the peoples) money and to insinuate that it isn't is insulting to the millions of people who've been required to pay into that Ponzi scheme their entire lives.

I am self-employed, do you want to discuss what I pay into social security as opposed to someone that is an employee? Double! And last time I checked the SS Administration is a federal government agency.

Isn't the reason the self employed pay double is because employers pay 1/2 and employees pay 1/2 ? And yes I believe you are correct about it being a govt. agency. Some can't grasp the concept that it doesn't go into their own account and collect interest and earnings.

[Chrisj CMA]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

I like it, thirty years old or 2 successful years of military service, then you can vote.  Yes I really think the majority of today's teens have no business voting.

[Crackerborn]

Isn't the reason the self employed pay double is because employers pay 1/2 and employees pay 1/2 ?

You are correct. I also get a lovely extra tax called the self-employment tax on top of paying for unemployment insurance that I am ineligible to receive.  

That is only part of the cost of doing business and some wonder why small businesses fail.

[rocketray]

you tube"How to be a crook"by Larken Rose

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

I like it, thirty years old or 2 successful years of military service, then you can vote.  Yes I really think the majority of today's teens have no business voting.

The majority of today's teen don't vote. I realize this all hyperbole, but I find it reprehensible that we would expect a young man or woman to serve their country and possibly die for it. But you would deny them the right to vote. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

I like it, thirty years old or 2 successful years of military service, then you can vote.  Yes I really think the majority of today's teens have no business voting.

The majority of today's teen don't vote. I realize this all hyperbole, but I find it reprehensible that we would expect a young man or woman to serve their country and possibly die for it. But you would deny them the right to vote. 

We already do and did that.  It used to be 21 to vote like 21 to drink.  you could go in the military at 17 with parents signature like I did.  I was in the  military before I could vote or drink, didn't think it was unjust, just the rule at the time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mandatory service for a min of 2 years, men and women, voting permitted after successfully completing 2 years.  If you get some kind of waiver to avoid service.....you shouldn't be permitted to vote for the CINC at all.

I like it, thirty years old or 2 successful years of military service, then you can vote.  Yes I really think the majority of today's teens have no business voting.

The majority of today's teen don't vote. I realize this all hyperbole, but I find it reprehensible that we would expect a young man or woman to serve their country and possibly die for it. But you would deny them the right to vote. 

We already do and did that.  It used to be 21 to vote like 21 to drink.  you could go in the military at 17 with parents signature like I did.  I was in the  military before I could vote or drink, didn't think it was unjust, just the rule at the time.

We used to not let women and black people vote also. Doesn't make it right. As I remember they let us drink on base before we were 21.

[scooperhsd]

There's SOME wisdom there.

Yes I can agree with 2-3 years of successful service (doesn't need to be military - my father-in-law was a C.O. for religous reasons, but he did a couple years of something in lieu of military service while others were drafted)

Some of those others - landowner, - no - I know too many who are good citizens otherwise

No WELFARE to vote - sounds good

CUrrent Events - also sounds good.( nothing like ignorant voters voting).


Raising the voting age - well -  the couple years of service would do that.

[art]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

[art]

Couple ideas I would consider

-Must be a land owner to vote.
-Must not receive government money.
-Must pass basic current events test.

Serk, you realize you just eliminated anyone receiving Social Security?  I suggest it is very simple to solve the voting issue. Do you pay income taxes or did you pay income taxes prior to reaching retirement age?

Yup, but I'm okay with that, I'd love to see social security shut down. If I could opt out right now and forfeit all the money they've already stolen from me I'd do it in a heartbeat.

...but that's another rant.

But yeah, I'd be okay with your idea until we're able to get SS removed.

SS is not gov. money. We paid into it for 55 years and it belongs to us.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Add to this, anyone on two continuous years of public assistance (except truly physically 100% disabled), loses the right to vote.... until they enter school, vocational training, or the workforce.  

In other words, disenfranchise the (perpetual) Free crap Army (as much as possible).

Stop dead people and illegals from voting too.

Require ID and proof of eligibility to vote.

Any state that enfranchises illegals to vote loses all federal assistance.  

Absolutely! This could save our country.

[RDAbull]

SS is NOT welfare, federal assistance or government money. That's OUR (the peoples) money and to insinuate that it isn't is insulting to the millions of people who've been required to pay into that Ponzi scheme their entire lives.

I am self-employed, do you want to discuss what I pay into social security as opposed to someone that is an employee? Double! And last time I checked the SS Administration is a federal government agency.

Isn't the reason the self employed pay double is because employers pay 1/2 and employees pay 1/2 ? And yes I believe you are correct about it being a govt. agency. Some can't grasp the concept that it doesn't go into their own account and collect interest and earnings.

I have a bit of news for you.  As a self-employed accountant I can tell you positively that everybody that pays into the SS system pays the same amount, within reason of course.  When an employer hires someone they know that 7.65% of the amount that they pay to the employee has to be added to the cost of employment to pay the employer portion of the tax.  Therefore the minimum cost of an employee is 107.65% of the pay scale.  Does it really matter how the cost is paid in or just the fact that it IS paid in to either party.  Both parts are the cost of doing business in hiring or sel-employed.

[Serk]

SS is not gov. money. We paid into it for 55 years and it belongs to us.

I understand the point, and do not begrudge those who collect social security, but it is a ponzi scheme, and I would dearly love to be able to opt out of it. At 44 I am not counting on it to be there when I need it, and am handling my retirement planning accordingly, just wish I could use the money the government steals from me every paycheck to add to my real retirement funding instead.

[hubcapsc]

Some of those others - landowner, - no - I know too many who are good citizens otherwise

Should probably be changed to "tax payer", a lot of people don't even want to own land or
other kinds of property.

CUrrent Events - also sounds good.( nothing like ignorant voters voting).

I'm pretty ignorant according to some people  ... tests would be hard to do
right, and have been done wrong...

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

Some of those others - landowner, - no - I know too many who are good citizens otherwise

Should probably be changed to "tax payer", a lot of people don't even want to own land or
other kinds of property.

CUrrent Events - also sounds good.( nothing like ignorant voters voting).

I'm pretty ignorant according to some people  ... tests would be hard to do
right, and have been done wrong...

-Mike

Yeah my wife would pass a test about current Kardashian events with flying colors. I'd never be able to vote again. 

[Roadog]

   Jess,
A lot of those folks vote for a living ! 

Roadog