Zero pullback risers

[Gabriel]

I have had to push my bars up quite a bit because I apparently have Orangutan arms, the problem in doing so makes the angle of the grips all wrong (even for apes).
So I install some 3" zero pullback risers and they allowed me to pull my bars back a little for better comfort.
I found them on the Bay new (old stock) and they are made out of steel and triple chrome plated, they weigh at least twice as much as the stock risers.
So this a maybe a solution for tall people, it sure helped me...

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[Harryc]

Ok Gabriel, you got my attention. . Can you give some more info about these risers? Manufacturer or model or link to EBay Ad? Thanks.

[Jess from VA]

Zero pullback is a bit misleading.  The triple tree they mount to is angled.  Straight up automatically has some back.

The triangle of comfort (bars, pegs/boards and seat) are different for everyone.

I was happy to get a bit of added pullback on my risers, but what I really needed was taller mostly.

[Gabriel]

Zero pullback is a bit misleading.  The triple tree they mount to is angled.  Straight up automatically has some back.

The triangle of comfort (bars, pegs/boards and seat) are different for everyone.

I was happy to get a bit of added pullback on my risers, but what I really needed was taller mostly.

Nothing misleading here?
Everything about this says "Risers" and the risers have "0" pullback.

[Harryc]

Thanks again.

[Gabriel]

Thanks again.

Your welcome...✞

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

Ok Gabriel, you got my attention. . Can you give some more info about these risers? Manufacturer or model or link to EBay Ad? Thanks.

Harry, let me know if you try this and how it works. I rotated my handlebars like you did and that seems to work much better for us tall guys. I'm interested to see if you find these better still.

[Harryc]

Ok Gabriel, you got my attention. . Can you give some more info about these risers? Manufacturer or model or link to EBay Ad? Thanks.

Harry, let me know if you try this and how it works. I rotated my handlebars like you did and that seems to work much better for us tall guys. I'm interested to see if you find these better still.

Will do Jim. I have the same problem as Gabriel. The bars are nice and high but my wrists are not in a good position. I ordered a set so I'll definitely get back to you.

[Gabriel]

keep in mind it's only an inch or so, but you will be able to tell it.
I also have a Corbin seat that let me pick up another inch+.

[Harryc]

keep in mind it's only an inch or so, but you will be able to tell it.
I also have a Corbin seat that let me pick up another inch+.

I totally get it Bro. I am 6'6" tall with a 37" sleeve length. Every inch counts.

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

Ok Gabriel, you got my attention. . Can you give some more info about these risers? Manufacturer or model or link to EBay Ad? Thanks.

Harry, let me know if you try this and how it works. I rotated my handlebars like you did and that seems to work much better for us tall guys. I'm interested to see if you find these better still.

Will do Jim. I have the same problem as Gabriel. The bars are nice and high but my wrists are not in a good position. I ordered a set so I'll definitely get back to you.

We'll have to try it together Harry. I went for broke and bought two sets- one for me and one for the project bike. My son is 6'5" and he will need that extra height.

[Harryc]

Gabriel, do you happen to recall the size of the studs you used? Length and pitch? From the Ebay ad it says the holes in the risers are 1/2-20.  Half inch is slightly larger than Honda riser bolt size 12mm so I just want to make sure I get the right studs without having to drill out the triple trees.  Seems to me you'd need a stud with two different ends. (adapter stud)

[Harryc]

Thanks for the information. If you happen to find a pitch guage great, but I can always go by the stud size and pitch on the Honda risers like you said. 

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

I tried to remove my stud from the risers and they wouldn't budge. Doesn't look like there is any threads inside the riser- they may be pressed in. Anyway, the stud that is exposed is 12-1.25 and is 30mm long. Of that 30mm, 20mm  is threaded.

[Gabriel]

Was kind of my thought also but I did not spend any time with it trying to remove the stud.
This probably does not need to be said but;
Just snug the risers lightly until you get the handle bars tightened down, that way you don't have to worry about alignment or the riser turning when you tighten the riser nut.
There will be a slight gap between the riser cap and the riser once the bars are tightened as there should be.

[Harryc]

I tried to remove my stud from the risers and they wouldn't budge. Doesn't look like there is any threads inside the riser- they may be pressed in. Anyway, the stud that is exposed is 12-1.25 and is 30mm long. Of that 30mm, 20mm  is threaded.

Good work Jim. Now we just need to figure out the needed stud length and where to get them Great tips Gabriel, thanks again.

Edit: As a last resort these would take care of both your bikes if the length is right...I am betting it is close - http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Metric-Studs-M12-1-25-X-50mm-Zinc-Yellow-/401158389465?hash=item5d66e73ed9:g:fmwAAOSwdzVXknGF&vxp=mtr

[Gabriel]

Wow! high dollar studs!
Fastenal has them for 3.01 each
Nuts are 0.86 each

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/11237329

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0162313

[Harryc]

Wow! high dollar studs!
Fastenal has them for 3.01 each
Nuts are 0.86 each

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/11237329

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0162313

Same price basically Gabriel. The Fasenal item is for a package of 5 at $15 bucks...then there's shipping. Plus availability is limited.

[Gabriel]

I have a fasenal about 10 miles away and they let me break sets, you don't have one close by?
They can usually get "limited supply" items overnight.
I think Lowe's may have them listed also...

[Harryc]

Yes I do have a Fastenal about 15 miles away. I'll give them a shot.

[Harryc]

Lowes has a pack of 20 for 14 bucks.  https://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-M12-1-25-x-50-Stud-Metric-Automotive-Studs-Grade-5-8/4429358

Looks like they are threaded wrong though. For auto wheel lug nuts.

[Gabriel]

I don't know if your any good at cutting bolts off and using them for studs, I've done hundreds of them and bolt may be easier to find.
You could also use a bolt if you wanted to, I prefer a stud but but it's a fine thread and over an inch deep so a bolt would be OK if a stud is hard to find....

[Gabriel]

Lowes has a pack of 20 for 14 bucks. Lol https://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-M12-1-25-x-50-Stud-Metric-Automotive-Studs-Grade-5-8/4429358

You would have to go with a different nut, one end is coarse thread but that would work...

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

There are three different thread pitches for 12mm. Me thinks I'm going to wait until the risers show up and I can confirm EXACTLY what the pitch is.
Fortunately, I have one of these, which makes things VERY easy.

https://www.boltdepot.com/Thread_detective_-_Metal.aspx

[Gabriel]

Never seen those, that's pretty neat!

This is what I have and all I have ever seen/used..

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

I don't know if your any good at cutting bolts off and using them for studs, I've done hundreds of them and bolt may be easier to find.
You could also use a bolt if you wanted to, I prefer a stud but but it's a fine thread and over an inch deep so a bolt would be OK if a stud is hard to find....

I've spent many hours cutting hundreds of feet of all-thread into studs in the past with my Portaband. I am thinking of going a few different ways with this...Stud..Bolt.. or Alllen Head screw- all with washers. Haven't decided yet. Maybe Stainless...

The nut that was on the end of the riser stud was a nylock style nut, but it had a metal locking insert instead of nylon.

I found this site today as I was looking at the Interweb for other Metric nuts, bolts, allen screws and the like. They have a great selection, no minimum and shipping is free over $100. Who doesn't need more hardware?

https://www.belmetric.com/

[Harryc]

I found this site today as I was looking at the Interweb for other Metric nuts, bolts, allen screws and the like. They have a great selection, no minimum and shipping is free over $100. Who doesn't need more hardware?

https://www.belmetric.com/

Very cool site Jim, thanks for the link.

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

So, my risers arrived today and they look great! Very heavy and seem to built and polished well.
Now...... The thread pitch of the riser is US SAE 1/2"-20.
A 12 - 1.25 stud/bolt will thread in but it is looser than the 1/2"-20.
This raises some interesting points.
1) Gabriel-It appears from the posts above that you are using 12mm studs. I would use them at your own risk. Me, no way. I would be afraid that at some point the stud could come loose and....that is certainly no beuno....
2) The hole in the top bridge is NOT big enough for a 1/2" stud to pass and would have to be drilled. Seems the hole is about 13mm in diameter. Looking for others to weigh in on if they have ever drilled the top bridge.
3) The polished riser doesn't slip into the recess where the OEM riser fits ( I think Gabriel mentioned that above). The recess is not very deep- less than 1/8", but it still sits on top.

Thoughts??

[Harryc]

Well, you just need a decent drill press (which I do not have) to get a good 1/2" hole that is straight. The triple tree is easy to get if you ever want to go back to stock. I may be sending you my triple tree Jim. I was afraid of this. It is tough to find a straight aftermarket riser with 12mm (or metric) attachment points. My gut was to go with the one linked below, which I may still do. Or we can go with the Baron kit Gabriel used. I'm interested to hear his thoughts on why it didn't work the right way, in other words why didn't the 1/2" end of the Baron's studs screw into the risers? Was the pitch wrong? http://www.xf6-custom.com/partpages/vtxpages/4vtxrisers.html

[Gabriel]

So, my risers arrived today and they look great! Very heavy and seem to built and polished well.
Now...... The thread pitch of the riser is US SAE 1/2"-20.
A 12 - 1.25 stud/bolt will thread in but it is looser than the 1/2"-20.
This raises some interesting points.
1) Gabriel-It appears from the posts above that you are using 12mm studs. I would use them at your own risk. Me, no way. I would be afraid that at some point the stud could come loose and....that is certainly no beuno....
2) The hole in the top bridge is NOT big enough for a 1/2" stud to pass and would have to be drilled. Seems the hole is about 13mm in diameter. Looking for others to weigh in on if they have ever drilled the top bridge.
3) The polished riser doesn't slip into the recess where the OEM riser fits ( I think Gabriel mentioned that above). The recess is not very deep- less than 1/8", but it still sits on top.

Thoughts??

Well that's alarming and you are right about the size but what happened here is I was wrong about the stud size that I used.
I just pulled it apart and checked the stud and it is 1/2 by 20 and obviously the holes had been enlarged to except them.
Sorry I did not mean to mislead anyone, I screwed up by assuming the information on the stud listing was correct.
Edit;
I guess I should go back and correct my previous post.

[Harryc]

Well that's alarming and you are right about the size but what happened here is I was wrong about the stud size that I used.
I just pulled it apart and checked the stud and it is 1/2 by 20 and obviously the holes had been enlarged to except them.
Sorry I did not mean to mislead anyone, I screwed up by assuming the information on the stud listing was correct.

That aside, why didn't the Baron's kit work as advertised? I am confused. If I can just get that kit and call it a day I am good.

[Harryc]

Ok did a little research and I answered my own question. The Baron's kit has 1/2-13 on the riser end, and the risers themselves are 1/2-20. So the pitch is the issue. I also looked around and there are no options for a stud kit to go from 1/2-20 to 12M.  Hmmm...I'll think on it. The cheap route is to just drill the triple tree.

[Jess from VA]

If you drill the tree out on the bike to half inch, it can go back to metric bolts anytime with no worry or risk.  Metal shavings is all you get.  You do actually use a wrench to put the riser nuts on... not to 200 lbs, but good and tight.

[Gabriel]

Well that's alarming and you are right about the size but what happened here is I was wrong about the stud size that I used.
I just pulled it apart and checked the stud and it is 1/2 by 20 and obviously the holes had been enlarged to except them.
Sorry I did not mean to mislead anyone, I screwed up by assuming the information on the stud listing was correct.

That aside, why didn't the Baron's kit work as advertised? I am confused. If I can just get that kit and call it a day I am good.

Obviously at this point the adapters are not the correct ones for a stock Valk, they were 1/2 x 20 on the long end but 1/2x18 (guess) on the short end, no nuts for the course end were supplied but I had some. I was concerned about bottoming the long 1/2x20 stud out in the riser before the nut would tighten properly, so I ran the nut down on the fine threaded end first. If that makes sense?

I did not realize my Valkyrie did not have the stock risers.
I'm sorry about the confusion...

[Harryc]

If you drill the tree out on the bike to half inch, it can go back to metric bolts anytime with no worry or risk.  Metal shavings is all you get.  You do actually use a wrench to put the riser nuts on... not to 200 lbs, but good and tight.

I think you're right Jess. Didn't want to do it but it's not a huge deal. I'd want to do it on the bike because I am not taking it apart, so a drill press is out of the question. I'd better wear my glasses. Lol

[Harryc]

I'm sorry about the confusion...

Hey Gabriel, no problem...it happens. Still appreciate the recommend. It was a heck of a deal on good risers.

[Harryc]

I just finished installing the risers today. I used a 17/32 bit and bored out the holes. I'd say that produced a loose fit but it was fine. I also used 1/2-20 x 2" stainless cap bolts with stainless lock washers. Plenty of room to get a socket up in there with extensions and the length was perfect. I also put 1/2" washers (re-used the ones from the previous risers) into the indentations on top of the tree. If I had to do it over again I'd probably start the bore with a 1/2" bit first because the larger bit tended to grab material and jump and stop the drill while starting the hole. I did oil the bit while drilling. Once the bore was started it was smooth sailing from there. I haven't gone for a ride yet but Gabriel's observation was spot on. I was able to lower the bars into a more comfortable position with equal or slightly greater arm extension. I would recommend this mod for taller folks. (Just noticed I need to move my clock)

[jim@98valkyrie.com]

I just finished installing the risers today. I used a 17/32 bit and bored out the holes. I'd say that produced a loose fit but it was fine. I also used 1/2-20 x 2" stainless cap bolts with stainless lock washers. Plenty of room to get a socket up in there with extensions and the length was perfect. I also put 1/2" washers (re-used the ones from the previous risers) into the indentations on top of the tree. If I had to do it over again I'd probably start the bore with a 1/2" bit first because the larger bit tended to grab material and jump and stop the drill while starting the hole. I did oil the bit while drilling. Once the bore was started it was smooth sailing from there. I haven't gone for a ride yet but Gabriel's observation was spot on. I was able to lower the bars into a more comfortable position with equal or slightly greater arm extension. I would recommend this mod for taller folks. (Just noticed I need to move my clock)

[Gabriel]

I'm enjoying mine everyday!
But really when things are right you never notice, I was reminded every time I rode that my wrist were in an uncomfortable position, now I'm totally unaware there was ever an issue.

We should have a discussion about windshields and tall riders next, it won't be about seeing over the shield, it will be the effects of sitting far behind it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I just finished installing the risers today. I used a 17/32 bit and bored out the holes. I'd say that produced a loose fit but it was fine. I also used 1/2-20 x 2" stainless cap bolts with stainless lock washers. Plenty of room to get a socket up in there with extensions and the length was perfect. I also put 1/2" washers (re-used the ones from the previous risers) into the indentations on top of the tree. If I had to do it over again I'd probably start the bore with a 1/2" bit first because the larger bit tended to grab material and jump and stop the drill while starting the hole. I did oil the bit while drilling. Once the bore was started it was smooth sailing from there. I haven't gone for a ride yet but Gabriel's observation was spot on. I was able to lower the bars into a more comfortable position with equal or slightly greater arm extension. I would recommend this mod for taller folks. (Just noticed I need to move my clock)

Harry, I just love how clean and shiny your bike is.  probably one of the sharpest I've seen.