New Super Tech Filters - Again

[F6Dave]

I was in Wal Mart over the weekend and noticed that their store brand oil filters have changed again.  This happens often.  Several years ago they carried an excellent line (painted black) apparently made by Champion.  Those were replaced for a while with the basic Purolator line, which were then replaced not long ago with new, white painted Super Techs.

Now they've changed them again.  The new line is painted blue and carries Fram numbering.  I'm thinking these new ones are probably made by Fram, but does anyone know for sure?

[h13man]

I switched to Bosch 3323 (long filter) after they did away with the original ST line. I pay $5 for the Bosch everyday at Menards. It been long known that Fram are sub par filters compared to Champion manufactured filters which 80% of the filters on the market they make. And yes the old ST was made by Champion.

[Ricky-D]

If you change your oil often enough you can actually go without an oil filter. Ford did a study that revealed particles, that can cause damage, do not develop in oil, up to around 5k miles in automobile engines. And, automobile engines are a better breeding ground for this kind of contamination than our Valkyrie engines, not to mention that the study is old and well before, better oils were available.

So, with this study in mind, if you change your oil regularly, and often enough, the only reason you need a filter is to absorb the water that condenses in the oil, and that is to say the filter needs changing only occasionally, maybe every three or four oil changes.

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[Houdini]

If you change your oil often enough you can actually go without an oil filter.
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With a quart squirting out the front of the motor every couple of seconds you sure will have to add quite a lot of oil using this method.  Probably better to spin on a filter instead.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you change your oil often enough you can actually go without an oil filter.
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With a quart squirting out the front of the motor every couple of seconds you sure will have to add quite a lot of oil using this method.  Probably better to spin on a filter instead.

[F6Dave]

I switched to Bosch 3323 (long filter) after they did away with the original ST line. I pay $5 for the Bosch everyday at Menards. It been long known that Fram are sub par filters compared to Champion manufactured filters which 80% of the filters on the market they make. And yes the old ST was made by Champion.

I've been thinking of changing to the Bosch, too.  I've used the Pure Ones for several years, but they had some quality control issues (torn media) and then the company was sold.  The new ones are probably fine but I'd like consistency.  My only concern is that the Bosch filters (both 3300 and 3323 sizes) look a bit large.  While my Valkyrie and F6B use the same size filter, it's a much tighter fit in the F6B.

[F6Dave]

If you change your oil often enough you can actually go without an oil filter. Ford did a study that revealed particles, that can cause damage, do not develop in oil, up to around 5k miles in automobile engines. And, automobile engines are a better breeding ground for this kind of contamination than our Valkyrie engines, not to mention that the study is old and well before, better oils were available.

So, with this study in mind, if you change your oil regularly, and often enough, the only reason you need a filter is to absorb the water that condenses in the oil, and that is to say the filter needs changing only occasionally, maybe every three or four oil changes.

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That wouldn't surprise me.  Modern engines are built so precisely that I'm sure very little metal ever ends up in the oil.  In fact, the 2 VW Beetles from the 1960s I used to own actually had no oil filter at all!  Of course, they usually needed a rebuild by 50,000 miles.

I would be curious if sharing engine oil with the transmission and clutch adds to the contamination.  The Ford test surely didn't cover that scenario.  I think the new DCT Wing has a second oil filter, and I suspect the dual clutch setup has much to do with that.

[Gideon]

Change Oil & Oil Filter Every 5000 miles or Once a Year. Use Rotella T6, 5-40 Synthetic Oil and a Pure One PL14610 or your favorite brand Oil Filter. That is cheap maintenance.