Rosanne is gone!!!!

[Motodad71]

https://youtu.be/WdEiCGyLlGk

Is HBO gonna fire this Asshat and cancel his show. he is saying Trumps birth and parentage comes from a line of Orangutans??? Where is the outrage??? He said almost the exact same thing as she did.

Don't really care about Rosanne, didn't watch the show. But why is this free speech stuff so one sided??
Free speech for some but not for all depending on which side of the political line you are on is pure BS.

Nobody inhibited her freedom of speech.

You're right, just that not everyone/anyone is getting canned for their VERY public "offensive" comments.......see no hypocrisy there? There is a war on ANYONE who is a Trump supporter, is a conservative or a Libertarian, a white Christian man or woman "notice I didn't say gender neutral, or gender confused", and or anyone that watches Fox news or OAN.

And we cannot erase history of this country because it hurts feelings or offends, just because a scant few "yes a scant few" are offended and outraged by such. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and we have done one helluva job in that regard IMHO.

[baldo]

He said almost the exact same thing as she did.

No. No it's not almost the exact same thing.....And you know it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

https://youtu.be/WdEiCGyLlGk

Is HBO gonna fire this Asshat and cancel his show. he is saying Trumps birth and parentage comes from a line of Orangutans??? Where is the outrage??? He said almost the exact same thing as she did.

Don't really care about Rosanne, didn't watch the show. But why is this free speech stuff so one sided??
Free speech for some but not for all depending on which side of the political line you are on is pure BS.

Nobody inhibited her freedom of speech.

You're right, just that not everyone/anyone is getting canned for their VERY public "offensive" comments.......see no hypocrisy there? There is a war on ANYONE who is a Trump supporter, is a conservative or a Libertarian, a white Christian man or woman "notice I didn't say gender neutral, or gender confused", and or anyone that watches Fox news or OAN.

And we cannot erase history of this country because it hurts feelings or offends, just because a scant few "yes a scant few" are offended and outraged by such. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and we have done one helluva job in that regard IMHO.

When did conservatives become such an oppressed class ? It's BS. If I was to say what she said on social media, I'm pretty sure I would get fired. I'm a nobody left leaning meatcutter. It has nothing to do with political leanings and all to do with profit motive.

[Rams]

Yes, this is unrelated to Rosanne or the media.  Both suck, what else is there to say?

Personally, I'm fond of beef tacos.    Can't stand the chicken version, it's fowl.....

Rams

[baldo]

Yes, this is unrelated to Rosanne or the media.  Both suck, what else is there to say?

Personally, I'm fond of beef tacos.    Can't stand the chicken version, it's fowl.....

Rams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

[Savago]

There are 2 kinds:

Those that admit it.
And those that do not admit it.

Everybody is a racist, it is a tribal thing, ingrained into human nature.

Nopes. Wrong.

There are people who are racist and people who are not.

You can say that everyone can have some prejudices though (i.e. pre-conceived opinion about a given subject).

Also, you seem confused between racism (i.e. belief in superiority of a given race, something is defined when you are born i.e. skin color) X tribalism (group behavior, defined by common shared values).

And that is the root of all evil.

[The emperor has no clothes]

There are 2 kinds:

Those that admit it.
And those that do not admit it.

Everybody is a racist, it is a tribal thing, ingrained into human nature.

Nopes. Wrong.

There are people who are racist and people who are not.

You can say that everyone can have some prejudices though (i.e. pre-conceived opinion about a given subject).

Also, you seem confused between racism (i.e. belief in superiority of a given race, something is defined when you are born i.e. skin color) X tribalism (group behavior, defined by common shared values).

And that is the root of all evil.

exactly . All of us are prejudiced in some way, only some of us are racist.

[Pete]

You two need to rethink that.
By definition if you are racist you are prejudice.

But you can be prejudice without being a racist.

By definition tribal indicates preference by tribe (which includes race), racist.

As for the comment that everyone is a racist, has been true since the beginning of time, ingrained in the human nature.

You can deny it, just like you can deny reality, good luck with that.
Kinda Hyprocit.....................al though.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You two need to rethink that.
By definition if you are racist you are prejudice.

But you can be prejudice without being a racist.

By definition tribal indicates preference by tribe (which includes race), racist.

As for the comment that everyone is a racist, has been true since the beginning of time, ingrained in the human nature.

You can deny it, just like you can deny reality, good luck with that.
Kinda Hyprocit.....................al though.

I guess I'll have to do the research for you.



racist
noun [ C ] US ​  /ˈreɪ·sɪst/
​
 a person who believes that some races are better than others, or who acts unfairly to someone because of his or her race

[Pete]

You need not do the research, it is a waste of your time.
I am well aware of the meanings of the three terms.

But have fun anyway.

[Bighead]

There are 2 kinds:

Those that admit it.
And those that do not admit it.

Everybody is a racist, it is a tribal thing, ingrained into human nature.

Nopes. Wrong.

There are people who are racist and people who are not.

You can say that everyone can have some prejudices though (i.e. pre-conceived opinion about a given subject).

Also, you seem confused between racism (i.e. belief in superiority of a given race, something is defined when you are born i.e. skin color) X tribalism (group behavior, defined by common shared values).

And that is the root of all evil.

exactly . All of us are prejudiced in some way, only some of us are racist.

So what are you prejudiced against? Tax paying, gun carrying law abiding citizens? Seems so.
(Maybe not in this Thread but many onthers)

[Savago]

Besides the semantic difference between racism x prejudice (even though the later can lead to the first...), what is key is how ingrained it is.

I believe that prejudice can be overcame easily with experience and information.

Racism on the other hand is generally part of someone's own identity... Notice that any racist will always think that his 'race' is better/superior to the others.

Therefore, racism is much harder to overcome.

Say as an example that someone thinks that his home state BBQ is the best in the world... without ever trying BBQ in other places. This person can eventually change his/her mind when presented with an even better BBQ from another place.

On the hand, say that someone thinks that his 'race' is better/superior... coming to realization that this is bullshit (i.e. his DNA can be closer to some individual with another skin color) generally faces denial.

Relevant to the discussion:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

[hubcapsc]

Yes, this is unrelated to Rosanne or the media.  Both suck, what else is there to say?

Personally, I'm fond of beef tacos.    Can't stand the chicken version, it's fowl.....

Rams

I've recently learned that they call Tacomas "Tacos"...



I hate hate hate Dodge Dakotas  ...

-Mike "but I've never driven one or been in one"

[Rams]

Yes, this is unrelated to Rosanne or the media.  Both suck, what else is there to say?

Personally, I'm fond of beef tacos.    Can't stand the chicken version, it's fowl.....

Rams

I've recently learned that they call Tacomas "Tacos"...



I hate hate hate Dodge Dakotas   ...

-Mike "but I've never driven one or been in one"

If it's got a Cummins in it, I'll drive it!   Nissan has a Cummins powered version I'd consider if, it had a greater load capability but that ain't the case.    Dodge/Ram is the only option for my favorite engine.

Edited:  BTW, I used only Mobil One 5w40 turbo diesel oil in my trucks.   Finest oil on the market!  
Take that you lessor oil users!!!    

Rams

[¿spoom]

There are 2 kinds:

Those that admit it.
And those that do not admit it.

Everybody is a racist, it is a tribal thing, ingrained into human nature.

Nopes. Wrong.

There are people who are racist and people who are not.

You can say that everyone can have some prejudices though (i.e. pre-conceived opinion about a given subject).

Also, you seem confused between racism (i.e. belief in superiority of a given race, something is defined when you are born i.e. skin color) X tribalism (group behavior, defined by common shared values).

And that is the root of all evil.

"i.e. belief in superiority of a given race" is a little different than saying somebody looks like a monkey, especially when all humans do, compared to looking like a kangaroo. The reason I shrug this off isn't because I feel Rosanne is right, but because the previous NON-firing of others for doing the same thing is part of how social mores are defined. If the rules changed overnight with Rosanne, and will be that way from now on, so be it. (but I know they didn't)

[Pete]

I believe that "prejudice/racism/tribal" can be moderated .... with experience and information.

"Racism/prejudice/tribal" on the other hand is generally part of someone's own identity...
Therefore, "they are ALL"  hard to overcome.

If you think another race is "better" than your race are you a good racist?

If it is accurately stated by someone that 80 percent of something can be attributed to a race, is that racism? What if it is 80 percent of a good thing? or 80 percent of a bad thing?

Prejudice/racism/tribal are not simple issues, were not invented yesterday and will not go away tomorrow.

Ignoring and/or redefining the terms and/or using them as clubs to sway public opinion is a poor way to advance civilization.

While I do not pretend to have the answers, I can tell you the current main stream actions and reactions are NOT helping to resolve the issues.

The old saying that "all xxx are created equal is horse pucky" be it race, intelligence, physcial capabilities, etc.

Most of us are born into this world as individuals with unique facilities, what we do with it and how others affect us, we eventually have some control of and responsibility for.

How we handle that responsibility says a lot about us and our "tribe".

[The emperor has no clothes]

I guess one man's horse pucky is another man's mantra. 

The quotation "All men are created equal" has been called an "immortal declaration," and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[1][2] Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which he penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution. It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]

[hubcapsc]

I guess one man's horse pucky is another man's mantra. 

The quotation "All men are created equal" has been called an "immortal declaration," and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[1][2] Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which he penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution. It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]

I've always thought "all men are created equal" meant "we're just as good as Englishmen"...

I know what it should mean, I'm saying that's what I think the beleaguered founding
fathers were thinking when they said it.

-Mike

[Pete]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I guess one man's horse pucky is another man's mantra. 

The quotation "All men are created equal" has been called an "immortal declaration," and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[1][2] Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which he penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution. It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]

I've always thought "all men are created equal" meant "we're just as good as Englishmen"...

I know what it should mean, I'm saying that's what I think the beleaguered founding
fathers were thinking when they said it.

-Mike

I’m sure you are correct. I’m also sure they chose their words closely.

[Willow]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

The phrase was incorporated to negate the concept of noblemen and commoners.  Most of the users of the phrase originally did not recognize the full manhood of the slaves and Indians.  It had no intention toward racial equality.

I've always said that anyone who believes all men are created equal is not paying attention.   

I do believe that all people should be treated equally under the law.

[Pete]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

The phrase was incorporated to negate the concept of noblemen and commoners.  Most of the users of the phrase originally did not recognize the full manhood of the slaves and Indians.  It had no intention toward racial equality.

I've always said that anyone who believes all men are created equal is not paying attention.   

I do believe that all people should be treated equally under the law.

Thanks

[Oss]

remember Alexander Hamilton was a bastard and not born here (born in Nevis)  He was equal to any British subject

so Yes I agree with Mike it was to show any colonial could be equal to any noble or commoner of the crown

There is a story about a tower called Babel built by people who wanted to show how like God they were.

Since that day.................lots of languages, lots of confusion hence prejudice  hence ethnocentrism hence I am better than you because you think the world was created in 6 days and not 7 days. Who cares?

I dont like the word racist, its time is past as it is many years since Native Son.

 I think it's present use is STUPID and INFLAMMATORY and it is bandied without thought by people to oppress  or otherwise demonize others who disagree with them or their agenda

The older I get the more I admire Fred Rogers (no relation - I think)

[Mapper]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

Interesting that Thomas Jefferson both owned slaves and opposed slavery.  If you haven't read his rough draft of the Declaration of Independence, it's worth the time.

Also an interesting read, the poem "Star-Spangled Banner" unedited for use as the national anthem.... there is a whole stanza about slavery.

It's an institution that we inherited from our founders' ancestors and one that clearly put themselves at odds both with each other and internally.

The main lesson that I carry away from this is a reminder that whatever you commit to electrons and put on the internet will be there forever... not like a written document that if carefully guarded can be destroyed.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

The phrase was incorporated to negate the concept of noblemen and commoners.  Most of the users of the phrase originally did not recognize the full manhood of the slaves and Indians.  It had no intention toward racial equality.

I've always said that anyone who believes all men are created equal is not paying attention.   

I do believe that all people should be treated equally under the law.

They could have easily written it as "All free men are created equal" or "All white men are created equal". I think they were a lot smarter than you guys seem to give them credit for.

[Pete]

I doubt that, as we both think they were very smart folks.

[Willow]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

The phrase was incorporated to negate the concept of noblemen and commoners.  Most of the users of the phrase originally did not recognize the full manhood of the slaves and Indians.  It had no intention toward racial equality.

I've always said that anyone who believes all men are created equal is not paying attention.  

I do believe that all people should be treated equally under the law.

They could have easily written it as "All free men are created equal" or "All white men are created equal". I think they were a lot smarter than you guys seem to give them credit for.

I think you're wading through a lot of pretense to believe that they (the founding fathers) meant what agrees with your life view.

Years later when census was taken, non-whites were counted as less than one each.

It is as I said it was.  

And just so you know, it doesn't agree with my life view either.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Some have suggested that it means equal opportunity or equal rights.

I do not pretend to know what he meant. I would suspect equal rights were it not for the slave customs of the time.

I do wish we knew more.

The phrase was incorporated to negate the concept of noblemen and commoners.  Most of the users of the phrase originally did not recognize the full manhood of the slaves and Indians.  It had no intention toward racial equality.

I've always said that anyone who believes all men are created equal is not paying attention.  

I do believe that all people should be treated equally under the law.

They could have easily written it as "All free men are created equal" or "All white men are created equal". I think they were a lot smarter than you guys seem to give them credit for.

I think you're wading through a lot of pretense to believe that they (the founding fathers) meant what agrees with your life view.

Years later when census was taken, non-whites were counted as less than one each.

It is as I said it was.  

And just so you know, it doesn't agree with my life view either.  

I think you are misinterpreting what I said. I believe they wrote it as you say. I also believe they wrote it open enough to be inclusive in the future.

[hubcapsc]

I think slaves were counted as 3/5s, but there were many free blacks before
the war - that is, it was slave status not skin color that counted as 3/5s...

BTW, in every year it was taken, the census shows more free blacks in South Carolina
than in Massachusetts ...

-Mike

[f6john]

You guys need to stop posting to this thread! I need the bitch thread referencing this thread to surpass the post count for Roseanne.  

I never viewed the Roaeanne news as political, just a dramatic example of how quickly the mighty can fall. The reasons were political I’m sure, but my intention was not to make it a political hot potato here.



I know, I know, I just increased the post count. 

[MAD6Gun]

 Well there is most definitely a double standard here. I don't by any means condone what Roseanne tweeted. BUT the hypocrisy from the left is rampant. Samantha Bee calls Ivanka Trump the c-word on air on her show on TBS and nothing. Roseanne apologizes afterwards and still looses her show and rightfully so. Samantha Bee apologizes and nothing. I hear her show has lost a couple of sponsors but she is still on the air. TBS needs to step up and fallow ABCs lead. This untalented "comedian" constantly goes after Trump,his family and this administration. Ask yourself a question.  How long would a conservative comedian had lasted if they had gone after Obamas daughters like this? My guess not long.

 Geraldo was on FOX last night saying the c-word is the gender equivalent of the n-word. I think I have to agree with him.

 

[phideux]

I think slaves were counted as 3/5s, but there were many free blacks before
the war - that is, it was slave status not skin color that counted as 3/5s...

BTW, in every year it was taken, the census shows more free blacks in South Carolina
than in Massachusetts ...

-Mike

When Lincoln supposedly "freed the slaves", that was just the slaves in the South, did not apply to slavery in the Northern states. It was a Northern state that was the last to give up Slavery. Plus the 3 biggest ports of entry for the slave trade were in the North. But it was just an evil Southern thing.


Back on track, Rosanne is an idiot, never really cared for her. But if she should be fired and her show cancelled. Oter folks should be fired and have their shows cancelled, like, Samantha Bee for calling Ivanka Trump a flower on TV and Bill Mahr for calling one of Trumps  parents an Ape. If you are going to punish one, punish them all.

[baldo]

Well there is most definitely a double standard here. I don't by any means condone what Roseanne tweeted. BUT the hypocrisy from the left is rampant. Samantha Bee calls Ivanka Trump the c-word on air on her show on TBS and nothing. Roseanne apologizes afterwards and still looses her show and rightfully so. Samantha Bee apologizes and nothing. I hear her show has lost a couple of sponsors but she is still on the air. TBS needs to step up and fallow ABCs lead. This untalented "comedian" constantly goes after Trump,his family and this administration. Ask yourself a question.  How long would a conservative comedian had lasted if they had gone after Obamas daughters like this? My guess not long.

 Geraldo was on FOX last night saying the c-word is the gender equivalent of the n-word. I think I have to agree with him.

 

I don't remember Obama's daughters holding any kind of position in his administration.

What Bee said was wrong, all it does is feed fuel to the fire for the right. But it's not the same thing as Roseann getting racial. Two very different things.

[Serk]

But when a "journalist" calls Ben Carson a porch monkey that's okay...

...if it weren't for double standards, some wouldn't have any standards at all...

(And yeah, the so-called "journalist" has doubled down on this statement, you see, she's black, so it's impossible for her to be racist. https://www.theroot.com/for-white-people-who-pretend-to-not-understand-what-rac-1826427170 )

[Wizzard]

Well there is most definitely a double standard here. I don't by any means condone what Roseanne tweeted. BUT the hypocrisy from the left is rampant. Samantha Bee calls Ivanka Trump the c-word on air on her show on TBS and nothing. Roseanne apologizes afterwards and still looses her show and rightfully so. Samantha Bee apologizes and nothing. I hear her show has lost a couple of sponsors but she is still on the air. TBS needs to step up and fallow ABCs lead. This untalented "comedian" constantly goes after Trump,his family and this administration. Ask yourself a question.  How long would a conservative comedian had lasted if they had gone after Obamas daughters like this? My guess not long.

 Geraldo was on FOX last night saying the c-word is the gender equivalent of the n-word. I think I have to agree with him.

 

I don't remember Obama's daughters holding any kind of position in his administration.

What Bee said was wrong, all it does is feed fuel to the fire for the right. But it's not the same thing as Roseann getting racial. Two very different things.

Seems its always "different" when it comes to defending the left.

[baldo]

I don't remember Obama's daughters holding any kind of position in his administration.

What Bee said was wrong, all it does is feed fuel to the fire for the right. But it's not the same thing as Roseann getting racial. Two very different things.

Seems its always "different" when it comes to defending the left.

No, it's different when it's different.

[Wizzard]

Its not different,, anymore than Wanda Sykes calling Trump an Orangutan,, or Samantha B calling Ivanka a C##T. Its all wrong, and wrong is wrong. Or Wanda saying white people don't steal wallets,, they steal countries, I could go on and on. ITS ALL WRONG. You just choose how you classify it or what you ignore

[Gryphon Rider]

It's not really hypocritical.  ABC doesn't like its employees making derogatory statements about its friends.  Making derogatory statements about its enemies is different.  Many posting on this board have demonstrated the same philosophy.

[MAD6Gun]

Well there is most definitely a double standard here. I don't by any means condone what Roseanne tweeted. BUT the hypocrisy from the left is rampant. Samantha Bee calls Ivanka Trump the c-word on air on her show on TBS and nothing. Roseanne apologizes afterwards and still looses her show and rightfully so. Samantha Bee apologizes and nothing. I hear her show has lost a couple of sponsors but she is still on the air. TBS needs to step up and fallow ABCs lead. This untalented "comedian" constantly goes after Trump,his family and this administration. Ask yourself a question.  How long would a conservative comedian had lasted if they had gone after Obamas daughters like this? My guess not long.

 Geraldo was on FOX last night saying the c-word is the gender equivalent of the n-word. I think I have to agree with him.

 

I don't remember Obama's daughters holding any kind of position in his administration.

What Bee said was wrong, all it does is feed fuel to the fire for the right. But it's not the same thing as Roseann getting racial. Two very different things.

 So because Ivanka works in the white house this makes her fair game? Does she deserve this kind of degrading and disgusting diatribe just because of who her father is. I guess judging by your ideals that would be yes?  So with that in mind wouldn't that make Valarie Jerett fair game too? She worked in the white house.

 What Roseanne said was reprehensible but so was what Samantha Bee said weather you think so or not. Samantha called her the c-word as well as suggesting she is having a insestual relationship with her father. You don't think that is bad?  Roseanne said it in a tweet. Bad enough. But Bee said it on her show which means it was scripted. So TBS knew ahead of time what she was going to say. That makes them no better then her. In my opinion that makes their apology moot.....

[Moonshot_1]

Looking into this Rosanne thing, I guess I don't see the racist part of this. It was claimed to be racist but it may not have even been close.

I'm not sure what or why Rosanne chose to comment on Valerie Jarret.

Now I follow politics a bit. I knew of Jarret and her being an advisor to Obama. When this got thrown into the "racist" mode, I was a bit confused as I had no idea Jarret was "African American".
If you Google her and see the photos of her you would be hard pressed to conclude she is an "African American" woman.

Even in one of Rosanne's many apologies she states that she had no idea Jarret was "African American"
Jarret is only part African American. She is, and has identified herself as of Iranian decent.

So what would cause Rosanne to reference "The Planet of the Apes" ?

Now I happen to find Valerie Jarret a rather cute woman. Appearance wise, of course. But even I see a likeness to one of the characters in the movie. Not all the apes or chimps but one in particular, which would be Zira, played by Kim Hunter.

Now, if you do a search of Kim Hunter and Valerie Jarret you would find that both of them have remarkable similar facial features. Put some makeup on Hunter and there you have it.

So anyway, not seeing anything racist about the comment although I do believe she was dissing her appearance in a not real funny joke.