Separation of families at the border: opinions?

[Savago]

Dear Friends

I would rather talk about my 1500 miles roadtrip through the California's High passes and deserts, or of the new LED spotlight I've installed in one of my bikes, *but* there is this elephant in the room.

It seems that the current administration started a policy of separating families of illegals entering the country.

No, there is no such law requiring this separation to happen. That is the opinion of law doctors on the subject.

The supporters of this policy seem to be divided on 4 fields:

a) We don't have this policy.

b) It is the law.

c) The kids are better on their 'summer camp'.

d) The kids were kidnapped by MS-13 thugs.

I won't waste my time debunking each one of this, it is easy to do the research and see that all of the above is wrong or a plain lie.

I'm just curious to know what you guys think about the subject?

Regards

Savago

[bscrive]

Really stupid idea by Trump to 'enforce' the existing law.  He finally got a brain and is going to rescind the law with an executive order.  Probably it is not his idea, that is why he looks so unhappy about it.  He liked blaming his actions on the democrats.

[Jess from VA]

First, this did not start with Trump.

Second, when we arrest any American citizen, we do not take his kids to jail with him.  Of course Americans usually have someone else to take care of the arestee's kids. But if they don't, they become wards of the State, and are often farmed out to foster parents (who get paid by the state for doing so).  When the illegal parents get locked up for violation of American law, we can't just release their kids on their own, or send them back over the border alone.  So we take care of them..... at taxpayer expense mind you.

Under criminal law, we could probably charge the kids with illegal entry too, but we don't.  

If the illegals crossing with kids did not know this, they should have, it's been going on a long time.

This is just another in a long line of Trump bashing, nothing more.

It's not a great situation for the kids.  But it's the kid's parent's fault, not Trump's or America's fault.

If they want it to stop, they should stop trespassing into our Country (with their kids).  

There is certainly no obligation for the US to create some sort of expansive detention camps so illegals and their kids can be kept together.

(We did that with the Japanese (who had not committed any crimes) in WWII, to our everlasting shame.)

[ZekeValk]

The parents broke the law of the United States by crossing the border and were incarcerated.  The law say the kids can't be held with their parents.  

The law has been ignored for years.  This is what was stopped.  But, it doesn't matter now.  The President signed an executive order putting a policy in place to fix it since congress didn't act.  

My opinion, the kids will be fine.  How much do you remember from before you were 10 years old?  And after 10 years old you probably didn't hang out with your parents much anyway.  Aside from that, where the children are being held is much more comfortable than the experience they had getting to the border.  

Parents in the US probably would be arrested for child endangerment for putting their kids through a journey like they have to go through to in order to get to the border.  But, that's moot because most spoiled American kids wouldn't make the trip...including my own.

[..]

I would rather talk about my 1500 miles roadtrip through the California's High passes and deserts, or of the new LED spotlight I've installed in one of my bikes

So why not do JUST THAT???

[old2soon]

I M H O and others I just read-Come to America the good ol U S of A LEGALLY with the correct paper work and you stand a Much Betta chance of being Welcomed than you do of being incarcerated and having your Children taken away from you. It IS so effin SIMPLE it IS down right SCARY. The very people That ARE up in arms bout the separation thingy are Very Simply overlooking this Fact. The ones bitching the longest and the loudest hear What they wanna hear and See What they wanna see. RIDE SAFE.

[Savago]

I would rather talk about my 1500 miles roadtrip through the California's High passes and deserts, or of the new LED spotlight I've installed in one of my bikes

So why not do JUST THAT???

And I will pretty soon, but as I've said: "*but* there is this elephant in the room."

[..]

I would rather talk about my 1500 miles roadtrip through the California's High passes and deserts, or of the new LED spotlight I've installed in one of my bikes

So why not do JUST THAT???

And I will pretty soon, but as I've said: "*but* there is this elephant in the room."

You brought it into this "room"

It's already been dragged through another "room" on this forum.

[..]

The supporters of this policy seem to be divided on 4 fields:

a) We don't have this policy.

b) It is the law.

c) The kids are better on their 'summer camp'.

d) The kids were kidnapped by MS-13 thugs.

I won't waste my time debunking each one of this, it is easy to do the research and see that all of the above is wrong or a plain lie.

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

[Psychotic Bovine]

Dear Friends

I would rather talk about my 1500 miles roadtrip through the California's High passes and deserts, or of the new LED spotlight I've installed in one of my bikes, *but* there is this elephant in the room.

It seems that the current administration started a policy of separating families of illegals entering the country.

No, there is no such law requiring this separation to happen. That is the opinion of law doctors on the subject.

The supporters of this policy seem to be divided on 4 fields:

a) We don't have this policy.

b) It is the law.

c) The kids are better on their 'summer camp'.

d) The kids were kidnapped by MS-13 thugs.

I won't waste my time debunking each one of this, it is easy to do the research and see that all of the above is wrong or a plain lie.

I'm just curious to know what you guys think about the subject?

Regards

Savago

I think you should put up or shut up.

Put up:  take some of those families into your house.  Feed and take care of them.  Or pay for them to become legal citizens.  Or go to all of those rich limousine libs in La La land and plead to them to take in these families.  Basically, a lot of us in the rest of the country east of the sh*thole that is California are tired of the mess you guys have created.
Shut up:  self explanatory.

[Wizzard]

If any other law is broken, families are split up? Why is this any different?

[..]

If any other law is broken, families are split up? Why is this any different?

Don't ask difficult questions. 

[Serk]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My opinion, the kids will be fine.  How much do you remember from before you were 10 years old?  And after 10 years old you probably didn't hang out with your parents much anyway.  Aside from that, where the children are being held is much more comfortable than the experience they had getting to the border.  

What an asinine thing to say.

[NewValker]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

[Wizzard]

I don't like to see families split up either, but wow, if you commit a crime you suffer the consequence.

[Wizzard]

My opinion, the kids will be fine.  How much do you remember from before you were 10 years old?  And after 10 years old you probably didn't hang out with your parents much anyway.  Aside from that, where the children are being held is much more comfortable than the experience they had getting to the border.  

What an asinine thing to say.

Yep,, and I remember tons from before I was 10. Thankfully all of it is good.

[Psychotic Bovine]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Thanks to Calif*ckyou's sanctuary state status, they are making the problem worse for the rest of the country.  Maybe the border that needs to be secured is the one that separates Cali from the states to their east.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

[Psychotic Bovine]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

Maybe they could all band together and force change on their own country?  I am not being sarcastic (for once), but completely serious. Many countries have done it.  The other alternative is for the US to invade and change their government by force, but that would be a disaster.

[Serk]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

If they're really, truly, legitimately fleeing such circumstances and not just taking advantage of our overly generous nature, then there are plenty of US Consulates in Mexico they can apply at without breaking our laws.

[Savago]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

[..]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

[Savago]

Thanks to Calif*ckyou's sanctuary state status, they are making the problem worse for the rest of the country.  Maybe the border that needs to be secured is the one that separates Cali from the states to their east.

Wow... quite bad vibe there, bro. I guess you do justice to your nickname...
 

Following your logic, you also got to build secure borders around cities in Oregon, Washington, Utah, Texas, Florida, Illinois, NY, DC, Maryland, Minnesota, etc.

I'm talking about: http://www.apsanlaw.com/law-246.List-of-Sanctuary-cities.html

[..]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

If they're really, truly, legitimately fleeing such circumstances and not just taking advantage of our overly generous nature, then there are plenty of US Consulates in Mexico they can apply at without breaking our laws.

If not to apply at the very least to determine the CORRECT LEGAL procedure.

[Moonshot_1]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

Right there is the problem. They come to escape death from the cartels and the corruption. They enter our country illegally and we give them a safe place to be, food, shelter, and even health care while they wait for the disposition of the parent's criminal case to be determined. And we are the inhumane ones? Why the hell aren't we looking at the cartels and corruption in the countries of origin? WHERE IS THE CONDEMNATION OF THOSE COUNTRIES?

While this isn't directly caused by a law, it is a result caused by the enforcement of it per the judicial system. Where is the condemnation of Congress on this matter? It is their law and they are the body that makes law. The Executive branch enforces the law. Why has Congress not fixed this with legislation?

To do what Trump did today by executive order will throw this even deeper into chaos. He can't make law.

If you are not legally entitled to be here and you enter this country at any place not an official point of entry you are automatically returned to your country of origin. No exceptions.

[bscrive]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

[Savago]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

+1.

[baldo]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

Two excellent views on the subject at hand.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Thanks to Calif*ckyou's sanctuary state status, they are making the problem worse for the rest of the country.  Maybe the border that needs to be secured is the one that separates Cali from the states to their east.

Wow... quite bad vibe there, bro. I guess you do justice to your nickname...
 

Following your logic, you also got to build secure borders around cities in Oregon, Washington, Utah, Texas, Florida, Illinois, NY, DC, Maryland, Minnesota, etc.

I'm talking about: http://www.apsanlaw.com/law-246.List-of-Sanctuary-cities.html

Last I checked, those are cities.  California chooses to have the entire state be a sanctuary.  Heck, it's so corrupt that many cities refuse to recognize the sanctuary status and there is talk about splitting up the state.  The makers are tired of the takers.  
I see nothing wrong with my "vibe".  I'm tired of working and having my money handed over to those who willingly break the law.  Sure, these counties suck so bad their citizens are leaving, but maybe those citizens should step up and and try to improve their country rather than take the easy route and steal from the US people.

[michaelyoung254]

Where was the faux outrage when this was done by the previous administrations? This whole thing is nothing more than another example of the liberal fine Americans becoming outraged anytime MSM tells them to be outraged.

[Savago]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

Sure, like I said, you go next.

Don't wanna answer, it is fine.

[Savago]

Where was the faux outrage when this was done by the previous administrations?

This separation of families 'by default' is something newly introduced by the current administration.

Both Obama and Bush didn't do it.

[..]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

Pass them right through to Canada. That's the ticket. Show your compassion. Get in touch with your Govt and tell 'em you'll pick up the tab for the flight, accommodation, food etc

Go on and then show us your email/letter telling your Govt. Go on.

Make me laugh.

[Gavin_Sons]

Where was the faux outrage when this was done by the previous administrations?

This separation of families 'by default' is a something newly introduced by the current administration.

Both Obama and Bush didn't do it.

So Trump is the bad guy for enforcing the law? I think more laws should be enforced

[..]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

Sure, like I said, you go next.

Don't wanna answer, it is fine.

Stop your silly deflecting. It's childish and shows you up.


So b) is both wrong and a plain lie???

The law is wrong and a plain lie?

Do I have it correct now?

[..]

From a "reputable" left source

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/06/18/msnbc-panel-admits-obama-also-separated-immigrant-families

[Savago]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

Sure, like I said, you go next.

Don't wanna answer, it is fine.

Stop your silly deflecting. It's childish and shows you up.


So b) is both wrong and a plain lie???

The law is wrong and a plain lie?

Do I have it correct now?

Like I said, it is fine if you don't wanna answer (and I'm not even calling you 'childish'... as you did).

The basic concept of a conversation is that there is exchange of ideas: I address your question, you address mine next.

You wanna run an interrogation here (for God knows whatever reason).

[..]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

Sure, like I said, you go next.

Don't wanna answer, it is fine.

Stop your silly deflecting. It's childish and shows you up.


So b) is both wrong and a plain lie???

The law is wrong and a plain lie?

Do I have it correct now?

Like I said, it is fine if you don't wanna answer (and I'm not even calling you 'childish'... as you did).

The basic concept of a conversation is that there is exchange of ideas: I address your question, you address mine next.

You wanna run an interrogation here (for God knows whatever reason).

Holy moly you said that ONE thing was both wrong and a plain lie?

I'm simply trying to determine if you are saying that ONE thing is WRONG both times.

Do you understand?

As to interrogation I think you will find that you ASKED THE FIRST F'IN QUESTIONS in this thread.

[..]

b) are you saying this is wrong or a plain lie?

Sure, but since I've addressed your previous question I guess is fair that you next address mine: what is your opinion on the subject of separating the families of illegals crossing the border?

One step at a time.

Is b) wrong

OR is b) a plain lie

As happens in the USA when someone breaks the law and goes to jail THEY DO NOT get to play happy families whilst in jail unless it's visiting time.