NY Governor Cuomo Celebrates Allowing Abortion Up Until Birth

[f6john]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

[f6john]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

Don't need to ask. Already know. They flew themselves and their 30 year old daughter to Seattle for a third trimester abortion because of gene issue that caused retardation. I can't remember the name of the condition. These are folks that have voted Republican their entire life.
 The point is, not everybody, liberals or conservatives can be pigeon holed into a preconceived position. There are plenty of liberals that would also NEVER consider an abortion. Myself being one. 100% you say ? Not even frigging close.

[f6john]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

Don't need to ask. Already know. They flew themselves and their 30 year old daughter to Seattle for a third trimester abortion because of gene issue that caused retardation. I can't remember the name of the condition. These are folks that have voted Republican their entire life.
 The point is, not everybody, liberals or conservatives can be pigeon holed into a preconceived position. There are plenty of liberals that would also NEVER consider an abortion. Myself being one. 100% you say ? Not even frigging close.

I know I’m wasting my time typing this but I do have a stubborn streak. You conservative friends issue was not a Republican or Democratic issue. They had a family medical issue that I assume was handled the best for all involved and generated a lot of tears. It doesn’t matter how they have voted in the past, it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. There are no conservatives (no meaning 100%) that would support an abortion that is performed within days or hours of a pending birth. You want to be right and split hairs so badly that you can’t or won’t acknowledge that this is coming totally 100% from the liberal faction of government. Not frigging close, give me a break. I don’t know how you feel personally about abortion and it’s none of my business but if it’s your position to stand behind the NY law, that’s just sad. And trying to sling mud around with your poll results is pretty lame too. Roe vs Wade is bad enough but this new law is beyond my imagination. Sadly, I don’t have a one size fits all revision for RvW cause if I did you would hear it here first.

I’ve said my piece and I’m done trying to express my thoughts on this genocide.

[solo1]

What would happen if New York had a case where a criminal shot and killed a mother to be with an 8 month fetus?  In Indiana, there would be a double charge of homicide. 

The legislation that NY AND Illinois just passed on abortion, hopefully, is so outrageous that maybe, just maybe, it will be challenged and taken to SCOTUS. Maybe, just maybe, Roe vs Wade will be looked at again.

[98valk]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

Don't need to ask. Already know. They flew themselves and their 30 year old daughter to Seattle for a third trimester abortion because of gene issue that caused retardation. I can't remember the name of the condition. These are folks that have voted Republican their entire life.
 The point is, not everybody, liberals or conservatives can be pigeon holed into a preconceived position. There are plenty of liberals that would also NEVER consider an abortion. Myself being one. 100% you say ? Not even frigging close.

then they made themselves out to be god, with no right in making a death decision. Only God has the right to make life and death decisions.
 Ecclesiastes 8:8 As no man has power over the wind to contain it, so there is no authority over the day of death.

[Serk]

What would happen if New York had a case where a criminal shot and killed a mother to be with an 8 month fetus?  In Indiana, there would be a double charge of homicide. 

Prior to the implementation of this new law someone harming a pregnant woman and her baby would be charged with extra crimes in New York.

After passage of this new law, the baby has no legal standing, there would be no extra charges added to someone who murders a 8.9 month pregnant woman.

"Provisions in the bill include dropping most restrictions on abortions after 24 weeks, allowing midwives and nurse practitioners to perform abortions and ending criminal charges for harming children in the womb.

Livia Abreu of the Bronx lost her baby in a 2018 domestic violence attack. Charges against her ex-boyfriend, Oscar Alvarez, include abortion in the first degree.

“The passing of RHA will exonerate him from those charges. I cannot imagine living in a world where harming or killing an unborn child is not a crime,” Abreu said."

Source - https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01/22/reproductive-health-act-new-york-legislature-gov-andrew-cuomo-roe-v-wade/

[Gavin_Sons]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

Don't need to ask. Already know. They flew themselves and their 30 year old daughter to Seattle for a third trimester abortion because of gene issue that caused retardation. I can't remember the name of the condition. These are folks that have voted Republican their entire life.
 The point is, not everybody, liberals or conservatives can be pigeon holed into a preconceived position. There are plenty of liberals that would also NEVER consider an abortion. Myself being one. 100% you say ? Not even frigging close.

So your friends killed a baby because it was mentally retarded? Am i reading this correctly?

[Gavin_Sons]

before you know it, it will be legal to kill your teenager because you don't want to deal with them.
Anyone who thinks abortions after the first trimester is at all moral you are sick individuals and need some serious help.

[scooperhsd]

Before you all get your knickers in a bunch - find out what the law actually says -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/

[Serk]

Before you all get your knickers in a bunch - find out what the law actually says -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/

I have. I read the actual law. "Or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health."

In other words, they just have to coach the would-be mother to say "Carrying this 8.9 month pregnancy to term will harm my mental health." and sign here, pay here, zip zap out it comes, thank you very much  see you next time.

Full text of the law if anyone wants to read it (It's only 5 pages): https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2017/A1748

[f6john]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

I won’t contest your numbers but they don’t mean anything. Not all Republicans are all that conservative just as all Democrats are not all equally liberal. As an an example, I am a registered Democrat since 1970 but I want no part of where the Democrats are heading. I’m a conservative and not sure what that makes me other athan a target for people like Obama, Hilliary, Nancy and Chuck. I’d rather think I’m more American than anything else. If you can find me a conservative that supports this, I’d certainly like to speak to them. I will go out on a limb and say I think it is a 100% liberal illness regardless of party affiliation.

And I say you are completely wrong. I myself know several conservatives who feel the government has no place in this issue, and that it is an individual right.

I might agree with them. But the subject at hand is/was choice and super late term abortion, 100% liberal agenda. Ask your conservative acquaintances how they view this latest development in NY. I would love to hear their response.

Don't need to ask. Already know. They flew themselves and their 30 year old daughter to Seattle for a third trimester abortion because of gene issue that caused retardation. I can't remember the name of the condition. These are folks that have voted Republican their entire life.
 The point is, not everybody, liberals or conservatives can be pigeon holed into a preconceived position. There are plenty of liberals that would also NEVER consider an abortion. Myself being one. 100% you say ? Not even frigging close.

So your friends killed a baby because it was mentally retarded? Am i reading this correctly?

I gave him a pass on this one because there is no way to know all the facts. I have a niece with Down’s syndrome and she is 48 now so I know some of the challenges faced by that. No one suggested that my sister should abort her baby but back then she was offered to give up her baby and have her institutionalized and this was by our government since she was born at a Naval Hospital in Virginia. On the flip side of that, Rob views them as conservatives and they may think they are conservative but who knows, actions speak louder than words. I won’t judge them since I don’t know all the facts.

[f6john]

Before you all get your knickers in a bunch - find out what the law actually says -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/

I have. I read the actual law. "Or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health."

In other words, they just have to coach the would-be mother to say "Carrying this 8.9 month pregnancy to term will harm my mental health." and sign here, pay here, zip zap out it comes, thank you very much  see you next time.

Full text of the law if anyone wants to read it (It's only 5 pages): https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2017/A1748

Agreed, the link didn’t give me any warm fuzzy relief. It was stated that the law was designed as an end run around R v W in the event it were ever to be overturned.

[Patrick]

before you know it, it will be legal to kill your teenager because you don't want to deal with them.
Anyone who thinks abortions after the first trimester is at all moral you are sick individuals and need some serious help.

There are millions of them !

[98valk]

before you know it, it will be legal to kill your teenager because you don't want to deal with them.
Anyone who thinks abortions after the first trimester is at all moral you are sick individuals and need some serious help.

http://euthanasia.com/prince.html
More than 100 protesters denounced Princeton University on Saturday for hiring a philosopher whose extreme views include allowing parents to end the lives of their severely disabled infants.

"Nazi Germany did the same thing to the disabled, judging their lives not worth living. We object to that," said John Scaturro, 49, who protested near the Ivy League school along with his wife and young daughter.

University officials stood by the appointment of Peter Singer, a professor whose academic work they say will contribute to scholarship and ethics debates at Princeton.

Singer, a professor at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia, was appointed last year to the Ira W. DeCamp Professorship of Bioethics at the university's Center for Human Values. He is to begin work in July.

The 52-year-old academic is widely considered the father of the international animal rights movement yet has argued parents should have the right to euthanize newborn children who have severe handicaps.

In his books, Singer has said that children less than one month old have no human consciousness and do not have the same rights as others.

"Killing a defective infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person," he wrote in one book. "Sometimes it is not wrong at all."

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

[Gavin_Sons]

you guys are explaining why i like my dogs better than most people. I love my dogs but i never thought they day would come that pets have more rights than humans. Dogs don't even kill their babies unless they are already dead and then they eat them. Maybe we should start making these women eat their fetuses. 

[fudgie]

you guys are explaining why i like my dogs better than most people. I love my dogs but i never thought they day would come that pets have more rights than humans. Dogs don't even kill their babies unless they are already dead and then they eat them. Maybe we should start making these women eat their fetuses. 

Some places do eat the placenta.  ???

[The emperor has no clothes]

you guys are explaining why i like my dogs better than most people. I love my dogs but i never thought they day would come that pets have more rights than humans. Dogs don't even kill their babies unless they are already dead and then they eat them. Maybe we should start making these women eat their fetuses. 

Some places do eat the placenta.  ???

[Gavin_Sons]

you guys are explaining why i like my dogs better than most people. I love my dogs but i never thought they day would come that pets have more rights than humans. Dogs don't even kill their babies unless they are already dead and then they eat them. Maybe we should start making these women eat their fetuses. 

Some places do eat the placenta.  ???

I have heard that, or bury it in with a new tree.

[Firefighter]

The radical liberals would be out of business if not for the liberal press preaching for them 24/7. If not for liberal schools and teachers indoctrinating the young. Liberals have NOTHING to bring to the table, nothing to help this country, so if they can tear it down piece by piece, they can find indoctrinated people that become victims. That is why everything is raciest, why men should use the women's room if they feel like it, why killing baby humans is alright, why history is being erased, why gay is cool, why the rich are bad, wetbacks are immigrants now, tree huggers rule, etc, etc. All loud voting victims. These naive victims are loud and the willing press are happy to help them, since they vote! Hillary wanted felons to be able to vote! wasn't that sweet of her, worried about these people,, why would you think she is so caring?


I think the liberals are wanting a one party government, a socialist party to rule all us little people. Happened before in other countries, can again. Tear the country down, divide us, take our rights away, make us depend on a bigger and bigger government until we take what ever we are offered to survive. 2 cents

[The emperor has no clothes]

The radical liberals would be out of business if not for the liberal press preaching for them 24/7. If not for liberal schools and teachers indoctrinating the young. Liberals have NOTHING to bring to the table, nothing to help this country, so if they can tear it down piece by piece, they can find indoctrinated people that become victims. That is why everything is raciest, why men should use the women's room if they feel like it, why killing baby humans is alright, why history is being erased, why gay is cool, why the rich are bad, wetbacks are immigrants now, tree huggers rule, etc, etc. All loud voting victims. These naive victims are loud and the willing press are happy to help them, since they vote! Hillary wanted felons to be able to vote! wasn't that sweet of her, worried about these people,, why would you think she is so caring?


I think the liberals are wanting a one party government, a socialist party to rule all us little people. Happened before in other countries, can again. Tear the country down, divide us, take our rights away, make us depend on a bigger and bigger government until we take what ever we are offered to survive. 2 cents

You really feel liberals have nothing to add to this country ? If a liberal were to serve his country wouldn't that be adding something ? The amount of hyperbole some people are capable of is sometimes just amazing. 

[Moonshot_1]

The radical liberals would be out of business if not for the liberal press preaching for them 24/7. If not for liberal schools and teachers indoctrinating the young. Liberals have NOTHING to bring to the table, nothing to help this country, so if they can tear it down piece by piece, they can find indoctrinated people that become victims. That is why everything is raciest, why men should use the women's room if they feel like it, why killing baby humans is alright, why history is being erased, why gay is cool, why the rich are bad, wetbacks are immigrants now, tree huggers rule, etc, etc. All loud voting victims. These naive victims are loud and the willing press are happy to help them, since they vote! Hillary wanted felons to be able to vote! wasn't that sweet of her, worried about these people,, why would you think she is so caring?


I think the liberals are wanting a one party government, a socialist party to rule all us little people. Happened before in other countries, can again. Tear the country down, divide us, take our rights away, make us depend on a bigger and bigger government until we take what ever we are offered to survive. 2 cents

You really feel liberals have nothing to add to this country ? If a liberal were to serve his country wouldn't that be adding something ? The amount of hyperbole some people are capable of is sometimes just amazing. 

Perhaps you can explain something to me. I just can't reconcile this concept.

I can assume that you would be very much for government funded pre-natal assistance. I would also assume you would be for such programs as soon as the pregnancy is discovered or known.

If so, how can you rationalize someone killing the very purpose of pre-natal programs? If it isn't a person, if it isn't human life then why the pre-natal program? What possible purpose can it serve?

If it is to ensure a healthy child, then by what logic do we get to kill it?

This is about as bi-polar as I've ever seen.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The radical liberals would be out of business if not for the liberal press preaching for them 24/7. If not for liberal schools and teachers indoctrinating the young. Liberals have NOTHING to bring to the table, nothing to help this country, so if they can tear it down piece by piece, they can find indoctrinated people that become victims. That is why everything is raciest, why men should use the women's room if they feel like it, why killing baby humans is alright, why history is being erased, why gay is cool, why the rich are bad, wetbacks are immigrants now, tree huggers rule, etc, etc. All loud voting victims. These naive victims are loud and the willing press are happy to help them, since they vote! Hillary wanted felons to be able to vote! wasn't that sweet of her, worried about these people,, why would you think she is so caring?


I think the liberals are wanting a one party government, a socialist party to rule all us little people. Happened before in other countries, can again. Tear the country down, divide us, take our rights away, make us depend on a bigger and bigger government until we take what ever we are offered to survive. 2 cents

You really feel liberals have nothing to add to this country ? If a liberal were to serve his country wouldn't that be adding something ? The amount of hyperbole some people are capable of is sometimes just amazing. 

Perhaps you can explain something to me. I just can't reconcile this concept.

I can assume that you would be very much for government funded pre-natal assistance. I would also assume you would be for such programs as soon as the pregnancy is discovered or known.

If so, how can you rationalize someone killing the very purpose of pre-natal programs? If it isn't a person, if it isn't human life then why the pre-natal program? What possible purpose can it serve?

If it is to ensure a healthy child, then by what logic do we get to kill it?

This is about as bi-polar as I've ever seen.

And why would you assume these things ?

[Moonshot_1]

Ok, you oppose pre-natal health care. I stand corrected.

[The emperor has no clothes]

f
Ok, you oppose pre-natal health care. I stand corrected.

I don't think I've ever even thought about pre-natal care. To assume anyone even a 1/4"  left of center is in favor of abortions is about as asinine as assuming that anyone right of center is a racist. This goes to this over the top hyperbole many throw around about people of opposing political views. It's just plain dumb.




I'm still interested in why you assumed these things about me ?

[f6john]

Oh my gosh, I thought I spent too much time on the VRCC boards but then I glanced at meatheads post count. 20,400!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Oh my gosh, I thought I spent too much time on the VRCC boards but then I glanced at meatheads post count. 20,400!

I apologize  (20,401) 

[Oss]

Yes Meat is an extremely prolific poster, but I don't see the harm in his posts (I have only gotten to 9000 or so since 2003- I dont remember how many under the old board format) whereas Wayne Hebert who was strong eagle and a few other handles and some others were just plain vitrolic and demeaning,

The adm has a tough job, that pays nothing but a week of even harder work putting together Inzane and a few pennies left over (if attendance is high enough even to break even)

I do not want nor envy their jobs and salute them for their devotion to us dues paying members

My view is as follows
It is dumb to have pre natal care if a person is just going to...for no reason at all save "convenience" abort a child before it can be born and qualify as a human being.  
I would like to see the law changed to state that if a fetus could survive outside the womb, (call it six months, maybe seven,  a mother can not willfully abort it without being charged herself for murder.  

The mother has MONTHS to decide, if she cant then she should put the child up for adoption and make an infertile couple, or single person joyful for the rest of their lives.

If the woman was raped, she knows that day, no reason to wait 8 months to abort.  If testing shows the child will have a horrid painful short life, that is not just "I feel like an abortion today" and the law should allow for that. If the mother is in danger of death herself the law already allows for that  If a woman decides she wants to dump her spouse at 8 months, she should no longer have the right to abort his child. It is intentional infliction of emotional harm, a tort at minimum

[scooperhsd]

My view is as follows
It is dumb to have pre natal care if a person is just going to...for no reason at all save "convenience" abort a child before it can be born and qualify as a human being. 
I would like to see the law changed to state that if a fetus could survive outside the womb, (call it six months, maybe seven,  a mother can not willfully abort it without being charged herself for murder.   

The mother has MONTHS to decide, if she cant then she should put the child up for adoption and make an infertile couple, or single person joyful for the rest of their lives.

If the woman was raped, she knows that day, no reason to wait 8 months to abort.  If testing shows the child will have a horrid painful short life, that is not just "I feel like an abortion today" and the law should allow for that. If the mother is in danger of death herself the law already allows for that  If a woman decides she wants to dump her spouse at 8 months, she should no longer have the right to abort his child. It is intentional infliction of emotional harm, a tort at minimum

This expresses it perfectly.

For the rest of you - if you are truly anti-abortion - then you should walk the walk as well as talk the talk. This means YOU - personally - if you know about a woman who wants to abort - then YOU - PERSONALLY - should go adopt that baby yourself, to raise.

Otherwise - don't go quoting those scriptures - "Judge not, lest ye be judged" -
and all that other  stuff about who issues the final judgement on a person's life.

[98valk]

My view is as follows
It is dumb to have pre natal care if a person is just going to...for no reason at all save "convenience" abort a child before it can be born and qualify as a human being. 
I would like to see the law changed to state that if a fetus could survive outside the womb, (call it six months, maybe seven,  a mother can not willfully abort it without being charged herself for murder.   

The mother has MONTHS to decide, if she cant then she should put the child up for adoption and make an infertile couple, or single person joyful for the rest of their lives.

If the woman was raped, she knows that day, no reason to wait 8 months to abort.  If testing shows the child will have a horrid painful short life, that is not just "I feel like an abortion today" and the law should allow for that. If the mother is in danger of death herself the law already allows for that  If a woman decides she wants to dump her spouse at 8 months, she should no longer have the right to abort his child. It is intentional infliction of emotional harm, a tort at minimum

This expresses it perfectly.

For the rest of you - if you are truly anti-abortion - then you should walk the walk as well as talk the talk. This means YOU - personally - if you know about a woman who wants to abort - then YOU - PERSONALLY - should go adopt that baby yourself, to raise.

Otherwise - don't go quoting those scriptures - "Judge not, lest ye be judged" -
and all that other  stuff about who issues the final judgement on a person's life.

we are not allowed to judge the person and their heart because only God knows a man/womans heart, however we are allowed and are commanded to judge a person's sin.

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[Firefighter]

Meathead, If you served your country, I would be happy to thank you for your service, sure you know that was not what was meant.

If radical liberals had there way there would be no military to serve in.

[phideux]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

Just because you support choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion. I would be embarrassed to call myself either a D or an R nowadays, I'm more along the lines of a conservative Libertarian, but the Ds would definitely call me an R.
I am anti-abortion but pro choice. I personally do not believe in abortion, would not support abortions, would never want to see anyone in my family have an abortion. That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

[baldo]

Just because you support choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion. I would be embarrassed to call myself either a D or an R nowadays, I'm more along the lines of a conservative Libertarian, but the Ds would definitely call me an R.
I am anti-abortion but pro choice. I personally do not believe in abortion, would not support abortions, would never want to see anyone in my family have an abortion. That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

Well said. I think this rationale would fit many people, myself included.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just because you support choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion. I would be embarrassed to call myself either a D or an R nowadays, I'm more along the lines of a conservative Libertarian, but the Ds would definitely call me an R.
I am anti-abortion but pro choice. I personally do not believe in abortion, would not support abortions, would never want to see anyone in my family have an abortion. That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

And maybe 75-80% of the population. But everybody seems to have a huge desire to paint their side as a descendant of Mother Theresa and the other side as the spawn of the devil. It has become tiresome to me. I should just shrug it off I guess.

Well said. I think this rationale would fit many people, myself included.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, If you served your country, I would be happy to thank you for your service, sure you know that was not what was meant.

If radical liberals had there way there would be no military to serve in.

Firefighter, I view you as a decent man. If my response came across as anything other than that, I apologize. But, I'm afraid you are missing my point. I'm not familiar with these radical liberals who would do away with the military. But I will grant you, there are probably some out there. I suspect a small percentage. I'm also sure there are radical conservatives out there who would shoot on sight any woman, man, or child who stepped foot across the border you live near (and I was born at). These 2 factions don't define us as a people. When one puts out the statement that liberals or conservatives have nothing to add to our country, it just drives the wedge in further. At least it does for me. By most standards here I am a liberal. I have and hopefully will continue to add value to our country. As I'm sure you as a conservative will also.

[Skinhead]

Hillary wanted felons to be able to vote! wasn't that sweet of her, worried about these people,, why would you think she is so caring?

She is just looking out for her peers.

[Robert]

That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

What does that really mean pro-choice/pro-abortion? Pretty easy terms for the killing of a child.

Question:

Would anyone here be against a law that says if a woman's life is in danger, was raped, or the baby will be genetically defective or terminally ill and at doctors agreement they can have an abortion if they decide to. If there is an oops then in first couple of months termination is also possible. Not repeatedly either which is done all to often.



 What is the problem with using birth control? Does a woman not know within the first months of pregnancy if she is pregnant in most cases?

I would really ask, if everyone is not pro abortion, then what are you really choosing to support?

You are choosing the right for someone's choice to kill a baby at any gestation period at the decision of the mother good or bad. Since most can already get an abortion without a real problem what is the real gain?

Child services takes children away from parents and the government is taking control of kids and not allowing parents to discipline their own kids in many cases. Why is government for pro choice before birth yet protects the life after birth? If a women can make the right choices before birth why is government stepping in after and saying parents are lacking according to government?

This is pro choice allowing parents to be parents before and after birth.

Yet I hear no one saying anything about this either.

The womans right to choose huh?

What woman in her right mind would kill her own child? So what purpose does a pro choice serve?

Can you imagine since free medical care is given to single mothers and kids are having babies that the state pays for carrying a baby for 8 months then she decides the flake of a husband is not worth it and says 86 the kid.  That is pro choice.

Or  

Why do we put fathers and mothers in jail that are homeless and take their kids away from them saying they are unfit parents? It could be a month down the road and child services could look for them and take their child away. Yet those same parents could kill their unborn baby 8 months down the road and have no problem.

That is pro choice.


There is a fallacy that we are a free people, something the Constitution guarantees us, yet today as it stands we are far from free and we are far from the Constitution.

[Skinhead]

Just because you support choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion. I would be embarrassed to call myself either a D or an R nowadays, I'm more along the lines of a conservative Libertarian, but the Ds would definitely call me an R.
I am anti-abortion but pro choice. I personally do not believe in abortion, would not support abortions, would never want to see anyone in my family have an abortion. That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

I view pro-choice as, a woman finds out she is pregnant (no matter the circumstances on how she got that way), and decides she does not want the child.   I don't agree with her decision to abort, but that is her choice, and should be completed as early in the pregnancy as possible.  To wait 8.98 months and then decide to murder a viable human is wrong and something I could never support except in cases where there could be no other outcome than the death of the mother/child or both.  I would expect those instances to be VERY rare.

[98valk]

It seems like killing babies is almost exclusively a Liberal illness...Charles Darwin comes to mind.
And yes there are circumstances where termination of a pregnancy is unavoidable, like the mother's life is at risk. Other than that, this holocaust must be "Terminated".

34% of Republicans support “Choice”. This hardly makes it “exclusively a liberal illness”

Just because you support choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion. I would be embarrassed to call myself either a D or an R nowadays, I'm more along the lines of a conservative Libertarian, but the Ds would definitely call me an R.
I am anti-abortion but pro choice. I personally do not believe in abortion, would not support abortions, would never want to see anyone in my family have an abortion. That being said, and this being a free country, I have no problem with anothers right to choose, or to be pro abortion.
Not every pro-choicer is pro abortion.

so its ok for the woman to choose to murder her child while still inside of her, however, it's not ok if the child is outside of her?  is that what you are stating?