Just an observation of this great club......

[DirtyDan]

Really ???

Remember Jesus loves you I think your an a##&$&#

I recently converted

Giggle

Dan

[MP]

FWIW, I thought the thread was in poor taste.

I agree. There was nothing whatsoever redeeming in that thread, at least when I last read it.

The OP was a joke.  How many jokes have something redeeming in them?  It went south when Daddie-O jumped in name calling.

To go by that standard, there will be essentially NO jokes.

One could not mention, to name just a few:

Women, blonds, clergy, teachers, lawyers, doctors, men, kids, etc., etc., etc.

MP

[_Sheffjs_]

I have gone back through a lot of daddyO's recent posts which is kind of a unique tool that we have here on this board. I feel these conversations can take place, however if everyone could simply tone down their approach and reply on all sides.  I know I am one that reacts totally different depending on one's approach, not that I'm justified with a harsh return it's just my human nature. But I recognize that shortfall and try to change my reply no matter what the approach I don't always succeed in face to face conversation. On the board where it's text I think it's easier to type the response re-read it and then say I should tone it down then send it. DaddyO, do you think you can mello out your approach and reply and to the ones opposing his position, can you change our approach and reply?  If this was done it would  give the moderators a break.  

[Robert]

The joke did not call anyone names

The joke did not insult anyone actually

It was a dialogue between 2 people

Actually one man asked a question that offended another man.


It turned into name calling by DaddieO and another member using Jesus name in disgusting vengeful ways.

So DaddieO do you think your justified in name calling to get your point across when you find it unacceptable from the other side?

Why is the idea, "pass by the post" never done, maybe lack of self control?

Why do you proclaim tolerance but not show it to the majority of people on this board?

If you know your in the minority why not use education rather than insults to change things?

Actually if you compare the tactics of radical Muslims to insults there is a parallel

One is actual murder

The other is a murdering ones character

The Ten Commandments says you shall not murder that includes murder of ones reputation and character.

Both are done when lack of getting your own way sets in, and then desperation, then defaults to base personality in order to get what you personally want. Being ineffectual in changing things by a socially acceptable way. 
 
I think an apology is in order, not excuses.

Without acceptance of wrong there is no reason to change, not to mention the offensive nature of the your insults requires apology. Otherwise you again fall on others good nature of caring in allowing you this transgression.

[Dave Ritsema]

Willow,

Fully understanding you don't require a pep talk, I wish to thank you and the other moderators on this board whose efforts allow us to have this forum to participate in. As a former moderator of this board I know full well the time and efforts involved to keep the playground fights somewhat under control. There are many people here that appreciate your efforts and they far outweigh the ones that feel it is their right, rather than a privilege to be here.

As others have said, my recommendation to others that are offended with a particular poster is to simply hit the ignore button. If you continue to read the posts of someone that offends your particular set of morals aren't you actually bringing this angst upon yourself?

I found in interesting that in my time as a moderator, several of the "problem" people whom I had to speak to via PM's ended up becoming very good friends after we communicated on a personal level. I think the PM advice given previously in this thread may prove to be helpful for some.

There have been folks on here that have been banned, then came back only to be banned again.  Then came back under a different handle only to be banned yet again.  

Not even close to true, BF.

There have been people who claimed they were banned and then came back.  There have been people who left on their own (banned themselves?) and then came back.

Actually, now that I think about it there was one member who was actually banned and then tried to re-enter.  The ban was enforced as soon as we recognized him.  There was one who left in a huff and then reregistered.  He ultimately was actually banned when he began to threaten board members.

There have been members who are active now that have been discussed among the staff.  The practice of the staff has been to only execute a ban under unanimous agreement.  I think that's a good policy.

Once more let me emphasize that the thread originally the subject of this discussion was in violation of the Rules of the Road from the original post.

There are a fair amount of world religions and people groups that I am not particularly fond of or that I believe don't logically make sense.  Our rules prohibit my posting of jokes about those groups or ridiculing by means of pictures and cartoons.  I've learned to be okay with that.  Well, at least I've learned to live with that. 

 

[DirtyDan]

Disgusting and vengeful ???

No that's the patch on the front of my vest

Many have a laugh like the cop who read it wednesday

Its to illustrate points like this

Dan




Ps we might not be at war with a certain group but a certain group is at war with us.

But don't joke about them ?

What's next ?

Dan

[Willow]

The OP was a joke.  How many jokes have something redeeming in them?  ...
To go by that standard, there will be essentially NO jokes.

One could not mention, to name just a few:

Women, blonds, clergy, teachers, lawyers, doctors, men, kids, etc., etc., etc.

Melvin, I went back to reread the Rules of the Road.  You are correct.  Jokes singling out women (or men) are prohibited.  Some of the others would be marginal.  Lawyers and doctors are free game.

As to "It was a joke," I would refer anyone who believes in the Holy Word to review Proverbs 26:18-19.

...

Remember Jesus loves you I think your an a##&$&#

Dan, they are true but not related.  That Jesus loves you does not mean He's okay with your being an asshole.  In fact, when you give yourself over to Him that is one of the things that He'll be helping you to change.  I'm a bit of an asshole myself and we've been working on that for a long time.  Isn't it fortunate that I did not have to change my being an asshole before Jesus would love me?

(By the way, you missed a period.)

...

Willow shows wisdom in his post.  I obviously enjoy posting here, otherwise I wouldn't do it.  Religion and politics do not usually make for polite conversation.  ...  I get private messages from members thanking me for saying things that they felt should be said, but they had been discouraged from saying because of the sheer volume of hate and belittling that they receive from forum members when they do so.

...

...  Of course no one likes being called a bigot or a racist.  ...

In a country that was founded on the principles of freedom of speech and religious freedom, I find it ironic ...

D O, I appreciate the compliment although I don't have a need of it.  You may have missed a significant portion of the point.  It is really seldom acceptable or effective for one to to choose to be an asshole.  If we use the excuse that we were only responding in kind then what we have done is lowered ourselves to the very level of those that we were most offended by.

There are multiple problems at work.  Your choice of response type is one of them and you do very much demonstrate an unwillingness to contribute meaningfully to the community that is this bulletin board.  There are certainly those of the opposite political spectrum who are a big part of the problem but you don't make yourself part of the solution.  You only intensify the issue.  Your comment about receiving approving emails and private messages  very well demonstrates my point.

I don't mind being called a bigot and a racist.  I am a racist.  I consider it less than intelligent for one to acknowledge  the physical differences between races but then adamantly deny any deep differences.  I am primarily a German Choctaw mix.  It has become blatantly obvious to me that German-Indian individuals are by genetic makeup intellectually superior to other races, Caucasian, Negroid, and others.  The only race that seems to come close at all is the Jewish subset, but that one is highly effective by how much it has been watered down.

I have gone back through a lot of daddyO's recent posts ... DaddyO, do you think you can mello out your approach and reply and to the ones opposing his position, can you change our approach and reply?  If this was done it would  give the moderators a break.  

Daddy O is not interested in giving the moderators a break.  He doesn't like that the decision was made to not accept his suggestion that we disallow religious and political post.  As a result of his disapproval he has set out on a mission to demonstrate to the moderators how bad it can get.  He is intent on being the worst of the worst.  I do get it, but I find it childish at best.  Perhaps he really doesn't want to participate in this community but is convinced it could be a newer and better community if only the administrators would follow his own advice.

[MarkT]

D.O. is on my ignore list.  Those on the list, their posts are not displayed unless I click on them.  Sometimes I do.  But never respond - even to direct questions to me.  These rejects are on the list because they have shown me that a dialog with them will go south quickly and I have regretted getting baited into a pissing match with them. If I was king of this world, in the interest of harmony, those who have chosen to be pot-stirrers with virtually nothing good to add - for them, and after they have been warned, I would find software that would block any posts from their I.P.  They are then enforced pariahs, rejected from this community.  Daddy-O would be the first to go.

[Xtracho]

...
I get private messages from members thanking me for saying things that they felt should be said, but they had been discouraged from saying because of the sheer volume of hate and belittling that they receive from forum members when they do so.

So now you're a self-proclaimed hero?

Daddy O is not interested in giving the moderators a break.  He doesn't like that the decision was made to not accept his suggestion that we disallow religious and political post.  As a result of his disapproval he has set out on a mission to demonstrate to the moderators how bad it can get.  He is intent on being the worst of the worst.  I do get it, but I find it childish at best.  Perhaps he really doesn't want to participate in this community but is convinced it could be a newer and better community if only the administrators would follow his own advice.

Like me or not, that is your choice. But the quote above confirms my observation that you are indeed an astute individual.

[solo1]

I chose to ignore the posts by Daddio. (or whatever else he's called.)

He can pontificate as long as he's on this board . It is not important to me to read insignificant rants, taunts, and pufficating ( a word?) pronouncements of supposed superior intellectual ability.

In more common words, it's not worth my time AND very easy to s***can stuff on the VRCC.

[hubcapsc]

I chose to ignore the posts by Daddio. (or whatever else he's called.)

He can pontificate as long as he's on this board . It is not important to me to read insignificant rants, taunts, and pufficating ( a word?) pronouncements of supposed superior intellectual ability.

In more common words, it's not worth my time AND very easy to s***can stuff on the VRCC.

 

[Daddie O]

"D O, I appreciate the compliment although I don't have a need of it.  You may have missed a significant portion of the point.  It is really seldom acceptable or effective for one to to choose to be an asshole.  If we use the excuse that we were only responding in kind then what we have done is lowered ourselves to the very level of those that we were most offended by.

There are multiple problems at work.  Your choice of response type is one of them and you do very much demonstrate an unwillingness to contribute meaningfully to the community that is this bulletin board.  There are certainly those of the opposite political spectrum who are a big part of the problem but you don't make yourself part of the solution.  You only intensify the issue.  Your comment about receiving approving emails and private messages  very well demonstrates my point.

I don't mind being called a bigot and a racist.  I am a racist.  I consider it less than intelligent for one to acknowledge  the physical differences between races but then adamantly deny any deep differences.  I am primarily a German Choctaw mix.  It has become blatantly obvious to me that German-Indian individuals are by genetic makeup intellectually superior to other races, Caucasian, Negroid, and others.  The only race that seems to come close at all is the Jewish subset, but that one is highly effective by how much it has been watered down."

I have a few issues with this response.  I have not missed any point of your post.  On the VRCC it is quite acceptable to choose to be an asshole.  That choice occurs on nearly every thread, including your post on this very thread.  You boasting that you are a racist, and you feel that you are genetically superior to other races is one example.  The fact that I am intellectually superior to you is not because I am Jewish, because I have met dumb Jews as well.  You should know genetically there is no such thing as race.  This is a scientifically proven fact.

I have gone back through a lot of daddyO's recent posts ... DaddyO, do you think you can mello out your approach and reply and to the ones opposing his position, can you change our approach and reply?  If this was done it would  give the moderators a break.  

I certainly could, but for a ceasefire to be effective both sides need to stop firing, and that is an impossibility with this group.  Just look at the well regarded moderator that politely proclaims himself a racist, and goes on to describe which "races" are superior.  Some may not find that inflammatory, but I and any other well educated person would as well.

[/quote]Daddy O is not interested in giving the moderators a break.  He doesn't like that the decision was made to not accept his suggestion that we disallow religious and political post.  As a result of his disapproval he has set out on a mission to demonstrate to the moderators how bad it can get.  He is intent on being the worst of the worst.  I do get it, but I find it childish at best.  Perhaps he really doesn't want to participate in this community but is convinced it could be a newer and better community if only the administrators would follow his own advice.
[/quote]

I do believe that this community would be better if my advice were followed, but I am not on a mission to demonstrate how bad it can get.  I truly wish that Willow and other members of this forum were not racist.  I know that my postings, no matter how well reasoned and soft spoken, or knee jerk and incendiary, will not suddenly convince bigots to change their ways.  I do feel that if I read a racist "joke", or a post denigrating some "subset", and I keep quiet, then I am complicit in the insult.

You think I am intent on being the "worst of the worst", but that title is held by you Willow.  A self-proclaimed racist, in a position of "power" (at least on an online forum), that acts high and mighty, chastising others for engaging in the very same behavior that you do.  Name calling, race bashing, and making posts that in no way contribute meaningfully (at least in a positive way) to the community.

[Oss]

ROTFLMAO

A person of American Indian heritage can with no doubt claim to be superior

Think about it

When the first of your ancestors arrived in what is now the USA(unless you are native american too) there was no daylight savings time, no rap music, you could live anywhere with no taxes, buffalo roamed, there was no smallpox yet, there was no black plague, there was no beheading (scalping in war but not beheading according to my research anyway) women did the work and men did the hunting,
and you could have as many wives and horses as you could handle.
(apologies to my friends of Cherokee heritage who are superior riders and mechanics than me living in Virginia and elsewhere)

We screwed it up big time didnt we?

Some say the native americans include some of the lost 10 tribes of Israel, dont know about that

may be that is the watering down he mentioned

[Daddie O]

Think about this for a moment.  I call racist people racist.  Willow and a few others actually don't mind being called a racist, because they have accepted that the label is true in regards to them.  The other racists on this board get offended at being called racist, because they have not accepted that the label is true in regards to them.  So they go on to call me an @sshole, moron, f@ggot, idiot, ignoramus, and on and on and on.  In their minds, being called a racist is an intolerable transgression, but calling me names is perfectly fine.  I'm the "worst of the worst", vile, toxic, and full of hatred, yet you are saints dedicated to the community.  It is laughable.

I'm not out to get threads shut down or deleted.  This is how it goes down:  A poster makes a racist, hate filled post, sometimes thinly disguised as a joke.  Others laugh and pat the OP on the back, applauding his racist views.  I come along, and point out that hey, being a racist isn't actually funny.  Others vehemently attack me, until some more level headed people come along and complain.  As Willow mentioned, the reason the thread gets shut down is not because of my response (even though it is often incendiary), but because the original post violated the rules of the forum.  It is the complaints of others that bring the violation to the attention of moderators.  True, if I had not posted a response, it is possible that the reprehensible original posting and following thread would be allowed to continue as a racist echo chamber filled with the guffaws of bigots.

[solo1]

FLUSH!  Such a nice sound, some 121 (more or less) words down the john.

Enuff of my time   I'm outta here.

[Valkorado]

Whoa, Nellie.  Wow.


We are truly blessed to have such a superior intellect gracing this board.  A man of such flawless moral stature, who never harbors a negative thought or casts a stone.  This innocent, misunderstood and obviously highly educated man should be applauded for opening our collective eyes a and changing the very fiber of our beings.  

DaddieO is the epitome of love and compassion.  

He it's truly a hero on his own mind.  Sheesh.

[Patrick]

Some have tried to have intelligent civil conversations with a certain few here only to have them turn statements around and take stabs as soon as they could. Must just be their nature. After-all this is America and they are still entitled to their opinions, such as they are.

[Daddie O]

Whoa, Nellie.  Wow.


We are truly blessed to have such a superior intellect gracing this board.  A man of such flawless moral stature, who never harbors a negative thought or casts a stone.  This innocent, misunderstood and obviously highly educated man should be applauded for opening our collective eyes a and changing the very fiber of our beings.  

DaddieO is the essence of love and compassion. 

He it's truly a hero on his own mind.  Sheesh.

Hyperbole much?   

[Rams]

Melvin, I went back to reread the Rules of the Road.  You are correct.  Jokes singling out women (or men) are prohibited.  Some of the others would be marginal.  Lawyers and doctors are free game.

Carl,
Having read your posts on this topic, it appears I owe you a personal apology.   

This was from the Humming Bird thread.    It was not intended to be demeaning in the slightest way but, could be interpreted as such.

Maybe some of you fellas would know. I saw a small/medium sized bird the other day that had a green breast with yellow head. Have no idea what it is.

Sorry, I don't have a clue but, are you sure it was a bird, kind of sounds like Carl?   

My sincerest apology.    It was not my intent to demean either you or the unidentified bird.   It was a feeble attempt at being cute.    I will attempt to refrain from such things in the future.   

I hope you took it as intended but, to make up for it, at our next meeting, I'll be happy to buy the first round of iced tea.   

[Skinhead]

For someone as smart as DO claims to be, you'd think he'd figure out how to use the quote feature so that his responses aren't mixed in with the comments of the person he's quoting.

Also if it has been proven that there is no such thing as race, as he claims, how can there be racists?  I guess I am, like Willow, a racist (even they they don't exist).  I don't consider myself a racist though, as I hate everyone equally, until they prove they have some redeeming value.

I don't support his removal, I'll read his comments or not. depending on my mood.  If I ever had the anticipated displeasure of meeting him, I doubt we'd be buds, but you never know, I have a lot of friends i don't see eye to eye with.

I miss reading the comments of several members who no longer frequent the board, Advil and Big Al are two of those.  While I usually disagree with Advil, his responses were usually well written even if they were wrong.

[dreamaker]

Well!! Just got of the bicycle from a 21 mile ride something was dragging it turn out to be my A$$ that was dragging, got home busted out the Nutri Bullet Rx and made a killer Veggie/ Fruit Smoothie.  Man, was that good, got my energy back and walking straight again. It seems a lot of this discussion is how one wants to interpret what has been written. I certainly have to tip my hat to Daddy O for standing his ground. Now who is right, I guess it depends on who side your on.  Things aren't always what they appear to be. Good to get it out of your system!!

[Valkorado]

Whoa, Nellie.  Wow.


We are truly blessed to have such a superior intellect gracing this board.  A man of such flawless moral stature, who never harbors a negative thought or casts a stone.  This innocent, misunderstood and obviously highly educated man should be applauded for opening our collective eyes a and changing the very fiber of our beings.  

DaddieO is the essence of love and compassion. 

He it's truly a hero on his own mind.  Sheesh.

Hyperbole much?   

I'm surprised you recognized it as such.   

[_Sheffjs_]

Quote from: Sheffjs on Today at 04:45:04 AM
I have gone back through a lot of daddyO's recent posts ... DaddieO, do you think you can mello out your approach and reply and to the ones opposing his position, can you change our approach and reply?  If this was done it would  give the moderators a break.  

from D O
I certainly could, but for a ceasefire to be effective both sides need to stop firing, and that is an impossibility with this group.  Just look at the well regarded moderator that politely proclaims himself a racist, and goes on to describe which "races" are superior.  Some may not find that inflammatory, but I and any other well educated person would as well.    

I think there is a game changer here DaddieO and an opportunity from it. You have center stage  obviously, say what you want to say but say it in a correct and acceptable manner, be the first cease-fire here, then see if the others follow suit.  If they don't you can point it out.  Everyone is watching now.

If not no matter what side, then maybe the answer is to create a new category and call it cesspool, just kidding maybe call it heated debates.  So if a thread is becoming unruly the moderators can toss it in the cesspool, oh I did it again, and keep it out of the General board.  And if you go to the cesspool then there should be no reason to bother the moderator, right?  

[Rams]

Quote from: Sheffjs on Today at 04:45:04 AM
I have gone back through a lot of daddyO's recent posts ... DaddyO, do you think you can mello out your approach and reply and to the ones opposing his position, can you change our approach and reply?  If this was done it would  give the moderators a break. 

I certainly could, but for a ceasefire to be effective both sides need to stop firing, and that is an impossibility with this group.  Just look at the well regarded moderator that politely proclaims himself a racist, and goes on to describe which "races" are superior.  Some may not find that inflammatory, but I and any other well educated person would as well.     

I think there is a game changer here DaddyO and an opportunity from it. You have center stage  obviously, say what you want to say but say it in a correct and acceptable manner, be the first cease-fire here, then see if the others follow suit.  If they don't you can point it out.  Everyone is watching now.

If not no matter what side, then maybe the answer is to create a new category and call it cesspool, just kidding maybe call it heated debates.  So if a thread is becoming unruly the moderators can toss it in the cesspool, oh I did it again, and keep it out of the General board. 

Another forum I frequent has a category called the trash can.   Moderators will toss threads into it that become "trashy".    While they can be entertaining, they always end up in name calling and abusive.    I don't see a cess pool category as being very helpful but, you do bring up some good points.    Never seen any socially redeeming value come out of that trashcan but, that's just my opinion. 

I've already apologized to Carl for my insensitive attempt at humor, it would seem I'm not too politically correct but then again, I can also laugh at myself.   

[RainMaker]

As has been pointed out to me many times, this is a general board.  That means any subject is open. Some may be more politically correct than others, but the opinions stated are the property of the poster, no one else.  

The joke that started this was at the expense of Muslims.  Easy targets these days.  Listening to the news, we would think that all Muslims are like ISIS, but that isn't any more true than saying all Southerners are like Dylann Roof.  Just last night, I was having a conversation with my friend Amjad about Jesus and his importance in the Muslim faith.  No nicer guy around and my friend for over 40 years, I am not too worried about him beheading me even though I am an infidel.  

I originally did not like Anvil's posts but began to read what he was saying instead of how he said it.  And then we ran him off.  I would hate to see that happen with Daddie-O.  I may not agree with him on many (or any) things, but part of believing in American ideals is the fact that he has the right to state his opinion, just as all have the right to disagree with that opinion.

I do not envy the job of the moderators at all.

RainMaker

[Patrick]

No such thing as race ? Really ? Thats a wonderment. There is only 2% difference in the DNA between a Chimp and a human. I'd like to see just how much difference there is between 'races', if any. Maybe this DNA thing is all bunk.

[Willow]

Carl,
Having read your posts on this topic, it appears I owe you a personal apology.   

This was from the Humming Bird thread.    It was not intended to be demeaning in the slightest way but, could be interpreted as such.

Maybe some of you fellas would know. I saw a small/medium sized bird the other day that had a green breast with yellow head. Have no idea what it is.

Sorry, I don't have a clue but, are you sure it was a bird, kind of sounds like Carl?    

My sincerest apology.    It was not my intent to demean either you or the unidentified bird.   It was a feeble attempt at being cute.    I will attempt to refrain from such things in the future.   

I hope you took it as intended but, to make up for it, at our next meeting, I'll be happy to buy the first round of iced tea.   

Wow!  I hadn't even read it yet.  Now I am pissed like a two liter bottle of warm soda.  I will try to conceal mire ire long enough though to enjoy that iced tea with you.

Okay, so apparently D.O. doesn't understand my sense of humor.  He's actually in pretty good company.  It's a very small subset of the population, mostly German-Choctaws, who are able to grasp it.

  Name calling, race bashing, and making posts that in no way contribute meaningfully (at least in a positive way) to the community.

The above sentence fragment, I believe given the context, was intended to be descriptive of my own behavior.  I do try hard not to participate in those activities and there is a very large subsection of the VRCC community who will have no complete idea of how much I have positively contribute to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.  If any of you see an instance where I have stepped over the line please don't hesitate to let me know, but do be specific.  Those categories don't just automatically apply to anyone with whom you disagree.  Name calling to me would be such things as referring to Republicans as rethuglicans, referring to Hillary Clinton as the Hildabeast, calling the current President Obuminator, or calling the past president as the Little Bush.  Calling a black man a black man, a tall woman a tall woman, or a cross eyed man a cross eyed man does not qualify.

I do know what a racist is but I also recognize that there is a certain portion of the American population that uses the term to label anyone who disagrees with their own perspective of how a racial group, an ethnic group, or actually any group of people should be treated.  If you take the time to have a serious conversation with me you'll find that my perspective is significantly out of line with a large portion of the American populace.  I'm good with that.

So here's where we arrive.  D.O. has publicly stated that he is sure he's intellectually superior to me and he's not even Jewish.  It's possible.  He may be in the top two percent of the population.  He's described himself as being highly educated.  I'm not.  I actually dropped out after my junior year in high school.  I throw that around a lot and I probably shouldn't.  I have had some post high school classes and I did teach for a few years at the college level.  So if we each think the other is intellectually inferior it leaves us that at least one of us, and maybe both, is delusional and likely as dumb as a box of rocks.  I'm not going to say which one because that might be interpreted by some as name calling.    

I do have to confess I'm a little out of touch with the science that has proven there is no such thing as race.  I'll have to get caught up.  Maybe I will if I work up the interest.

So what then is a racist?  Now I'm really confused.       

[Steve K (IA)]

It was only a joke!

It was.

It was only a joke. 

Wasn't it?

It's always a joke isn't it.  (We know it isn't) But the jokes are always aimed at someone who doesn't look like you (color), vote like you or pray like you. 

It's just a way for the ignorant among us to spew their hatred for / towards a group of people they don't like.  But once posted, the damage has been done. And that is always the intention from the start.  The poster has only one thing on his mind.  Trying to call out / get a reaction from someone who doesn't share the same twisted thoughts.   

It's like sending up the Bat Signal.  But on the Valkyrie site (now it's motorcycle related) another common disclaimer like “it's just a joke”.  The signal is “y'all come join in on the fun, we're pickin' on the moooslums today”.

Okay, so now every bigot who see's the post has to climb on the bandwagon to join in the twisted fellowship & back slapping.  And when it has gotten totally out of control, someone points out the inappropriateness of said joke and all the bigots step back and cry "it's only a joke".  And that's supposed to make it OK?!

Now the attack on the spoiler begins.

So now it's the fault of DaddieO who called out the haters and bigots that start the pot stirring and spew the vile, hate filled toxic and caustic language.  Not the fault of the bigot who started the whole mess.   Not the fault of those who contributed to the ongoing hate towards the subject of the day...Muslims.

So now the babies start crying..........

BAN DaddieO because he called us out and hurt our feelings!

BAN DaddieO because we don't want him raining on our parade.  We just want to be left alone to wallow in our hate and make fun of those we don't like!  And sit back giggling and drinking our Koolaid and seeing the reaction it caused and thinking how funny we are.

So DaddieO is a toxic individual?  Really?  Now that's a JOKE!  There are a lot of toxic members here that should have been banned a long time ago but haven't.  Some of them posted in the Muslim Joke thread and some to this new thread.  They get away with it daily.  Their posts or threads they start  almost never get deleted. 

DaddieO called out the bigots and haters in plain language so all could understand.  Instead of owning up and apologizing, you declare war on the messenger and want him shot. 

Because,

It was Just a joke...............

[Daddie O]

Biologically speaking, there is no such thing as race.  Race is a social construct.  A racist is a person using social construct to deem a population (usually ethnic group) as morally, intellectually, or physically inferior to another, and to treat said population differently (discriminate) based on the idea that everyone in that ethnic group is the same.

[baldo]

It was only a joke!

It was.

It was only a joke. 

Wasn't it?

It's always a joke isn't it.  (We know it isn't) But the jokes are always aimed at someone who doesn't look like you (color), vote like you or pray like you. 

It's just a way for the ignorant among us to spew their hatred for / towards a group of people they don't like.  But once posted, the damage has been done. And that is always the intention from the start.  The poster has only one thing on his mind.  Trying to call out / get a reaction from someone who doesn't share the same twisted thoughts.   

It's like sending up the Bat Signal.  But on the Valkyrie site (now it's motorcycle related) another common disclaimer like “it's just a joke”.  The signal is “y'all come join in on the fun, we're pickin' on the moooslums today”.

Okay, so now every bigot who see's the post has to climb on the bandwagon to join in the twisted fellowship & back slapping.  And when it has gotten totally out of control, someone points out the inappropriateness of said joke and all the bigots step back and cry "it's only a joke".  And that's supposed to make it OK?!

Now the attack on the spoiler begins.

So now it's the fault of DaddieO who called out the haters and bigots that start the pot stirring and spew the vile, hate filled toxic and caustic language.  Not the fault of the bigot who started the whole mess.   Not the fault of those who contributed to the ongoing hate towards the subject of the day...Muslims.

So now the babies start crying..........

BAN DaddieO because he called us out and hurt our feelings!

BAN DaddieO because we don't want him raining on our parade.  We just want to be left alone to wallow in our hate and make fun of those we don't like!  And sit back giggling and drinking our Koolaid and seeing the reaction it caused and thinking how funny we are.

So DaddieO is a toxic individual?  Really?  Now that's a JOKE!  There are a lot of toxic members here that should have been banned a long time ago but haven't.  Some of them posted in the Muslim Joke thread and some to this new thread.  They get away with it daily.  Their posts or threads they start  almost never get deleted. 

DaddieO called out the bigots and haters in plain language so all could understand.  Instead of owning up and apologizing, you declare war on the messenger and want him shot. 

Because,

It was Just a joke...............

Well said, Steve.....and the ongoing references to "I don't know, does this make me a racist, bigot, etc" comments being made on this and other threads today are nothing short of childish behavior.

[Daddie O]

Steve and Baldo, I appreciate your posts. 

[MP]

No more joke telling the the US. Essentially EVERY joke has someone as its object.  The Progressives amongst us have declared that any joke shows the tellers hatred toward that group, so we cannot tell it.

I now fully understand how much I HATE the Irish.  I have been telling Irish jokes all my life, there for I must really hate the Irish.

And, according to the attack on Willow, being proud of ones nationality makes you a racist.

There for, I am am racist, because I am proud of my nationality, IRISH!

Scheesh. NO matter what I say or do, I displease the Libs amongst us.

Oh well.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!

Did you hear about the drunken Irishman who.....................!    LOL  

MP

[MP]

Steve and Baldo, I appreciate your posts. 

Sure you would.  Anyone who thinks like you, you appreciate.  The rest of us, are hated, bigots, racist cavemen.  Really, normal Progressive think.

At least you all are consistent.   

MP

[MP]

Carl,
Having read your posts on this topic, it appears I owe you a personal apology.   

This was from the Humming Bird thread.    It was not intended to be demeaning in the slightest way but, could be interpreted as such.

Maybe some of you fellas would know. I saw a small/medium sized bird the other day that had a green breast with yellow head. Have no idea what it is.

Sorry, I don't have a clue but, are you sure it was a bird, kind of sounds like Carl?    

My sincerest apology.    It was not my intent to demean either you or the unidentified bird.   It was a feeble attempt at being cute.    I will attempt to refrain from such things in the future.   

I hope you took it as intended but, to make up for it, at our next meeting, I'll be happy to buy the first round of iced tea.   

Wow!  I hadn't even read it yet.  Now I am pissed like a two liter bottle of warm soda.  I will try to conceal mire ire long enough though to enjoy that iced tea with you.

Okay, so apparently D.O. doesn't understand my sense of humor.  He's actually in pretty good company.  It's a very small subset of the population, mostly German-Choctaws, who are able to grasp it.

  Name calling, race bashing, and making posts that in no way contribute meaningfully (at least in a positive way) to the community.

The above sentence fragment, I believe given the context, was intended to be descriptive of my own behavior.  I do try hard not to participate in those activities and there is a very large subsection of the VRCC community who will have no complete idea of how much I have positively contribute to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.  If any of you see an instance where I have stepped over the line please don't hesitate to let me know, but do be specific.  Those categories don't just automatically apply to anyone with whom you disagree.  Name calling to me would be such things as referring to Republicans as rethuglicans, referring to Hillary Clinton as the Hildabeast, calling the current President Obuminator, or calling the past president as the Little Bush.  Calling a black man a black man, a tall woman a tall woman, or a cross eyed man a cross eyed man does not qualify.

I do know what a racist is but I also recognize that there is a certain portion of the American population that uses the term to label anyone who disagrees with their own perspective of how a racial group, an ethnic group, or actually any group of people should be treated.  If you take the time to have a serious conversation with me you'll find that my perspective is significantly out of line with a large portion of the American populace.  I'm good with that.

So here's where we arrive.  D.O. has publicly stated that he is sure he's intellectually superior to me and he's not even Jewish.  It's possible.  He may be in the top two percent of the population.  He's described himself as being highly educated.  I'm not.  I actually dropped out after my junior year in high school.  I throw that around a lot and I probably shouldn't.  I have had some post high school classes and I did teach for a few years at the college level.  So if we each think the other is intellectually inferior it leaves us that at least one of us, and maybe both, is delusional and likely as dumb as a box of rocks.  I'm not going to say which one because that might be interpreted by some as name calling.    

I do have to confess I'm a little out of touch with the science that has proven there is no such thing as race.  I'll have to get caught up.  Maybe I will if I work up the interest.

So what then is a racist?  Now I'm really confused.       

I do understand your humor, Willow!  Got it right away.  Now, THAT worries me! 

MP

[baldo]

Steve and Baldo, I appreciate your posts. 

Sure you would.  Anyone who thinks like you, you appreciate.  The rest of us, are hated, bigots, racist cavemen.  Really, normal Progressive think.

At least you all are consistent.   

MP

MP, if you can't see the difference, I just don't know what to say. This whole thing has taken off on a bit of a tangent. It started with a stupid joke about Muslims. Everyone not living in a cave knows that the mention of the word is going to start a fight, one way or the other. The way I see it, in my humble opinion, is that 'jokes' that bring politics, religion and race into them are just looking for trouble. I don't see harmless, gently prodding ethnic jokes ( Irish, Polish, Frenchman, etc ) in the same light. After all, who really hates the French? And let's not forget 'your Mama' jokes. Those are good just about anytime.

There will always be someone that will take offense to a joke sooner or later. It's when the subject is a known 'hot button' topic that things get heated. And that's the intention.

[Xtracho]

It was only a joke!

It was.

It was only a joke.  

Wasn't it?

It's always a joke isn't it.  (We know it isn't) But the jokes are always aimed at someone who doesn't look like you (color), vote like you or pray like you.  

It's just a way for the ignorant among us to spew their hatred for / towards a group of people they don't like.  But once posted, the damage has been done. And that is always the intention from the start.  The poster has only one thing on his mind.  Trying to call out / get a reaction from someone who doesn't share the same twisted thoughts.  

It's like sending up the Bat Signal.  But on the Valkyrie site (now it's motorcycle related) another common disclaimer like “it's just a joke”.  The signal is “y'all come join in on the fun, we're pickin' on the moooslums today”.

Okay, so now every bigot who see's the post has to climb on the bandwagon to join in the twisted fellowship & back slapping.  And when it has gotten totally out of control, someone points out the inappropriateness of said joke and all the bigots step back and cry "it's only a joke".  And that's supposed to make it OK?!

Now the attack on the spoiler begins.

So now it's the fault of DaddieO who called out the haters and bigots that start the pot stirring and spew the vile, hate filled toxic and caustic language.  Not the fault of the bigot who started the whole mess.   Not the fault of those who contributed to the ongoing hate towards the subject of the day...Muslims.

So now the babies start crying..........

BAN DaddieO because he called us out and hurt our feelings!

BAN DaddieO because we don't want him raining on our parade.  We just want to be left alone to wallow in our hate and make fun of those we don't like!  And sit back giggling and drinking our Koolaid and seeing the reaction it caused and thinking how funny we are.

So DaddieO is a toxic individual?  Really?  Now that's a JOKE!  There are a lot of toxic members here that should have been banned a long time ago but haven't.  Some of them posted in the Muslim Joke thread and some to this new thread.  They get away with it daily.  Their posts or threads they start  almost never get deleted.  

DaddieO called out the bigots and haters in plain language so all could understand.  Instead of owning up and apologizing, you declare war on the messenger and want him shot.  

Because,

It was Just a joke...............

And your intent with this drivel is nothing more than a feeble attempt to set yourself up on the moral high ground. That, to me, is as despicable and contemptible as the members you excoriated in your tirade. Pat your compatriots on the back, guffaw, and say "look at those bigots....idiots & babies all of them."

Well, let me tell you this. I live and thrive in a multi-ethnic household and have done so for over 22 years. I adopted a daughter outside my ethnicity and raised her. My grand daughter is multi-ethnic & the light of my life. And my grandson, soon to be a year old, is multi-ethnic as well. I ordered and wear the Confederate States Valkyrie Tee-Shirts and live in the South. Certainly an image you hate as well as the region. My bona fides and the happiness of my home and life trump your small minded judgment of me...and I suspect many others on the board as well.

You can laud the virtues of that guy all you want. You can pat each other on the back from your virtual stand point and feel good about yourselves. I actually don't give a damn what you do. You're sad, small, easily offended little people.

I'm sick of your politically correct whining. And yeah....I laughed at the joke and went on about the business of living my life. Just as I would chuckle at a redneck joke as well. You and your virtual hero, on the other hand, are sitting there wringing your hands, searching for the next phrase or utterance that you can scream offense to & label those that find humor in it as bigots.

And for the record, I was not and am not in favor of banning anyone from the board. Period.

[baldo]

It was only a joke!

It was.

It was only a joke.  

Wasn't it?

It's always a joke isn't it.  (We know it isn't) But the jokes are always aimed at someone who doesn't look like you (color), vote like you or pray like you.  

It's just a way for the ignorant among us to spew their hatred for / towards a group of people they don't like.  But once posted, the damage has been done. And that is always the intention from the start.  The poster has only one thing on his mind.  Trying to call out / get a reaction from someone who doesn't share the same twisted thoughts.  

It's like sending up the Bat Signal.  But on the Valkyrie site (now it's motorcycle related) another common disclaimer like “it's just a joke”.  The signal is “y'all come join in on the fun, we're pickin' on the moooslums today”.

Okay, so now every bigot who see's the post has to climb on the bandwagon to join in the twisted fellowship & back slapping.  And when it has gotten totally out of control, someone points out the inappropriateness of said joke and all the bigots step back and cry "it's only a joke".  And that's supposed to make it OK?!

Now the attack on the spoiler begins.

So now it's the fault of DaddieO who called out the haters and bigots that start the pot stirring and spew the vile, hate filled toxic and caustic language.  Not the fault of the bigot who started the whole mess.   Not the fault of those who contributed to the ongoing hate towards the subject of the day...Muslims.

So now the babies start crying..........

BAN DaddieO because he called us out and hurt our feelings!

BAN DaddieO because we don't want him raining on our parade.  We just want to be left alone to wallow in our hate and make fun of those we don't like!  And sit back giggling and drinking our Koolaid and seeing the reaction it caused and thinking how funny we are.

So DaddieO is a toxic individual?  Really?  Now that's a JOKE!  There are a lot of toxic members here that should have been banned a long time ago but haven't.  Some of them posted in the Muslim Joke thread and some to this new thread.  They get away with it daily.  Their posts or threads they start  almost never get deleted.  

DaddieO called out the bigots and haters in plain language so all could understand.  Instead of owning up and apologizing, you declare war on the messenger and want him shot.  

Because,

It was Just a joke...............

And your intent with this drivel is nothing more than a feeble attempt to set yourself up on the moral high ground. That, to me, is as despicable and contemptible as the members you excoriated in your tirade. Pat your compatriots on the back, guffaw, and say "look at those bigots....idiots & babies all of them."

Well, let me tell you this. I live and thrive in a multi-ethnic household and have done so for over 22 years. I adopted a daughter outside my ethnicity and raised her. And my grandson, soon to be a year old, is multi-ethnic as well. I ordered and wear the Confederate States Valkyrie Tee-Shirts and live in the South. Certainly an image you hate as well as the region. My bona fides and the happiness of my home and life trump your small minded judgment of me...and I suspect many others on the board as well.

You can laud the virtues of that guy all you want. You can pat each other on the back from your virtual stand point and feel good about yourselves. I actually don't give a damn what you do. You're sad, small, easily offended little people without a spine....or a sense of humor for that matter.

I'm sick of your politically correct whining. And yeah....I laughed at the joke and went on about the business of living my life. Just as I would chuckle at a redneck joke as well. You and your virtual hero, on the other hand, are sitting there wringing your hands, searching for the next phrase or utterance that you can scream offense to.

And for the record, I was not and am not in favor of banning anyone from the board. Period.

Ouch, now THAT was harsh.

[Xtracho]

Nope it wasn't. You've never read or heard me when I really want to be harsh. 

[Daddie O]

Ah, back to your I'm so proud to be a bigot I bought the t-shirt garbage.  We don't have to attempt to be on moral high ground, we are already there.  Here is a little tidbit for your education about the confederacy you are so proud of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4

Now tell me more about the bastion of liberal nonsense known as West Point has it all wrong 

[Oss]

SLavery ( which by the way was supplied by Moslem and African groups)
was guaranteed to the southern states in the Constitution   Its true and it is not a southern shame it is a reality accepted in order to not lose all when the 1st continental congress went belly up

We almost were NOTHING !!! It was that close !!  All sides in this country accepted it as we accepted the genocide of the native american population in the name of greed and free land.

That FACT is why there were battles over each new state   Look up the Kansas wars for instance
and the Missouri Compromise  

Now you who are so quick to judge and declare bigotry know this, you will find not one southerner today on this board who will say they are for slavery  I will guarantee that is so. nor anyone who thinks women should not be able to vote

But that doesnt mean that any southerner and I am from NY by the way, should not be proud of their forefathers for fighting for their country and state as they were at the time.  And some of us have relatives from both sides as well !

Just as a baby picture or picture of a child is a moment in time to be remembered, so are the MANY flags of the Confederacy, and of the USA including the battle flag we know as the x flag which is the subject of much politically correct drivel and the dont tread on me flags

Lets call it what it is,  bullshit

I walk down the street in the Bronx and hear man after women after child of BLACK heritage calling themselves the N ##$#er   words and they laugh at themselves. I dont use the word myself.
I guess all of them are stupid bigots and not just idiot losers afraid to use white person's language in that case?

How holier than thou to preach hate and liberal politically correct bull and ignore the problems that matter

People who have given up on finding work, the fact that we are at war (We are the Big Satan or have not you heard?) which was declared against us years ago

Again  if you are sincere in your thoughts, come to a ride event next year and meet in person those
who you are so quick to judge in cyberspace.  You will get an education and will be able
to help a worthy charity at the same time