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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2015, 10:27:23 AM » |
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We can, but I'd bet the farm that our President can't -- at least not with the word Islamic before it.
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Seems all pretty stupid to me, to put so much energy in it about a label, like said, people are dead. Every morning I watch TV News, and here in the Detroit and area, some one is hit and run or just shot down, like its is a daily thing. I wonder if we were to take a count for 30 days, on how many people have been killed or injured by some criminal. What it would add up to? I am sure that other cities across the US would have similar results in their totals. My point is, the most common denominator here is people are dead, period! No label will bring them back! Sadly, I have no solution to the problem, I just know at this time it exists.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 11:53:56 AM » |
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This is just another excuse to vilify Obama. If he says the sky is blue, the right will scream that it's anything else other than blue. Now maybe if he came out in favor of oxygen, ........hmmmmmm.
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No one needs to vilify obama, he does well at it all on his own. The problem is that he is protected, no one is willing to hold him accountable
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No one needs to vilify obama, he does well at it all on his own. The problem is that he is protected, no one is willing to hold him accountable
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No one needs to vilify obama, he does well at it all on his own. The problem is that he is protected, no one is willing to hold him accountable
LOLOL...what do you think the last 7 years of pathetic attempts by the right has been? A whole lot of effort with absolutely nothing to show for it. If it wasn't so depressingly sad, it might be kind of funny. But not in a laughing with you kind of way.... |
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2015, 12:57:09 PM » |
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No one needs to vilify obama, he does well at it all on his own. The problem is that he is protected, no one is willing to hold him accountable
LOLOL...what do you think the last 7 years of pathetic attempts by the right has been? A whole lot of effort with absolutely nothing to show for it. If it wasn't so depressingly sad, it might be kind of funny. But not in a laughing with you kind of way.... I don't think the right has to prove anything. This POTUS's record will speak for itself. Just let him dig his hole. Sad part is we are all worse off for it. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2015, 01:12:29 PM » |
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This POTUS's ability to do further domestic damage has been somewhat limited thanks to the last election. But, he can still do a significant amount of damage to our military, our economy and our allies.
But to even suggest that the events in CA were not terrorism is pure bullshit, we all know it. The White House Spin Staff is working overtime trying wipe all the egg off of his face. Make stupid statements, don't expect to not get called on it. No Credible Threat, yeah right.
And he and most of the other Dems want to take away my ability to defend my family. Guess who will be a criminal once they ban guns.
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3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001
3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.
1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2015, 01:47:17 PM » |
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3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001
3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.
1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968
400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.
400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001
My Goodness, you left out all those killed in automobiles. Include them and we'll have to ban all autos. Please don't post motorcycle deaths, someone might want to ban them also.  |
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2015, 01:49:02 PM » |
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3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001
3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.
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400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001
My Goodness, you left out all those killed in automobile. Include them and we'll have to ban all autos. Please don't post motorcycle deaths, someone might want to ban them also. I don't see the connection. What do cars or motorcycles have to do with guns? Unless you're talking about SOA, of course.... |
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2015, 01:51:02 PM » |
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Seriously? Both are tools that can be used to kill Americans. Damn, I forgot all about pressure cookers, screw drivers and alcohol!!!!! Oh yeah forgot we tried to ban alcohol and dope, that didn't and hasn't worked out well. |
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Seriously? Both are tools that can be used to kill Americans. Damn, I forgot all about pressure cookers, screw drivers and alcohol!!!!! Oh yeah forgot we tried to ban alcohol and dope, that didn't and hasn't worked out well. Ummm..ok. Unless you understand that cars are built with a specific purpose, transportation. Guns, not so much. You do see the difference, don't you? |
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2015, 02:05:08 PM » |
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It's important to call it terrorism, so no one gets away with shifting blame away from radical islam, and all the threats that have and will come from radical islam... to like workplace violence.
But I am grown tired of the Terrorism handle. The word terrorism has been somewhat co-opted to mean freedom fighter and other vague notions of nobleness or class struggle or heroic endeavors by the downtrodden. And no ennoblement of mass murder of innocents, rape, child molestation, perversion, beheading, burning alive, throwing off buildings, stoning to death, yada should be allowed or tolerated in the written word, by the press or anyone else. (free speech is not the issue; accuracy and truth is the issue)
Islamic terrorists should henceforth be referred to as ISLAMIC MURDERERS. Perfectly true, perfectly accurate.
I feel the same way with calling lone/solo operators lone wolves. The wolf is a noble wild creature. Henceforth, lone wolf islamic terrorists should be called an ISLAMIC MURDERER ACTING ALONE.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2015, 02:07:44 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2015, 02:11:51 PM » |
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That's almost funny. Do I understand. Nice attempt. Run the numbers and then tell me autos aren't more dangerous. Tools, please look it up. While almost any tool can be used to kill, maim and injure, it's not the tool that is to blame. While you're at it, do a little reading and try to understand why our forefathers put the gun thing in our constitution. Those dangers are still present and the reasons are still valid. These terrorists also built (though unsuccessfully) pipe bombs. Let's also out law plumbing and remote controls to include cell phones. Obama still wants to bring in 10,000 more refugees. I know hard core Dems who are embarrassed to admit they voted for that socialist/progressive idiot. They should be. |
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 02:22:23 PM » |
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That's almost funny. Do I understand. Nice attempt. Run the numbers and then tell me autos aren't more dangerous. Tools, please looks it up. While almost any tool can be used to kill, maim and injure, it's not the tool that is to blame. While you're at it, do a little reading and try to understand why our forefathers put the gun thing in our constitution. Those dangers are still present and the reasons are still valid. These terrorists also built (though unsuccessfully) pipe bombs. Let's also out law plumbing and remote controls to include cell phones. Obama still wants to bring in 10,000 more refugees. I know hard core Dems who are embarrassed to admit they voted for that socialist/progressive idiot. They should be. It's funny. I've spent this past week with my four grandsons, having some crazy conversations. This is alot like that.... |
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3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.
1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968
400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.
Not taking any time to research, but I would guess if you changed the word "killed" for the word "murdered" those numbers would change drastically. Except for the number murderd by terrorists.
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Not taking any time to research, but I would guess if you changed the word "killed" for the word "murdered" those numbers would change drastically.
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I am more worried about the number of folks who die in hospitals and from doctors going WHOOPSIE Why do so many men die before their wives? Because they can Yet we dont ban wives, so far, well except for Jess in Va because they WANT to dan |
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I am more worried about the number of folks who die in hospitals and from doctors going WHOOPSIE Why do so many men die before their wives? Because they can Yet we dont ban wives, so far, well except for Jess in Va I'm going to share that one with my wife.... |
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Not taking any time to research, but I would guess if you changed the word "killed" for the word "murdered" those numbers would change drastically.
Over 60% of the annual total of "gun deaths" are from suicides, which the left conveniently add in to fluff up their numbers. Their numbers also include justifiable defensive firearms use as well most of the time. Do you feel the suicides shouldn't be counted as deaths ? |
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Not taking any time to research, but I would guess if you changed the word "killed" for the word "murdered" those numbers would change drastically.
Over 60% of the annual total of "gun deaths" are from suicides, which the left conveniently add in to fluff up their numbers. Their numbers also include justifiable defensive firearms use as well most of the time. Do you feel the suicides shouldn't be counted as deaths ? Not for the purposes of gun violence statistics. Those who want to punch out early will always find a way. Liberals would also have to look in to banning knives, pills, ice picks, shards of glass, tall buildings and bridges, etc., etc., etc.. |
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Not taking any time to research, but I would guess if you changed the word "killed" for the word "murdered" those numbers would change drastically.
Over 60% of the annual total of "gun deaths" are from suicides, which the left conveniently add in to fluff up their numbers. Their numbers also include justifiable defensive firearms use as well most of the time. Do you feel the suicides shouldn't be counted as deaths ? Not for the purposes of gun violence statistics. Those who want to punch out early will always find a way. Liberals would also have to look in to banning knives, pills, ice picks, shards of glass, tall buildings and bridges, etc., etc., etc.. Yes I understand that. But how is it not a gun death ? I don't think anybody is saying that all the gun deaths are preventable. |
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Yet we don't ban wives, so far, well except for Jess in Va I'm not for banning wives. I had two (not at the same time). I just don't want another one. Obviously some people have good marriages. God bless them, each and every one. A guy comes up to me laying in the street beside by bike. He asks.... have an accident?I reply.... no thanks, I just had one. That's how I feel about another wife.
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They end up dead, alright! Just like many perps who try to break into legal gun owners' homes.  I'm certainly not worried about someone committing suicide, or someone protecting their home or self by taking out the bad guy. Adding those numbers to increase gun death statistics is deceptive at best. Just saying. |
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They end up dead, alright! Just like many perps who try to break into legal gun owners' homes. I'm certainly not worried about someone committing suicide, or someone protecting their home or self by taking out the bad guy. Adding those numbers to increase gun death statistics is deceptive at best. Just saying. I guess we are looking at gun deaths differently. To me it is all deaths by guns whether justified or not. |
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They end up dead, alright! Just like many perps who try to break into legal gun owners' homes. I'm certainly not worried about someone committing suicide, or someone protecting their home or self by taking out the bad guy. Adding those numbers to increase gun death statistics is deceptive at best. Just saying. I guess we are looking at gun deaths differently. To me it is all deaths by guns whether justified or not. Because they use those stats to try to limit gun sales, to reduce murder. They add in deaths, where a bad guy is shot by a good guy, to limit sales to good guys! |
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They end up dead, alright! Just like many perps who try to break into legal gun owners' homes. I'm certainly not worried about someone committing suicide, or someone protecting their home or self by taking out the bad guy. Adding those numbers to increase gun death statistics is deceptive at best. Just saying. I guess we are looking at gun deaths differently. To me it is all deaths by guns whether justified or not. Because they use those stats to try to limit gun sales, to reduce murder. They add in deaths, where a bad guy is shot by a good guy, to limit sales to good guys! I've never seen that anywhere. Source? |
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3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.
1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968
400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.
400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001
My pistol jumped out of my night stand drawer the other night and headed out the door screaming I was built to kill people and damnit I am gonna do my job all by myself with no help from human hands I can do this by myself. Oh wait I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident about three years ago. I must have been dreaming |
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I was wondering how your pant legs are? Statistic, interesting word, reminds me back when I took a statistics class, first day seemed like it was going to be a challenging class. After about the third of fourth class, I couldn't take it any more, I just started to pack up my stuff. When I stood up and began to leave, the teacher made kind of a wise ass remake to me. I then replied, that I am withdrawing from the class, because I thought it was the most useless, deceitful, brain washing, piece of trash, anyone has ever devised, and I walked out. That is why every time I hear people use the word "statistically" it just wants to make me barf. Because I know it starts with bullsh*t and it ends up in chaos. Just one big used car salesmen, trying to sell manure. By the way, why are they being so hesitant to show pictures of those two terrorist partnership?
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I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.
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