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Man-o-man. This is going to be interesting to see what is said about Obama's tears.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2016, 09:25:05 AM » |
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I wonder if he bit his lip, like Clinton, to get those tears?
I wish he showed 1/2 the passion to go after Radical Islamists, that he shows towards law abiding citizens.
And, MSNBC is going on and on about his passion and his tears. {puke}
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 09:25:58 AM » |
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I thought you had a tear in the seat when I saw the thread title
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I thought you had a tear in the seat when I saw the thread title
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 10:34:59 AM » |
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Usually don't post on the political threads but do read them and have no problem with them in the general
forum. January 20th 2017 can not come quick enough, I just pray the helm is not turned over to The
Hildabeast. Having said that I believe the tears were genuine. It's just a shame he has none of that emotion for the 57,762,169 abortions that have destroyed the lives of unborn children.
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Isn't this the same asshole who called John Boner the "Weeper of the House"
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 10:44:59 AM » |
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Man-o-man. This is going to be interesting to see what is said about Obama's tears.
He should get equal to what Boehner got over his tears, no? My 2 cents...... Why no tears, not even any words, nothing, regarding the innocent child deaths in his "hometown" of Chicago? Why nothing about gun control after the assassination of a 9-year-old boy to send his gang banging father a message?? Those killings outnumber the ones he keeps mentioning by 100:1. And nothing within his orders will do anything about it. I guess that's why his tears are selective. |
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Not an Obama fan.............but he is my president. I rarely post, but I do drop in to see what's happening from time to time, especially when it comes to 2nd Amendment Rights. As a gun owner and a member of the "party of no", I find it hard to believe that some Americans actually believe that our President should take the hard line of "tough s*#$, it's all Americans rights to own and bear arms, and albeit tragic..................these things will happen!" I realize that he bypassed congressional review, but my "party of no" made it abundantly clear, they would pass nothing. I also realize, that this heightened background checks would probably have done nothing to have stopped the senseless slayings.
With that said, I thought Obama took the highest road possible. Fox news is touting this as a prelude to total confiscation...........let the conspiracy begin. I can't count the times I have attended local gun shows with my guns, for either appraisal or trade, only to be encountered by attendee offering me big money. Felons and/or mentally impaired are allowed to attend these shows, and I want no part of making a transaction not knowing whose hands I am putting my gun in. Bring on tighter policies, or better yet, enforce the law we have on the books now!
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 01:58:12 PM » |
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Not an Obama fan.............but he is my president. I rarely post, but I do drop in to see what's happening from time to time, especially when it comes to 2nd Amendment Rights. As a gun owner and a member of the "party of no", I find it hard to believe that some Americans actually believe that our President should take the hard line of "tough s*#$, it's all Americans rights to own and bear arms, and albeit tragic..................these things will happen!" I realize that he bypassed congressional review, but my "party of no" made it abundantly clear, they would pass nothing. I also realize, that this heightened background checks would probably have done nothing to have stopped the senseless slayings.
With that said, I thought Obama took the highest road possible. Fox news is touting this as a prelude to total confiscation...........let the conspiracy begin. I can't count the times I have attended local gun shows with my guns, for either appraisal or trade, only to be encountered by attendee offering me big money. Felons and/or mentally impaired are allowed to attend these shows, and I want no part of making a transaction not knowing whose hands I am putting my gun in. Bring on tighter policies, or better yet, enforce the law we have on the books now!
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 04:00:37 PM » |
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I just can't believe that anyone thinks this will prevent gun violence. Criminals are not going to a gun shop to buy a gun. To me it's another in-your-face power show!
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I just can't believe that anyone thinks this will prevent gun violence. Criminals are not going to a gun shop to buy a gun. To me it's another in-your-face power show!
Nope, nothing will change. Criminals will continue to het their guns from other criminals and innocent people will still be robbed and shot. But lets make it a little harder for those innocents to protect themselves. Only thing I goot out of all this is anyone in the business of selling firearms must be a FFL holder and do the proper paperwork (4473). Sounds like it may be shot down if they pull all the funding to make this happen. |
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Man-o-man. This is going to be interesting to see what is said about Obama's tears.
He should get equal to what Boehner got over his tears, no? My 2 cents...... Why no tears, not even any words, nothing, regarding the innocent child deaths in his "hometown" of Chicago? Why nothing about gun control after the assassination of a 9-year-old boy to send his gang banging father a message?? Those killings outnumber the ones he keeps mentioning by 100:1. And nothing within his orders will do anything about it. I guess that's why his tears are selective. Come on G-Man. He is the ex-community organizer from Chicago not an actor from Hollywood.  |
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he's crying using great hollywood special effects, about the little kids gun downed at the Gun Free zone school, by a doctor prescribed prescription drug induced teenager who killed his mother and stole her legally obtained guns. his new rules which will be used for confiscation in the future, would have done nothing for that event. He is following the UN dictator agenda to control ALL gun ownership in the world. http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/column/2012-06-06.htmlall part of the Earth Charter which he has been following since he got into office. The America people need to wake up before its too late if not already. :'( :'( :'( http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2000/sept00/psrsept00.html |
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Not an Obama fan.............but he is my president. I rarely post, but I do drop in to see what's happening from time to time, especially when it comes to 2nd Amendment Rights. As a gun owner and a member of the "party of no", I find it hard to believe that some Americans actually believe that our President should take the hard line of "tough s*#$, it's all Americans rights to own and bear arms, and albeit tragic..................these things will happen!" I realize that he bypassed congressional review, but my "party of no" made it abundantly clear, they would pass nothing. I also realize, that this heightened background checks would probably have done nothing to have stopped the senseless slayings.
With that said, I thought Obama took the highest road possible. Fox news is touting this as a prelude to total confiscation...........let the conspiracy begin. I can't count the times I have attended local gun shows with my guns, for either appraisal or trade, only to be encountered by attendee offering me big money. Felons and/or mentally impaired are allowed to attend these shows, and I want no part of making a transaction not knowing whose hands I am putting my gun in. Bring on tighter policies, or better yet, enforce the law we have on the books now!
So there is agreement that the enhanced background checks would have done nothing to stop the senseless violence and would simply saddle the law abiding folks with even more hurdles. Why wouldn't you say "NO" to such an asinine approach? The 800# gorrilla in the room isn't the continuing infringing on the 2nd Amendment, it is the use of Executive orders, particularly the illegitimate use of them when they infringe upon enumerated Constitutional protections and government restrictions. If this President can use Executive Orders to infringe on a time honored ENUMERATED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT like the 2nd amendment, the next President can surely infringe or even ban non-enumerated "rights" like abortion via Executive Order. The lack of foresight of this administration is appalling. The idea that Obama took "the highest road possible" is not at all true. He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means. All we see from this administration is political theater and rarely anything that actually is substantive or sustainable. Is this going to lead to massive gun confiscation? Not in and of itself. But it will change the standard a little bit. Once everyone is used to the new standard they take it a little bit farther. The process repeats and like the frog in the pot we will soon see the pot boiling and it will be to late. We'll be cooked. |
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. |
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Tears of narcissism.... This is about me, and my stage, and my presidency and greatness, look at my pain, I weep for my people, aren't I awesome?
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. What do you think he did after Sandy Hook, Colorado, Minneapolis and the countless others? |
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No legislation will ever change the dark side of human nature (and we already have thousands of gun laws).
Good (and intelligent) people arm themselves against the dark side of human nature.
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. What do you think he did after Sandy Hook, Colorado, Minneapolis and the countless others? Continued to propose new laws that would not pass Constitutional muster and have absolutely no effect on the kind of criminal violence that had occurred but would affect the law abiding non criminal folks. |
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. What do you think he did after Sandy Hook, Colorado, Minneapolis and the countless others? Continued to propose new laws that would not pass Constitutional muster and have absolutely no effect on the kind of criminal violence that had occurred but would affect the law abiding non criminal folks. He implored Congress to find solutions to the problems, but was fought at every turn. He has had absolutely zero cooperation, which leads us to today. These executive orders will not magically fix the problem, but give the man credit for trying to do something. What ideas do you have? |
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Credit for trying to do something..........HMMMM?..... Change the Constitution by him self?
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. What do you think he did after Sandy Hook, Colorado, Minneapolis and the countless others? Continued to propose new laws that would not pass Constitutional muster and have absolutely no effect on the kind of criminal violence that had occurred but would affect the law abiding non criminal folks. He implored Congress to find solutions to the problems, but was fought at every turn. He has had absolutely zero cooperation, which leads us to today. These executive orders will not magically fix the problem, but give the man credit for trying to do something. What ideas do you have? I have listed my ideas a number of times, and you ignore them. Instead of reducing prosecutions of gun law violations by 35% over the last 10 years, INCREASE them. Go after the true straw buyer sellers. 10 years in prison mandatory for knowingly being a straw man. Increase mandatory sentences for USING a gun in a crime. Stop gun free zones. Allow licensed carry permitees to carry essentially everywhere. Stop the patchwork of laws between states and cities, that make it impossible for CCW to know where they are legal, and not legal. Make CCW uniform across states and cities. I do agree with increased funding for mental health, and with the NRA, who has been calling for more complete reporting of adjudicated mental problems to authorities for years, and continue to do so. Stop the prosecution of inadvertant violations of gun laws by citizens. We should put gun training back into schools in the US. Lots used to in the 40's and 50's. Train the kids to responsibily use guns. Very few who are trained and schooled in the proper use of guns, go onto commit crimes with them. We need a national adult training program, that, upon completion, would issue licenses akin to a Natl CCW, allowing carry essentially everywhere. If a criminal KNEW, that no matter where he went, that 20-25% of the people in EACH LOCATION was carrying, and trained in use, crime would dramatically decrease. When the President comes out, and uses Australia and Great Britian as examples of what to do, he is advocating confiscation of essentially all guns. Then, when some lesser proposal comes out, no wonder gun rights advocates fight it, as all credibility is lost when the President says he does not want to take your guns. As a cultural thing, we must increase the number of married couples, rather than single parentship. Most crimes are committed by gangs and members in the "hood". The vast majority of these come from single parent households. We must reverse this culture of "victimhood". When we allow anyone to be a "victim", they then feel they are free to do what they want to, as society has "victimized" them. Personal responsibility MUST return. Every problem is NOT someone elses fault. One of the orders going out now, puts Drs. into the loop, asking patients about gun ownership. WTH? California now has a law that if a relative or someone just says you are a threat, the cops can come and take your guns! No due process, NOTHING! So there, baldo, actions I would like that would reduce gun crime. I see none of these taking place, as Liberals do not trust citizens with guns. They are always calling for disarmament and victimhood. Prove me wrong. |
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MP, I'm not ignoring you. If I responded to every post, I'd never get anything done. And to be honest, many times I don't because it just gets all dragged out and frankly, I get tired of posting the same things over and over.
You have some good points here.
--I agree that existing laws need to be enforced vigorously. A big problem is the legal system that lets violent offenders off with minimums, but imprison minor offenders with big sentences. Another big problem is prison over-crowding. Too many people are in for minor drug offenses for pot. And there's also the private prison controversy.
--The uniform CCW is also a good idea, as long as the standards are kept high and adhered to. That was part of the issue with the recent action by McAuliffe in VA. He felt that the states that he blocked were too 'liberal' in granting permits.
--By inadvertent gun violations, what do you mean? The irresponsible gun owner that leaves his handgun out for a 3 yr old to find? I think that guy should be prosecuted to the absolute fullest.
--I don't agree with gun training in schools. It's a different world now, from the 40's and 50's.
--I don't know the details about the medical community being involved, but as far as mental health issues, who else is going to make the determination? I think asking someone with suspected mental health problems, if they have access to guns, is absolutely the right call. Why in the hell wouldn't you want to know that? Anyone that can kill innocent people indiscriminately is definitely a head case. Make sure they can't get their hands on a gun.
--As far as cultural issues, how would you propose that to happen? How would you reduce the "culture of victimization"? We can all agree that 'most' crime is related to money. Simplistic, I know. But if people had jobs that paid a real wage, I'd venture to guess that a huge percent of them wouldn't do the crime. Now you're bumping into the corporate greed issue, shipping jobs overseas for example.
--A national adult training program. It sounds suspiciously like put more guns out there. Not a fan.
--You bring up Australia and England. I've read quite a few articles that say it's worked, I have to believe it would. Fewer guns mean fewer crimes. Yes, I know the 'criminals will always have guns' argument. But large problems are never solved overnight, or in one step. Don't take that as me saying the US should do the same, I don't think it could happen here.
Alright, those are my thoughts in response to your post. Again, I'm not ignoring you. There are some definite good points here, but it gets old dealing with the Americuh crowd.
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Obama is mad. So he's directs his anger at law abiding Americans by infringing on their rights. And people like you applaud him.
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2016, 06:29:30 AM » |
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It gets old dealing with the Caniduh mentality, too. If less legally purchased guns are out there, more legal citizens will be defenseless when illegal guns are used against them.
Obama is mad. So he's directs his anger at law abiding Americans by infringing on their rights. And people like you applaud him.
I applaud him because he's TRYING to fix a problem that Congress blocks at every turn. Yes, he's pissed. I'm pissed. YOU should be pissed when 26 1st graders are massacred. YOU should be pissed when some asshole opens fire in a school, in a theater, in a university lecture hall. YOU should be pissed when all these things happen, but the NRA and their lobbyists buy members of Congress to block ANY attempt to rein it in. Where in the hell do you start? |
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2016, 06:35:46 AM » |
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It gets old dealing with the Caniduh mentality, too. If less legally purchased guns are out there, more legal citizens will be defenseless when illegal guns are used against them.
Obama is mad. So he's directs his anger at law abiding Americans by infringing on their rights. And people like you applaud him.
I applaud him because he's TRYING to fix a problem that Congress blocks at every turn. Yes, he's pissed. I'm pissed. YOU should be pissed when 26 1st graders are massacred. YOU should be pissed when some asshole opens fire in a school, in a theater, in a university lecture hall. YOU should be pissed when all these things happen, but the NRA and their lobbyists buy members of Congress to block ANY attempt to rein it in. Where in the hell do you start? I AM passed, at the mental nutcases that perpetrate these awful crimes. So, where in the hell do we start? Why, with law abiding American citizens, of course!  Do you really buy into this? |
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2016, 06:37:59 AM » |
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--By inadvertent gun violations, what do you mean? The irresponsible gun owner that leaves his handgun out for a 3 yr old to find? I think that guy should be prosecuted to the absolute fullest.
The current gun laws are incredibly arbitrary and frankly quite silly. I have multiple firearms in my safes right now that I could, if I didn't know any better, swap parts between in a matter of seconds and be committing a federal felony by doing so. Under rulings by the ATF, someone who's collecting the parts to build their own firearms can easily, by buying the parts in the wrong order and having in their possession the wrong parts at the wrong time, be committing a federal felony. I have several firearms that I've had to replace the original parts with inferior quality American made parts because the firearm must under US Code section 922(r) contain a specific quantity of US made parts, or... I'd be committing a federal felony. I've got a pistol that, depending on which decision you're reading from the ATF, if I were to bring it up to my shoulder and fire it like a rifle, without making ANY changes to the firearm at all, I would be committing a federal felony.  Small example of what I'm talking about in this image. The above firearm is a pistol, no special licensing required. The bottom one is a short barreled rifle. The only difference is the buttstock and the paperwork. If I were to legally build or buy the pistol, the put a simple buttstock on it without the proper paperwork..... federal felony. I spend countless hours learning about the intricacies of the law to make sure I stay legal. But it's ridiculous that anyone should have to do that. It's gotten to the point where the laws are so numerous and ridiculous the only explanation one can come to is that the laws are there to form a minefield to discourage legal gun ownership or to have the legal ability to trip up a legal gunowner with a "Gotcha!" whenever they chose. So yeah, I roll my eyes whenever someone proposes more gun laws. There are way too many as it is. --I don't know the details about the medical community being involved, but as far as mental health issues, who else is going to make the determination? I think asking someone with suspected mental health problems, if they have access to guns, is absolutely the right call. Why in the hell wouldn't you want to know that? Anyone that can kill innocent people indiscriminately is definitely a head case. Make sure they can't get their hands on a gun.
Law of unintended consequences. People who really do need the help will avoid getting it now because they don't want to get on a government prohibited persons list. This will do the opposite of helping. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2016, 06:38:55 AM » |
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It gets old dealing with the Caniduh mentality, too. If less legally purchased guns are out there, more legal citizens will be defenseless when illegal guns are used against them.
Obama is mad. So he's directs his anger at law abiding Americans by infringing on their rights. And people like you applaud him.
And don't be slamming the Canadians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0isFjaXFUMhttp://www.memecenter.com/search/canada |
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