Police Body Camera, Excellent reaction!!!

[Rams]

If you had any doubts about police wearing body cameras, watch this.


 It takes place in an Applebee’s Restaurant, Palestine, TX, where the male officer wearing the
 camera approaches a theft suspect in the restroom of the restaurant
 and asks him to step outside. The male officer leads the suspect outside
while a female officer escorts the suspect from behind.

 Once outside, the suspect pulls a gun and the male officer does what he is
 trained to do.

 Police involved shooting - you won't see this on the news

 This is just what survival shooting instructors in the Army taught
 almost 50 years ago, you shoot and you keep shooting until you have
 neutralized the threat.

Timed, he gets off 13 shots in five seconds, hand as steady as
a rock.

12 of the shots hit the perp. This shows the value of officer worn
video cameras. This video shows just how fast it can happen out there.

I don't think the female officer ever got a round off. If you don't want to see
a perp getting what is coming to him, don't watch. It's a


https://www.full30.com/vide...1ffd94?ref%C3%B530fb

Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.

[da prez]

  Page will not come up. I want to see.

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[DirtyDan]

http://abc7.com/news/texas-police-release-video-of-fatal-shooting/825513/

this link should work

dan

[Rams]

  Page will not come up. I want to see.

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Works for me but, try this: https://www.full30.com/video/dc1c563aa6b106f252dfe6a9d91ffd94?ref%C3%B530fb or Dirty Dan's link.

[Serk]

He dindu nuffin! He was a good boy, he was turning his life around! He was trying to turn that gun in to the police on his way to church!

[DirtyDan]

2nd link works Rams

guy got what was coming to him

dan

[Hook#3287]

Suicide by cop

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Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?

[DirtyDan]

Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?

to avoid a scene ....... didn't work

dan

[G-Man]

Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?

Great Point !!!

[..]

Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?

to avoid a scene ....... didn't work

dan

For the sake of a pair of cuffs I guess the guy died.

[G-Man]

I agree with the body cameras.

With that said:

Greenburgh, NY (my town) will be the first town to have the police wear the cameras.  To outfit 60 officers with cameras will cost $240,000.  That's $4,000 per camera/officer.

A little expensive, no?  Top of the line GoPro is $400 retail.  I know there's more to it, not that much more.

[Serk]

I agree with the body cameras.

With that said:

Greenburgh, NY (my town) will be the first town to have the police wear the cameras.  To outfit 60 officers with cameras will cost $240,000.  That's $4,000 per camera/officer.

A little expensive, no?  Top of the line GoPro is $400 retail.  I know there's more to it, not that much more.

Does that price include the equipment to charge/store/download and most importantly, securely archive the video footage? It will take a LOT of storage if they want to keep all the video footage around for any length of time, and that kind of long term secure storage can get very pricy.

[DirtyDan]

IMHO long term storage would not be needed

if nothing big happens on the officers shift then no need to store it

if something does happen then save THAT footage

just me

dan

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IMHO long term storage would not be needed

if nothing big happens on the officers shift then no need to store it

if something does happen then save THAT footage

just me

dan

But there is always a chance that something will be captured that is discovered to be relevant later on. A murder suspect claiming to be at point A when in fact he's clearly seen at Point B on video recorded by an officer cam.

[DirtyDan]

shouda woulda coulda

sure we could get all big brother about it

or NOT

cameras job to protect officers and publics safety

so if shift ends well then that should be it

or we can film and save everything

less is more

dan

[Mr Whiskey]

"During the later investigation, the weapon was determined to be a B.B. gun.
He had recently divorced, been laid from of his job and was battling alcohol abuse."

Suicide by cop

Agreed, he made that choice.

For the sake of a pair of cuffs I guess the guy died.

He could jus' as easily have said "officers I have a weapon" & put his hands slowly on top of his head, while he was still in the restroom.

[Rams]

As I said before.

Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.

[G-Man]

I agree with the body cameras.

With that said:

Greenburgh, NY (my town) will be the first town to have the police wear the cameras.  To outfit 60 officers with cameras will cost $240,000.  That's $4,000 per camera/officer.

A little expensive, no?  Top of the line GoPro is $400 retail.  I know there's more to it, not that much more.

Does that price include the equipment to charge/store/download and most importantly, securely archive the video footage? It will take a LOT of storage if they want to keep all the video footage around for any length of time, and that kind of long term secure storage can get very pricy.

Are the body cams on from the time the officer starts the shift until the end of the sift?  Or do they turn them on when confronting the public and then off when all is clear?  If it's the latter, would cut down on amount needed to be stored.  Still sounds a lot per camera.  Who knows?

[old2soon]

I've been fortunate to be on some ride alongs with various L E Os I've known over the years. NOT 2nd guessing here BUT shouldn't he have been frisked and cuffed PRIOR to exiting the rest room? I was NOT there and the camera sowed zackly WHAT went down and the perp was getting his weapon out shortly after clearing the entry way. The L E Os did NOT know it was not a real pistol. And I DO understand shooting up a threat til it's no longer a threat. I M H O-IF they are sued it may be for blown procedure. RIDE SAFE.

[Bighead]

Happened in May and this is the first we have heard of it. I maybe should have been cuffed but man got what was deserved BB gun or not and his family probably sees it the same as they stated they don't know why he would act this way.

[cookiedough]

Happened in May and this is the first we have heard of it. I maybe should have been cuffed but man got what was deserved BB gun or not and his family probably sees it the same as they stated they don't know why he would act this way.

Police did not follow protocol friskng him first.  Alcohol, loosing your job and wife, all at the same time can make anyone do crazy things.  I think a tad excessive shooting that many times, but better than being dead themselves being the police.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Looked to me like the shoot was fine. Would have been way worse if it happened in the bathroom.

That being said, I think it was an obvious suicide by cop. The guy broke away, stopped, and raised his gun from perhaps the only safe direction the officers could have fired towards. From his smile in the bathroom and his actions when they exited the building, I'd say he got what he wanted. Personally, I feed bad for the cop, who shot quite well I thought. As long as the guy was still holding a gun, the LEO needed to keep shooting to protect himself, the other officer and the bystanders who were behind him and in the criminals line of fire.

[JimC]

First off, great job by the cop!

Second:
I know it won't matter to the cop haters on the board, but the cop was investigating a theft and it was probably something that happened there, or near by. That means that it was most likely a misdemeanor, no need to take someone into custody for a minor theft.

It looked to me like all they were doing was trying to ID the guy, and you do not do that in a public rest room, or a busy restaurant, you do it in private, or the POLITICALLY CORRECT POLICE will bite you in the ass if you are wrong.

In 26 years as a cop, I investigated hundreds of theft situations just like that with nothing more than a municipal citation issued. If you locked someone up every time you investigated misdemeanors, you would never be on the street.

Jim

[DirtyDan]

let me ask you as a cop....

should the guy have been searched/cleared/made safe right there before he was walked out ?

dan

[RP#62]

Although the number of shots seems excessive, you keep shooting until the threat is no longer a threat.  Even with a heart/lung shot, the perp has another 30 or 40 seconds and if they've got a gun or knife, they only need half that to take you out before they go.

-RP

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First off, great job by the cop!

Second:
I know it won't matter to the cop haters on the board, but the cop was investigating a theft and it was probably something that happened there, or near by. That means that it was most likely a misdemeanor, no need to take someone into custody for a minor theft.

It looked to me like all they were doing was trying to ID the guy, and you do not do that in a public rest room, or a busy restaurant, you do it in private, or the POLITICALLY CORRECT POLICE will bite you in the ass if you are wrong.

In 26 years as a cop, I investigated hundreds of theft situations just like that with nothing more than a municipal citation issued. If you locked someone up every time you investigated misdemeanors, you would never be on the street.

Jim

If you happen to think I'm a "cop hater" you sir are so completely wrong.

As to cuffing the guy in the small rest room  with no one else there isn't that the most private it could have been?

[Serk]

Happened in May and this is the first we have heard of it.

The video was released many months ago, I remember seeing it back then from some gun groups I'm in.

As to cuffing the guy in the small rest room  with no one else there isn't that the most private it could have been?

Not if they were going to take him outside, in cuffs, through a busy restaurant. This wasn't a felony apprehension, he was being cited for shop lifting some beer from the Wal Mart across the parking lot (The Applebees is in the Walmart parking lot)

I'd hate to see it get to the point that we get frisked and cuffed for every interaction with the cops, all the way down to a performance driving certificate.

[Rams]

let me ask you as a cop....

should the guy have been searched/cleared/made safe right there before he was walked out ?

dan

Let me ask you, did the perp give the LEOs any reason to suspect he was going to go crazy once he got out in the parking lot?   

[cookiedough]

let me ask you as a cop....

should the guy have been searched/cleared/made safe right there before he was walked out ?

dan

Let me ask you, did the perp give the LEOs any reason to suspect he was going to go crazy once he got out in the parking lot?   

Of course he did,  pulling a handgun on them and sort of pointing it in their direction.  I think the guy at that moment in his life wanted to die and thus the reason he sort of pointed that BB gun at them, or at least in their direction knowing full well that his BB gun would not do any damage to them but instead make the cops shoot him dead.  Just a guess?  Either that, or he was plain nuts. 

[Rams]

let me ask you as a cop....

should the guy have been searched/cleared/made safe right there before he was walked out ?

dan

Let me ask you, did the perp give the LEOs any reason to suspect he was going to go crazy once he got out in the parking lot?   

Of course he did,  pulling a handgun on them and sort of pointing it in their direction.  I think the guy at that moment in his life wanted to die and thus the reason he sort of pointed that BB gun at them, or at least in their direction knowing full well that his BB gun would not do any damage to them but instead make the cops shoot him dead.  Just a guess?  Either that, or he was plain nuts. 

Cookie,
Read what was quoted, my response was to about what happened in the rest room.   That's why it was quoted.   

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Happened in May and this is the first we have heard of it.

The video was released many months ago, I remember seeing it back then from some gun groups I'm in.

As to cuffing the guy in the small rest room  with no one else there isn't that the most private it could have been?

Not if they were going to take him outside, in cuffs, through a busy restaurant. This wasn't a felony apprehension, he was being cited for shop lifting some beer from the Wal Mart across the parking lot (The Applebees is in the Walmart parking lot)

I'd hate to see it get to the point that we get frisked and cuffed for every interaction with the cops, all the way down to a performance driving certificate.

I thought it was a fairly common practice for cops to cuff some traffic stops?

As to the Wal Mart thing I had no idea.

[JimC]

I thought it was a fairly common practice for cops to cuff some traffic stops?

That is because you get your idea of police work from the TV and movies.

Yes, they can frisk and hold someone they are questioning, but only with cause to believe they are in danger if they don't. THEN, they have to be able to articulate why they did so, or again, the politically correct police will have their ass. WQhat would lead you to believe that the cop was in danger with the interaction in the restroom?

That situation in the beginning was no more than a speeding ticket, identify him, issue him a citation, tell him he was no longer allowed in the place of business, and release him, PERIOD.  You expect him to be frisked and cuffed?  Again, if it was to happen like you believe, there would be nothing but lawsuits.
That scenario is played out hundreds of times a day in a large city without injury or death to anyone.

That is exactly why being a cop today is a no win career, especially in a large metropolitan area.

As to the Wal Mart thing I had no idea.

But yet you throw your opinion out there.

Jim

[Willow]

Happened in May and this is the first we have heard of it.

The video was released many months ago, I remember seeing it back then from some gun groups I'm in.

As to cuffing the guy in the small rest room  with no one else there isn't that the most private it could have been?

Not if they were going to take him outside, in cuffs, through a busy restaurant. This wasn't a felony apprehension, he was being cited for shop lifting some beer from the Wal Mart across the parking lot (The Applebees is in the Walmart parking lot)

I'd hate to see it get to the point that we get frisked and cuffed for every interaction with the cops, all the way down to a performance driving certificate.

I thought it was a fairly common practice for cops to cuff some traffic stops?

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Only you, Paul.  The rest of us tend to get a free ride.   

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But yet you throw your opinion out there.

Jim

I posted a question expecting a normal response which is not what I got from you.

"Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?"

Your reading, comprehension and manners need to be improved. That's the last I'll ever read from you.

[98valk]

But yet you throw your opinion out there.

Jim

I posted a question expecting a normal response which is not what I got from you.

"Why not cuff the suspect in the restroom where he's got nowhere to run and the threat to other civilians is minimal?"

Your reading, comprehension and manners need to be improved. That's the last I'll ever read from you.

I agree, they cuffed OJ outside his house when they first arrived, and he wasn't even a suspect at that time.

there has been too , too many incidents where it seems the cops are poorly trained except to pull the gun and start pulling the trigger.

how the cops who shot the kid, killed him who was in the park with a toy gun? the dumb cops had the protection of the police car for a shield, but no they run towards the kid yelling the kid not understanding turns around they see GUN, and they fire away. just disgusting!!

[JimC]

I agree, they cuffed OJ outside his house when they first arrived, and he wasn't even a suspect at that time.

Think about that statement,
Murder suspect vs. shoplifting ?  In my mind they are quite different situations?

how the cops who shot the kid, killed him who was in the park with a toy gun? the dumb cops had the protection of the police car for a shield, but no they run towards the kid yelling the kid not understanding turns around they see GUN, and they fire away. just disgusting!!

Quite easy to second guess, I am going to go back to my other remark, being a cop today is not worth it due to that type of response or mindset.

Jim

I 

[DirtyDan]

I thought it was a fairly common practice for cops to cuff some traffic stops?

That is because you get your idea of police work from the TV and movies.

Yes, they can frisk and hold someone they are questioning, but only with cause to believe they are in danger if they don't. THEN, they have to be able to articulate why they did so, or again, the politically correct police will have their ass. WQhat would lead you to believe that the cop was in danger with the interaction in the restroom?

That situation in the beginning was no more than a speeding ticket, identify him, issue him a citation, tell him he was no longer allowed in the place of business, and release him, PERIOD.  You expect him to be frisked and cuffed?  Again, if it was to happen like you believe, there would be nothing but lawsuits.
That scenario is played out hundreds of times a day in a large city without injury or death to anyone.

That is exactly why being a cop today is a no win career, especially in a large metropolitan area.

As to the Wal Mart thing I had no idea.

But yet you throw your opinion out there.

Jim

I believe it was a yes or no question

was that yes or no

3 or 2 letters

yeah um ok only from television....um NO

any idea how many family members I have in law enforcement ? NO

any idea how many friends I have in law enforcement ? NO

any idea how many neighbors I have in law enforcement ? NO

for the record ive got a colorful driving history easy 200 stops in 12 states and two countries and im still standing. as a free man so I must be doing something right

so lets keep it simple

should he have been checked in that bathroom ?

press one for yes

press two for no

yes or no's very basic too our legal system

we can take it from there

dan

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For JimC

I asked a civil question.

You as an ex LEO could have responded with courtesy, experience and knowledge.

An opportunity to be an ambassador for yourself and fellow LEO's retired or serving.

I had clearly stated I'm not a cop hater.

Yet you chose to, with thinly veiled verbal aggression, attack me. Now because I'm NOT a cop hater I will NOT assume that your behavior is atypical of all LEO's.

I have however learnt that your behavior in this thread is typical of you.

EDIT.

I asked 2 questions. The second being

As to cuffing the guy in the small rest room  with no one else there isn't that the most private it could have been?

That squiggly thing at the end of a sentence is a question mark.

[Popeye]

 I hope all cops get a body camera.   I have a son who is a cop as well as my goddaughters husband.

I think the guy got what he deserved.  He pulled a gun.  He probably should have been cuffed in the restroom but for whatever reason, he was not.